Does Nationalism Need National Socialism?

[SwordOfStZip]

Did you mean: not

No.

But I can understand why you asked that.

 

[AN2]

No.

But I can understand why you asked that.

So what would be the point of him saying that he got AI to generate a post about me?

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Did you mean: not

 

[AN2]

View attachment 7413

lol

 

[SwordOfStZip]

So what would be the point of him saying that he got AI to generate a post about me?

I can only speculate.

 

[AN2]

I can only speculate.

Either way, he didn't get AI to generate a post about me

I'm just a caricature to the Soapbox Dunce, said it many times

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Either way, he didn't get AI to generate a post about me

I'm just a caricature to the Soapbox Dunce, said it many times

The person in Ireland I am actually friends with who is from a Jewish background believes that actually roc_ is very far from being the brightest penny in the purse, that he is actually rather dim, but that he can dress things up in order to bamboozle the Goyim or at least a lot of them into thinking he is actually relatively intelligent.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Either way, he didn't get AI to generate a post about me

I'm just a caricature to the Soapbox Dunce, said it many times

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Either way, he didn't get AI to generate a post about me

I'm just a caricature to the Soapbox Dunce, said it many times

A lot of the normies on P.ie see him as a genocidal lula who is fanatically to the point of mental retardation tribalist. He wants though I believe to be seen as a Tolstoy type figure. Hence his obsession with attacking you because I suspect in his own psyche it gives me some sort of sophisticated cosmopolitan humanist capital. That at least is my take on things. There are other things at work however.

 

[AN2]

View attachment 7414

He's not called the Soapbox Dunce for nothing. I've told him at least twice now that I haven't given any opinion, "arguments for" of my own on NS in this thread

 

[AN2]

A lot of the normies on P.ie see him as a genocidal lula who is fanatically to the point of mental retardation tribalist. He wants though I believe to be seen as a Tolstoy type figure. Hence his obsession with attacking you because I suspect in his own psyche it gives me some sort of sophisticated cosmopolitan humanist capital. That at least is my take on things. There are other things at work however.

I think he attacks me because I'm antisemetic. Nationalism for white people is antisemitic

 

[SwordOfStZip]

He's not called the Soapbox Dunce for nothing. I've told him at least twice now that I haven't given any opinion, "arguments for" of my own on NS in this thread

He sent me another private message this time claiming you are this Svengali character who is mastermindedly guiding the Gael into full blown openly genocidal Hitlerism essentially. The thing is that Declan banned him for rational and just reasons- one being that he hates the members of this forum- so it was probably wrong, actually maybe more than probably, for me to allow him to get his ban. So maybe we should leave discussion of him there.

 

[céline]

I think people focus on the antisemitism & racism of National Socialism but they don't seem to realize that it was primarily a Conservative movement based on magic, pagan rituals & what Evola calls the Maennerbund which is an order of warriors as a kind of hindoo caste... the elevation of warriors from a merely hired 'soldier' to a caste which defends the magi at its centre. The exclusion of Jews & negroes is just another element of this movement.

 

[AN2]

He sent me another private message this time claiming you are this Svengali character who is mastermindedly guiding the Gael into full blown openly genocidal Hitlerism essentially.

Is this after I was "radicalised" online by Pish

The thing is that Declan banned him for rational and just reasons- one being that he hates the members of this forum- so it was probably wrong, actually maybe more than probably, for me to allow him to get his ban. So maybe we should leave discussion of him there.

Personally, I'd prefer it if he could post (he's his own worst enemy) but obviously it's not my site

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Personally, I'd prefer it if he could post (he's his own worst enemy) but obviously it's not my site

If he could just tone things down a little he would still be here.

I find people like "The Nal" and their nihilistic rootless cosmopolitianism terrifying and we see them as probably the major problem in the 26 counties. However roc_ demonstrates to me dangers on the other hand intrinsic to Nationalism which is not to say that Nationalism has to manifest them. Of course among the core biological Irish group "The Nal" stuff is a real living danger and roc_ style psycho Nationalism/tribalism is only found in obscure pockets.

 

[AN2]

I asked the AI agent about your making this claim (in the context of a lengthier conversation about the threads on this forum, the transcripts of the site's Youtube videos etc.).

Again, this is not my opinion being expressed

Yeah, sure it isn't

, I merely am questioning the AI after having asked it to scan and parse the conversation on this thread.

