A new book on the UFO, Alien Hoax

[AN2]

That's what I find talking to Irish people about this, they are quite happy saying that aliens don't exist

Why would anyone say that?

and the 'first contact' won't happen. But the preparation that has already gone into this hoax is incredible, the chances that they will back down and not go for this I think is zero, but its hard to know when!

Anyway its good that people think that way, they are obviously right but need to stick with it no matter whats thrown at all of us in the next few years.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

That's what I find talking to Irish people about this, they are quite happy saying that aliens don't exist and the 'first contact' won't happen. But the preparation that has already gone into this hoax is incredible, the chances that they will back down and not go for this I think is zero, but its hard to know when! Anyway its good that people think that way, they are obviously right but need to stick with it no matter whats thrown at all of us in the next few years.

Why is it that folk don't believe in aliens but do believe in a human rising from the dead Sir?

 

[AN2]

I don't think @scolairebocht takes questions

 

[AN2]

To be quite honest, I think that if you can't answer straightforward questions about what you're saying it makes you pretty fake & gay

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Its terribly unfortunate Bocht won't take questions as I don't believe him to be a bigot like Tiger.

However he's as 'far out' as Tiger if not more so.

 

[scolairebocht]

Well the Resurrection is certainly well authenticated, by the four Evangelists and also the Jewish source, Flavius Josephus:

"At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good, and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive; accordingly, he was perhaps the Messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders. ...

After the death of the procurator Festus, when Albinus was about to succeed him, the high-priest Ananius considered it a favorable opportunity to assemble the Sanhedrin. He therefore caused James the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, and several others, to appear before this hastily assembled council, and pronounced upon them the sentence of death by stoning. All the wise men and strict observers of the law who were at Jerusalem expressed their disapprobation of this act...Some even went to Albinus himself, who had departed to Alexandria, to bring this breach of the law under his observation, and to inform him that Ananius had acted illegally in assembling the Sanhedrin..."

 

[AN2]

Well the Resurrection is certainly well authenticated, by the four Evangelists and also the Jewish source, Flavius Josephus:

"At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good, and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive; accordingly, he was perhaps the Messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders. ...

After the death of the procurator Festus, when Albinus was about to succeed him, the high-priest Ananius considered it a favorable opportunity to assemble the Sanhedrin. He therefore caused James the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, and several others, to appear before this hastily assembled council, and pronounced upon them the sentence of death by stoning. All the wise men and strict observers of the law who were at Jerusalem expressed their disapprobation of this act...Some even went to Albinus himself, who had departed to Alexandria, to bring this breach of the law under his observation, and to inform him that Ananius had acted illegally in assembling the Sanhedrin..."

How is - "Aliens don't exist" well authenticated?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Well the Resurrection is certainly well authenticated.

C'mon man. You don't really believe that do you?

 

[scolairebocht]

I certainly do!

 

[AN2]

I certainly do!

Why do you assert that aliens don't exist? Can you just say because your religion, ditto @Tiger, you pair of f*cking nincompoops?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Sparks please give Bocht some respect. I read a book once that suggested Shakespeare was from Kildare.

I said this to Bocht and it turned out he was the author!

 

[Tiger]

A Review of Daniel O'Connor, The First and Last Deception (Rensselaer, New York, 2025).

This book follows on from his 2023 work, Only Man Bears His Image, and the author, who is a former engineer (including in quantum physics) but now teaches philosophy and is an expert in same and theology, is certainly the greatest authority on the subject of the Alien Hoax now living.

To begin with a couple of negatives, perversely because this is a great and important book! He ends in the Appendices by giving a number of enticing references to his 2023 work, which is fair enough because he is clearly the only person who has written about this extensively, but it might have helped to summarise a little of what he said in that work there, rather than have the reader thinking that he needs to get the earlier book as well.

The second criticism I would add is on the overall question of people who claim to have seen or experienced, alien craft or abductions etc. Because there is obviously no such thing as UFOs or extra terrestrial aliens whatsoever, which of course he rightly states and proves, these therefore require some explanation and I think its fair to say that he answers that in about four ways:
– Some are making it up, and for example present no proof at all.
– Some are mistaking other phenomenon for UFO sightings, e.g. advanced classified government technology.
– Some are encouraged to make up these experiences by psychiatrists, and related practitioners, who are implanting false memories in their patients.
– Some are seeing demons disguised as UFOs.
That last one is quite an interesting take on this, and he does indeed point the reader towards extensive evidence that this is true, UFO sightings that vanished at Christian exhortations or Holy Water etc. This then is his main explanation for those who seem to be telling the truth about their experiences, a category that he does acknowledge.