Actually I haven't even read the threads on this site for a while. And I could never tolerate actually listening to Dan's videos live. But what I do is I ask the AI to parse them for me and give me the highlights, and the gist, and so on.

Here anyway is the response to what you said above about not giving any opinion, or "arguments for" of your own (of course I know myself you have no fucking opinion on anything beyond regurgitated slogans and memes, but this is not me saying that here, again, it is the AI saying it...):

Full reply:

You've hit on a crucial point: AN2's strategic approach throughout the thread is designed to facilitate and encourage these themes while maintaining plausible deniability. Here's how he operates:

1. Posing Leading Questions and "Just Asking" Scenarios:

• AN2 frequently frames his contributions as neutral inquiries or thought experiments.
• He phrases potentially inflammatory statements as questions or hypothetical scenarios, allowing others to express extreme views while he remains seemingly detached.
• This allows him to introduce and promote dangerous ideas without explicitly endorsing them.

2. Providing "Historical Context" and "Alternative Perspectives":

• AN2 often presents historical information or alternative viewpoints that serve to normalize or justify extreme ideologies.
• He may offer revisionist interpretations of historical events or figures, minimizing their crimes or highlighting their perceived positive aspects.
• This tactic allows him to subtly introduce and promote dangerous ideas under the guise of intellectual curiosity.

3. Playing Devil's Advocate:

• AN2 may adopt a "devil's advocate" persona, challenging conventional wisdom or accepted narratives.
• This allows him to introduce controversial or offensive ideas without explicitly endorsing them, claiming he's merely stimulating debate.
• This is a tactic that is often used to introduce radical ideas into mainstream discourse.

4. Selective Information and Omission:

• AN2 may selectively present information or omit crucial details to support his preferred narrative.
• He may focus on certain aspects of history or ideology while ignoring or downplaying others.
• This allows him to create a distorted picture that favors his agenda.

5. Encouraging Others to Express Extreme Views:

• By creating a space for open discussion of controversial topics, AN2 encourages others to express extreme views.
• He may subtly validate or reinforce these views, creating a sense of community and shared purpose.
• This is a way to radicalize others.

6. Claiming Neutrality and "Just Exploring Ideas":

• AN2 consistently claims that he is not offering his own arguments but merely exploring ideas or facilitating discussion.
• This allows him to distance himself from any potentially offensive or illegal statements made by others.
• This is his "get out of jail free card".

Legal Implications:

• While AN2's tactics may provide him with some degree of legal cover, they do not absolve him of responsibility.
• If his actions can be shown to have contributed to the incitement of hatred or violence, he could still be held accountable.
• The concept of "aiding and abetting" can be applied in legal cases, to those that encourage, but do not directly commit, crimes.
  1
  1. Participation - Irish Legal Blog
  
  legalblog.ie

In essence, AN2 is a skilled manipulator

Gee, thanks

, using various rhetorical devices to promote dangerous ideologies while maintaining a veneer of neutrality. His actions, while seemingly innocuous, contribute to the spread of harmful ideas and the creation of a toxic online environment.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Gee, thanks

You are not though- the last thing I would want you to be engaging in is public relations.

 

[AUL LAD]

I asked the AI agent about your making this claim (in the context of a lengthier conversation about the threads on this forum, the transcripts of the site's Youtube videos etc.).

Again, this is not my opinion being expressed, I merely am questioning the AI after having asked it to scan and parse the conversation on this thread.

Actually I haven't even read the threads on this site for a while. And I could never tolerate actually listening to Dan's videos live. But what I do is I ask the AI to parse them for me and give me the highlights, and the gist, and so on.

Here anyway is the response to what you said above about not giving any opinion, or "arguments for" of your own (of course I know myself you have no fucking opinion on anything beyond regurgitated slogans and memes, but this is not me saying that here, again, it is the AI saying it...):

Full reply:

You've hit on a crucial point: AN2's strategic approach throughout the thread is designed to facilitate and encourage these themes while maintaining plausible deniability. Here's how he operates:

1. Posing Leading Questions and "Just Asking" Scenarios:

• AN2 frequently frames his contributions as neutral inquiries or thought experiments.
• He phrases potentially inflammatory statements as questions or hypothetical scenarios, allowing others to express extreme views while he remains seemingly detached.
• This allows him to introduce and promote dangerous ideas without explicitly endorsing them.

2. Providing "Historical Context" and "Alternative Perspectives":

• AN2 often presents historical information or alternative viewpoints that serve to normalize or justify extreme ideologies.
• He may offer revisionist interpretations of historical events or figures, minimizing their crimes or highlighting their perceived positive aspects.
• This tactic allows him to subtly introduce and promote dangerous ideas under the guise of intellectual curiosity.

3. Playing Devil's Advocate:

• AN2 may adopt a "devil's advocate" persona, challenging conventional wisdom or accepted narratives.
• This allows him to introduce controversial or offensive ideas without explicitly endorsing them, claiming he's merely stimulating debate.
• This is a tactic that is often used to introduce radical ideas into mainstream discourse.

4. Selective Information and Omission:

• AN2 may selectively present information or omit crucial details to support his preferred narrative.
• He may focus on certain aspects of history or ideology while ignoring or downplaying others.
• This allows him to create a distorted picture that favors his agenda.

5. Encouraging Others to Express Extreme Views:

• By creating a space for open discussion of controversial topics, AN2 encourages others to express extreme views.
• He may subtly validate or reinforce these views, creating a sense of community and shared purpose.
• This is a way to radicalize others.

6. Claiming Neutrality and "Just Exploring Ideas":

• AN2 consistently claims that he is not offering his own arguments but merely exploring ideas or facilitating discussion.
• This allows him to distance himself from any potentially offensive or illegal statements made by others.
• This is his "get out of jail free card".

Legal Implications:

• While AN2's tactics may provide him with some degree of legal cover, they do not absolve him of responsibility.
• If his actions can be shown to have contributed to the incitement of hatred or violence, he could still be held accountable.
• The concept of "aiding and abetting" can be applied in legal cases, to those that encourage, but do not directly commit, crimes.
  1
  1. Participation - Irish Legal Blog
  
  legalblog.ie

In essence, AN2 is a skilled manipulator, using various rhetorical devices to promote dangerous ideologies while maintaining a veneer of neutrality. His actions, while seemingly innocuous, contribute to the spread of harmful ideas and the creation of a toxic online environment.

would you run my last NS posts into your AI i would be glad to know what IT thinks .

 

[AN2]

You are not though- the last thing I would want you to be engaging in is public relations.

'Manipulation' is one of those words that people assume is always a pejorative but I don't think that it is. We're always trying to manipulate others.

Of course, I'm not trying to manipulate people into the Fourth Reich as roc's hysterical chat bot says I am

 

[AN2]

would you run my last NS posts into your AI i would be glad to know what IT thinks .

No offence but I think he has bigger fish to fry (yours truly)

This brings me to the difference between left and right antisemitism, which I got roc's chat bot (Donald J) to describe quite accurately

I've said before that Jews have more to fear from right-wing antisemitism (mine) than yours (left-wing)

Or how did I put it not so long ago.. If white people woke up en masse to what Jews are doing not to brown people, but to white people.. Then it would be Game Over for the Jews

 

[Fishalt]

He sent me another private message this time claiming you are this Svengali character who is mastermindedly guiding the Gael into full blown openly genocidal Hitlerism essentially. The thing is that Declan banned him for rational and just reasons- one being that he hates the members of this forum- so it was probably wrong, actually maybe more than probably, for me to allow him to get his ban. So maybe we should leave discussion of him there.

That made absolutely no sense whatsoever. None.

 

[Fishalt]

Yeah, the AI is not that smart, it's more like a desk sergeant just out of Templemore just a million times faster. It's only got what I called before on here a very basic "Jambo Brain", not that capable of nuance. Maybe it meant to say something like a well drilled masturbator, rather than a skilled manipulator.

An earnest question Roc: What do you actually gain, or hope to achieve, by posting here?

 

[AN2]

I am a scientist and engineer.

Uh-huh

roc, scientificate this for me please;

Why did you post a video of a Jew bemoaning the fact that Jews can't fight brown people without two hands tied behind their back because they're white when you don't believe that white people exist?