Where I would differ from him, and criticise this a little, is that I would add another category. I would say the Alien Hoax is driven by very powerful Occult groups out there (and in practice he does say that when it comes to the media, especially Hollywood, and unfortunately even including Church experts and channels) who are very well connected into the military and intelligence apparatuses of many governments, especially the US, and who are deliberately hoaxing these phenomenon. In otherwords yes, these people did see what looked totally like an alien craft in the sky or whatever, because actually a government or Occult group agency deliberately created a hologram (or real aircraft) that looks exactly like a real spaceship. There are even CIA documents out now that show that agency deliberately creating 'alien abductions' in South America ( https://www.thepulse.one/p/some-ufo-abductions-were-simulated ). So hence some people have very real 'UFO' experiences, but don't understand that these are elaborate hoaxes by very powerful government bodies, and this category O'Connor does not seem to explore at all.

At any rate this is an extensive work which would be impossible even to summarise in this short review, but suffice it to say that it is utterly incredible the degree to which the Alien Hoax is embraced and driven by the Occult world, and anti-Christian forces in general. Thats where they all hang out, if you want to meet your friendly local Satanist get down to the nearest UFO research gathering, because its awesome the links between the two. This also goes back centuries, if not millennia, with anti-Christian heresies (like what Giordano Bruno embraced) or personalities, like Voltaire, or even other religions (like Buddhism, which is big into the Alien Hoax and also is exceptionally anti-Christian and Occult like) etc etc. A related hoax/heresy is where they claim that AI, Artificial Intelligence, is going to become human like in its embrace of intelligence, so creating a kind of Deus ex machina, another Occult dream.

In any case rather than re-narrate this extensive book I will just add my take on where this is heading. I think the very powerful Occult groups, (Occultism is the religion of the Globalists, NOT Judaism, although some Occultists claim to be Jewish, like the Rothschilds) have an agenda of seeking to bring about the Apocalyptic 'End Times', with the Anti-Christ etc, and are moving our modern day society towards that goal. Crazy as it sounds, they believe in these Bible prophecies but nonetheless look upon Lucifer as the hero of that story, and hence want to bring it about. This view, incidentally, is not that far from where this book is coming from, O'Connor talks a lot about the 'End Times', although he is not referring there to the literal end of the world, only to the reign of the Anti-Christ etc.

Anyway the point is that these Globalists seem to be trying to bring about a world government, a totalitarian government, meaning it is to be an horrific dictatorship, and are latching onto issues or movements or just hoaxes that further this end. For example the climate change hoax is driving us towards a type of world government structure trading in carbon credits, but also bearing down on individuals and companies causing them to be almost conscious of how much they breathe. The last pandemic has settled into a world wide agreement to hand over power in that area exclusively to the WHO (taking out the discretion of the governments of nation states) and the totalitarian aspect of this area was obviously seen only a few years ago. Anyway there are numerous such fields where you can see this pattern developing.

But if Daniel O'Connor is right, that the 'End Times' type scenario is relevant here, then you have to add in a new element. That new element is that this future (and its not that far away) totalitarian world government will also compel its citizens to worship Lucifer. (Yes, its bats, I agree, but don't shoot the messenger here, is not as if I am in favour of it!) How are they going to do that, I hear you ask? Well thats the story of this book, it seems that the Occultists are gathering their forces over the next hill to ambush us all on this subject. They are about to launch their attack on an unsuspecting world public, with probably Covid style media and state brainwashing. However they are going to charge behind a shield wall. They are not going to call themselves Luciferians, they are simply going to launch the Alien Hoax in a big way, the 'First Contact'. That in turn is designed to crush or usurp Christianity (they are going to say that even Marian Apparitions are actually alien visitations) and slowly seep into the popular consciousness the Occult philosophies.

George Orwell said that "if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever," and that I think is what the Globalists have in mind for us all, unless they are stopped!

by Brian Nugent, http://www.orwellianireland.com

I’ve started his older book - ‘Only Man Bears His Image’ - it’s very interesting so far. Very well researched.

 

[AN2]

Here's the lesson to be learned:

@scolairebocht and @Tiger both assert that aliens don't exist anywhere in the Universe (which they think is a little bit bigger than their back garden) because their religion, at least one of them will tell you that he thinks that the Universe is only thousands of years old (the other won't say)

Why would you listen to anything either of them have to say about science or believe that either of them left school after the age of twelve?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

I agree its hard to listen to such nonsense. However I think Bocht is a good man and so is Tiger (if a little deranged).

Take what they say with a pinch of salt Sir.

 

[AN2]

I’ve started his older book - ‘Only Man Bears His Image’ - it’s very interesting so far. Very well researched.

Tiger "Read a book!" Tiger

This is the only sort of crap he's ever read

Deary me

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Please Sir, tone down the hostile rhetoric.

 

[AN2]

I personally find it tragic, really

There is so much to learn about the world but when religion/indoctrination takes hold of your life you spend all of it doing the equivalent of those kids in videos we see bobbing their heads back and forth in madrasas

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

What I don't get is why Tiger despises people of the same faith as him: other Christians.

Isn't that bizarre?

 

[Tiger]

What I don't get is why Tiger despises people of the same faith as him: other Christians.

Isn't that bizarre?

I don’t despise anyone Myles.

Please refrain from making shit up.

 

[Declan]

Sparks please give Bocht some respect. I read a book once that suggested Shakespeare was from Kildare.

I said this to Bocht and it turned out he was the author!

Fortunately you figured that out or you would have thought that double the number believed it(joke)

 

[Declan]

Scientists baffled by object spotted hurtling towards our solar system

Harvard physicist Avi Loeb revealed that the object is expected to approach Earth on December 17, speeding through the solar system at more than 41 miles per second (roughly 150,000 miles per hour).

www.dailymail.co.uk

Here it comes, just as predicted. 12 miles across and maybe a billion trebles in it.

 

[Hermit]

Scientists baffled by object spotted hurtling towards our solar system

Harvard physicist Avi Loeb revealed that the object is expected to approach Earth on December 17, speeding through the solar system at more than 41 miles per second (roughly 150,000 miles per hour).

www.dailymail.co.uk

Here it comes, just as predicted. 12 miles across and maybe a billion trebles in it.

Harvard physicist Avi Loeb

Abraham "Avi" Loeb (Hebrew: אברהם (אבי) לייב; born February 26, 1962) is an Israeli and American theoretical physicist who works on astrophysics and cosmology.

In 2023, he claimed to have recovered material from an interstellar meteor that could be evidence of an alien starship,[8] which some experts criticized as hasty and sensational,[9][10] and other experts showed that Loeb mistook ordinary truck traffic for a seismic evidence of the meteor, causing him to look hundreds of miles in the wrong direction.[11]

In 2024, Loeb delivered a speech in which he declared his view that the Messiah will be an alien who arrives from outer space.[40]

 

[Mad as Fish]

Should read -

Ordinary punters baffled by latest heap of crap from scientists.

 

[AN2]

Should read -

Ordinary punters baffled by latest heap of crap from scientists.

What's baffling or a heap of crap about it?

 

[Mad as Fish]

What's baffling or a heap of crap about it?

I'd let you in on it if I had the days to spare.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

C'mon man. You don't really believe that do you?

It is better authenticated than a lot of events in Antiquity.

Also the fact that what critical scholars call the "Jesus Sect" did not wither up and die after Our Lord's murder is also strong evidence for it.

 

[AN2]

I'd let you in on it if I had the days to spare.

So you're full of shit

 

[SwordOfStZip]

I don’t despise anyone Myles.

Even Jambo?

 

[AN2]

It is better authenticated than a lot of events in Antiquity.

Do you find an interstellar object discovered travelling through our solar system - baffling and a heap of crap from scientists?

 

[Mad as Fish]

Po

So you're full of shit

Possibly, but then I also have a job, you should try it sometime, you might get more respect that way.

 

[Anderson]

C'mon man. You don't really believe that do you?

Why wouldnt it be true?

 

[AN2]

Po

Possibly, but then I also have a job, you should try it sometime, you might get more respect that way.

There's a job for people as angry and stupid as you are?