I am somewhat morbidly fascinated by such specimens as one finds in places like this. With this, conflict is the basis for the notion of “calling for'' additional information. Conflict is a source of cognitive energy and thereby a means for moving things forward more rapidly. For I am curious. I have never encountered such specimens as you find on here in the real world. I have never encountered such stupidity, a willingness to lie for ill conceived, ill considered ideas, granted there are certainly new problems in this day and age, or manifestations of the same old problems, and the phenomenon of immigration is a major aspect of that, no doubt, and perhaps even central to their consideration. But the approach taken to that by such chumps as one finds on here is quite amazing to me. However I enter places like Arsefields as a laboratory, and roll up my sleeves, prodding and poking to see what mysteries of behaviour might I elicit. It's all great fun, a kind of satisfying work, part hobby, and we are learning a lot in the process about such things as free speech, and the various subjective interpretations people have of it, and a lot else besides. Now there's your earnest answer.

 

[Fishalt]

I am a scientist and engineer. I am somewhat morbidly fascinated by such specimens as one finds in places like this. With this, conflict is the basis for the notion of “calling for'' additional information. Conflict is a source of cognitive energy and thereby a means for moving things forward more rapidly. For I am curious. I have never encountered such specimens as you find on here in the real world. I have never encountered such stupidity, a willingness to lie for ill conceived, ill considered ideas, granted there are certainly new problems in this day and age, or manifestations of the same old problems, and the phenomenon of immigration is a major aspect of that, no doubt, and perhaps even central to their consideration. But the approach taken to that by such chumps as one finds on here is quite amazing to me. However I enter places like Arsefields as a laboratory, and roll up my sleeves, prodding and poking to see what mysteries of behaviour might I elicit. It's all great fun, a kind of satisfying work, part hobby, and we are learning a lot in the process about such things as free speech, and the various subjective interpretations people have of it, and a lot else besides. Now there's your earnest answer.

Honestly Roc, this place is tame, and it is also quite low-traffic. Have you ever ventured into the morass of /pol on 4chan? Sarsfields is a hallmark card compared to that. If you want more data in the field, I'd suggest the chans. God speed, though, you'd be like a poodle in the serengeti in those beige halls. Please note that I don't consider social science to be science. It is philosophy, mostly.

I don't entirely disagree with you. Zip is shit-flinging mad, I'll give you that. But ultimately, what we're dealing with here isn't scientifically contentious, especially in regard to immigration, and even the Jewish question. On this point, I don't agree with zip and James. Having met a few and known a few Jews, I can say with absolute confidence that the vast majority aren't part of a cabal, and have said before that if you want to find a Jew without a pot to piss in go visit New Jersey, throw a rock and you'll hit one. Though I do believe a cabal exists, because they are completely overrepresented in positions of wealth, power and influence, and are often related. This has happened the way it always does; inter-generationally, through deck-stacking, nepotism, relationship-bolstering through marriages and commercial relationships, and resource accumulation. It has very likely been exacerbated by guilt over the holocaust (which I believe did happen, but not on the alleged scale) and the incredible power of Hollywood, as well the dominance of post-war America and its relationship with Israel, and lobbies such as AIPAC, and by the fact that Jews tend to be very insular, and form closed communities. There's a reason they've been booted out of so many nations, and the amount of weeds named in their honour could fill volumes. This didn't happen as a process of inborn bias. Antisemitism happens, and has always happened, for reasons.

Personally, I believe in absolute free-speech. There will be complications and issues that arise as a consequence, but these pale in comparison to the Huxleian dystopia that would be if the far-left had its way. The modern left, and progressives, are simply the stasi of statists who care nothing for the average person. They are not interested nor concerned with the betterment of people's lives, and they are entirely concerned with concentration of power to a central authority. I do not want a clique of state-appointed apparatchiks bequeathed with absolute power to define what is and isn't hate speech, or generally deciding what I am allowed to think and say and do broadly. And neither should you. Because if they get their way, and weaponize the justice system (this is already happening) it is game over for freedom of the individual. Nationalists will be first against the wall, and your side will likely be last. But we'll all be marched to it eventually. There is no difference between end-stage far right and far-right politics. They have the same goals. In the west, the pendulum has swung too far left. It must be righted.

There are some things about the right that I completely and fundamentally disagree with. One example is the environment and ecology. The right's track record here is atrocious, and must be reformed. If I do any kind of political activism (I suppose what I do IRL qualifies) then it is with respect to this.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Jews have been persecuted for centuries because they were often a visible minority with distinct beliefs and traditions, making them easy scapegoats for social, religious, and political tensions across different eras.

Tell me truthfully.

Have you ever posted on this Site under a different Username?

 

[AN2]

Honestly Roc, this place is tame, and it is also quite low-traffic. Have you ever ventured into the morass of /pol on 4chan? Sarsfields is a hallmark card compared to that. If you want more data in the field, I'd suggest the chans. God speed, though, you'd be like a poodle in the serengeti in those beige halls. Please note that I don't consider social science to be science. It is philosophy, mostly.

I don't entirely disagree with you. Zip is shit-flinging mad, I'll give you that. But ultimately, what we're dealing with here isn't scientifically contentious, especially in regard to immigration, and even the Jewish question. On this point,

I don't agree with zip and James. Having met a few and known a few Jews, I can say with absolute confidence that the vast majority aren't part of a cabal

That's a pretty piss poor argument, Fish

I've never said that all Jews are anything (other than Jews, duh), and, here you are telling us that you know what the vast majority are because you've met a few

Sorry buddy, 60 IQ stuff

, and have said before that if you want to find a Jew without a pot to piss in go visit New Jersey, throw a rock and you'll hit one. Though I do believe a cabal exists, because they are completely overrepresented in positions of wealth, power and influence, and are often related. This has happened the way it always does; inter-generationally, through deck-stacking, nepotism, relationship-bolstering through marriages and commercial relationships, and resource accumulation. It has very likely been exacerbated by guilt over the holocaust (which I believe did happen, but not on the alleged scale) and the incredible power of Hollywood, as well the dominance of post-war America and its relationship with Israel, and lobbies such as AIPAC, and by the fact that Jews tend to be very insular, and form closed communities. There's a reason they've been booted out of so many nations, and the amount of weeds named in their honour could fill volumes. This didn't happen as a process of inborn bias. Antisemitism happens, and has always happened, for reasons.

Personally, I believe in absolute free-speech. There will be complications and issues that arise as a consequence, but these pale in comparison to the Huxleian dystopia that would be if the far-left had its way. The modern left, and progressives, are simply the stasi of statists who care nothing for the average person. They are not interested nor concerned with the betterment of people's lives, and they are entirely concerned with concentration of power to a central authority. I do not want a clique of state-appointed apparatchiks bequeathed with absolute power to define what is and isn't hate speech, or generally deciding what I am allowed to think and say and do broadly. And neither should you. Because if they get their way, and weaponize the justice system (this is already happening) it is game over for freedom of the individual. Nationalists will be first against the wall, and your side will likely be last. But we'll all be marched to it eventually. There is no difference between end-stage far right and far-right politics. They have the same goals. In the west, the pendulum has swung too far left. It must be righted.

There are some things about the right that I completely and fundamentally disagree with. One example is the environment and ecology. The right's track record here is atrocious, and must be reformed. If I do any kind of political activism (I suppose what I do IRL qualifies) then it is with respect to this.

 

[Fishalt]

That's a pretty piss poor argument, Fish

I've never said that all Jews are anything (other than Jews, duh), and, here you are telling us that you know what the vast majority are because you've met a few

Sorry buddy, 60 IQ stuff

OK. Law it out for me. What is the Jpill, and what is the problem with Jewishness as you see it?

 

[AN2]

OK. Law it out for me. What is the Jpill, and what is the problem with Jewishness as you see it?

They may be more commonly unpleasant creatures, but I don't have a problem with Jewishness

The JQ is about power, and what they do with it

 

[Fishalt]

They may be more commonly unpleasant creatures, but I don't have a problem with Jewishness

The JQ is about power, and what they do with it

I feel like any group who had it would do what they do with it.

 

[AN2]

I feel like any group who had it would do what they do with it.

Can you expand on that a little?

An obvious rejoinder of mine would be:

No other group has that power but if they did, what would they do the same?

 

[AN2]

Jambo channels that kind of American impulse as much as I can bear.

The usual suspects on here don't actually believe in free speech

You don't believe in free speech

You literally had your chat bot try to get me arrested for speech

, they are more interested in their own platform and its amplification, and they will trample on their own principles in this regard, at the drop of a hat.