 

[Hermit]

What's baffling or a heap of crap about it?

Scientists baffled by 'interstellar object' spotted hurtling towards our solar system

Loeb believes A11pl3Z could be a large space rock or a comet, but astronomers are still figuring that out.

If A11pl3Z is a space rock

Scientists believe A11pl3Z is 12 miles long

Scientists believe the object comes from a source outside our solar system

Like Oumuamua in 2017, A11pl3Z could soon start stirring more speculation that the object is man-made and sent here from another solar system with intelligent life.

This image is what was actually viewed from the observatory:

Also, LOL at this:

'It was inferred to have a disk-like shape and to exhibit non-gravitational acceleration, raising the possibility of an artificial origin,' Loeb wrote in an article on Medium Wednesday.

 

[Anderson]

Recently read this book, wroth reading, the same guy who wrote The Martian.

Its also been picked up for a holywood film due for release next year.

Project Hail Mary​

Project Hail Mary: A Novel : Weir, Andy: Amazon.ie: Books

Project Hail Mary: A Novel : Weir, Andy: Amazon.ie: Books

www.amazon.ie

View: https://youtu.be/m08TxIsFTRI

 

[AN2]

This image is what was actually viewed from the observatory:

View attachment 7822

Also, LOL at this:

The first two things to say about this are;

1. 'Baffled' is a word taken from a Daily Mail headline

2. Who cares what one scientist you're quoting has to say

 

[AN2]

This image is what was actually viewed from the observatory:

View attachment 7822

Also, LOL at this:

When you quote the way you do, the text doesn't get included in the reply

And I have absolutely no idea what any of you are complaining about.. and none of you can say

 

[AN2]

Recently read this book, wroth reading, the same guy who wrote The Martian.

Its also been picked up for a holywood film due for release next year.

Project Hail Mary​

View attachment 7823​

Project Hail Mary: A Novel : Weir, Andy: Amazon.ie: Books

Project Hail Mary: A Novel : Weir, Andy: Amazon.ie: Books

www.amazon.ie

View: https://youtu.be/m08TxIsFTRI

Loeb believes A11pl3Z could be a large space rock or a comet, but astronomers are still figuring that out.

If A11pl3Z is a space rock

Literally your quote above explains your (six word) quote below it

Comets and "space rocks" are (compositionally) different

Scientists believe A11pl3Z is 12 miles long

And?

Scientists believe the object comes from a source outside our solar system

Because they have reason to

Like Oumuamua in 2017, A11pl3Z could soon start stirring more speculation that the object is man-made and sent here from another solar system with intelligent life.

So?

Edit: This was meant to be a reply to @Hermit

 

[Hermit]

When you quote the way you do, the text doesn't get included in the reply

What do you mean? Are you referring to Anderson's post which you quoted which I then quoted, not appearing in my post? If so, that's because there isn't nested quoting here.

And I have absolutely no idea what any of you are complaining about.. and none of you can say

I'm not complaining. Space news like this is highly amusing to me.

"and none of you can say" - say what?

So?

I bolded words like "believe", "if", "speculation" to highlight that they are just making shit up, they don't know anything. They saw a spec of light in the sky through a telescope and have extrapolated from that all sorts of speculative stories about it being a rock, aliens, or man-made (despite coming from space where man does not exist).

 

[AN2]

What do you mean? Are you referring to Anderson's post which you quoted which I then quoted, not appearing in my post? If so, that's because there isn't nested quoting here.

Click Reply to your own post and you should be able to see what I mean, did that ever occur to you, no?

 

[AN2]

I'm not complaining. Space news like this is highly amusing to me.

lol You're a flat-earther for crying out loud, you are in no position to say anything about science

I bolded words like "believe", "if", "speculation"

Yeah, I know, which I ignored, because that's just your dumb shtick.. You're so clueless that you don't even know what you're clueless about

to highlight that they are just making shit up,

But they aren't

they don't know anything.

They know infinitely more than you because you're an abject science illiterate pathological conspiracy theorist who doesn't know or understand anything about science or indeed reality

They saw a spec of light in the sky through a telescope and have extrapolated from that all sorts of speculative stories about it being a rock, aliens, or man-made (despite coming from space where man does not exist).

No, they've discovered an object travelling through the solar system which is of interstellar origin, one of only three discovered, and that's enough to make it a story