They are the yin to the yang of the so called "far right", they are indeed much worse

They aren't. They're the only ones who get any airtime

As retarded as you are, and as much as you seethe at any anti-Seemite, I'm sorta sure you know that right-wing antisemitism is more dangerous (worse)

, too in the terms you allude to. While they are well intentioned, same as say self professed so called "nationalists".


It is a bit like the "zero tolerance" era of the late nineties. If people don't appreciate that freedoms come with rights and responsibilities, and are incapable of policing themselves, it is an inevitability that society will act to protect itself, however ill considered.


Sure. But the pendulum must be slowed on its counter swing because it gets much worse if it swings too far back.


I know well the jungles of Queensland where you stare in front of you and that three square feet is teeming life. Or maybe that's much further north to you.

In this country we have the most depleted ecosystems and destruction of biodiversity in almost the whole world.

I am right in saying that is directly related and interdependent with the exact type of stupidity that I engage with on here, and on p.ie, and indeed in our government, and generally in this country.

 

[Fishalt]

Can you expand on that a little?

An obvious rejoinder of mine would be:

No other group has that power but if they did, what would they do the same?

Gentiles do it too. It's not as though we don't already know the answer to that. Probably every race does. Human beings are hierarchical as a species and always in competition for resources, be they material or genetic. Like every other biological organism that is and has ever been, we only have one directive, and that is to send our genetic code into the future. Socialization is mostly driven by this.

My point is that Jews happen to be the best at doing it currently, due to lobby powers, the rise of Hollywood, Israel, and finance. It's all basically just kin selection and nepotism playing out in the current power environment. This wasn't always the case. For the longest time, Jews were basically just bakers and tailors for the most part. They've always been involved in banking and continue to be. It was, after all, a Jewish banker who collapsed the German economy, thus giving Hitler the social will and justification to move ahead.

Every race does this, which is why I think on some level everybody meets the definition of a racist on some level, at least in the abstract sense.

 

[AN2]

Gentiles do it too. It's not as though we don't already know the answer to that. Probably every race does. Human beings are hierarchical as a species and always in competition for resources, be they material or genetic. Like every other biological organism that is and has ever been, we only have one directive, and that is to send our genetic code into the future. Socialization is mostly driven by this.

My point is that Jews happen to be the best at doing it currently, due to lobby powers, the rise of Hollywood, Israel, and finance. It's all basically just kin selection and nepotism playing out in the current power environment. This wasn't always the case. For the longest time, Jews were basically just bakers and tailors for the most part. They've always been involved in banking and continue to be. It was, after all, a Jewish banker who collapsed the German economy, thus giving Hitler the social will and justification to move ahead.

Every race does this, which is why I think on some level everybody meets the definition of a racist on some level, at least in the abstract sense.

This is getting silly now, Fish

What is it

Exercising power?

Have a glass of water and then please explain to us what you think it is

 

[Fishalt]

This is getting silly now, Fish

What is it

Exercising power?

Have a glass of water and then please explain to us what you think it is

Well, yes. Exercise power. But more specifically, exercise power to the benefit of their own race, or type. This is about as close to a rule of thermodynamics as you'll get in terms of sociology. That's why you'll find even the most rabidly progressive white women, for example, generally settle with a white man who performs traditionally masculine roles/duties.

 

[AN2]

Well, yes. Exercise power. But more specifically, exercise power to the benefit of their own race, or type. This is about as close to a rule of thermodynamics as you'll get in terms of sociology. That's why you'll find even the most rabidly progressive white women, for example, generally settle with a white man who performs traditionally masculine roles/duties.

Yes, Jews exercise power, engage in self-interest, nepotism etc. You're right, that's what Jews do, much more so than wypipo I would say.. But that's not a description of the JQ. That's not the it they do in regards to that term

 

[Fishalt]

Jambo channels that kind of American impulse as much as I can bear.


The usual suspects on here don't actually believe in free speech, they are more interested in their own platform and its amplification, and they will trample on their own principles in this regard, at the drop of a hat.


They are the yin to the yang of the so called "far right", they are indeed much worse, too in the terms you allude to. While they are well intentioned, same as say self professed so called "nationalists".


It is a bit like the "zero tolerance" era of the late nineties. If people don't appreciate that freedoms come with rights and responsibilities, and are incapable of policing themselves, it is an inevitability that society will act to protect itself, however ill considered.


Sure. But the pendulum must be slowed on its counter swing because it gets much worse if it swings too far back.


I know well the jungles of Queensland where you stare in front of you and that three square feet is teeming life. Or maybe that's much further north to you.

In this country we have the most depleted ecosystems and destruction of biodiversity in almost the whole world.

I am right in saying that is directly related and interdependent with the exact type of stupidity that I engage with on here, and on p.ie, and indeed in our government, and generally in this country.

I think on your first point, though accurate, this is simply a consequence of media and tech bias. In fact I'm sure it is. You have to accept that the internet is essentially governed by a few major entities (such as alphabet) and these are all American, and Silicon Valley based. This is an extremely progressive region, with an extremely progressive culture. Thusly the cultural and philosophical MO they pipe literally everywhere around the world has hard progressive bias. This is the current orthodoxy. They have the power to deplatform sites if they don't tow the line, and control and manipulate search results to promote media and information germaine to their agenda. Can you really blame the members here for creating a pocket free of it, and for not wanting to host more of it?

Ireland's environmental record and the current state of the environment therein is appalling. I've been looking into this lately, and less than 1% of tree cover is remnant forestry. 11% is forestry of any kind, and the vast majority of this is monoculture, which is only slightly better than nothing. There are many reasons for this, but fracturization is probably the main issue.

Although Australia is much better, we're still pretty bad here environmentally. The only reason Australia isn't as cleared as Ireland is that we don't have Ireland's history. We don't have thousands of years of tree felling for structure-building and heating, and we weren't at the epicentre of the industrial revolution. Most of the deforestation happened in the mid 1800's to about 1940, with the best timber being sent back to England.

But you'd be amazed at the scale of the destruction which occurred in that time--and the amount of death that accompanied it. Go to any one of the old graveyards around Brisbane. You'll see a lot of headstones with celtic knots on them, loggers who died in their late teens and twenties trying to cut down thousand-year-old trees with crosscut saws and sping boards.

Anyway, apparently 66% of Ireland is farmland, but farming only accounts for about 1% of GDP. There's your problem right there. Although Ireland is far, far better suited to the grazing of ruminant animals such as cattle and sheep (in Australia these utterly destroy the soil profile BTW) you can't have forests and grazing pastures. At one point, nearly 100% of Ireland would have been covered in temperate rainforest.

There's a lot that could be done to make sure the farmers and the environment wins, but I suppose like here, there isn't the social and political capital to do anything. Having looked at some zoning maps, it looks like a lot of Ireland's high country is pretty crap for grazing anyway. That's where you'd start revegetating and buying out/compensating the farmers. In Australia, we call these "Corridors". Basically, you create large, interconnected swathes of forestry between native land. It's been very effective for bringing back species on the verge of extinction, and for creating biodiversity. I see no reason why this couldn't happen in the old country.

 

[Fishalt]

Yes, Jews exercise power, engage in self-interest, nepotism etc. You're right, that's what Jews do, much more so than wypipo I would say.. But that's not a description of the JQ. That's not the it they do in regards to that term

Maybe. But I think this is cultural. If I have an issue with Jewishness, it's that their culture is built on the premise of race. Many Jews will not even consider a person Jewish if they are not matrilineally Jewish, and actually their own religion is amazingly racist. Right of return is the most incredibly racist policy in existence. Then you have the whole "We're God's chosen people" thing. I mean, it's not hard to see why they have been hated by their adoptive cultures, historically.Or at least how it happens.

 

[AN2]

Maybe. But I think this is cultural. If I have an issue with Jewishness, it's that their culture is built on the premise of race. Many Jews will not even consider a person Jewish if they are not matrilineally Jewish, and actually their own religion is amazingly racist. Right of return is the most incredibly racist policy in existence. Then you have the whole "We're God's chosen people" thing. I mean, it's not hard to see why they have been hated by their adoptive cultures, historically.Or at least how it happens.

I have no problem understanding Jewish ethno-nationalism, simply because I'm an ethno-nationalist myself, although not a supremacist, like @St. Peter the Rock is

I appreciate that this is very difficult for you, but you asked me to lay it (the JQ) out for you and I'm trying - but you're not helping me, you're not helping you. You need to unplug your ears

 

[Fishalt]

I have no problem understanding Jewish ethno-nationalism, simply because I'm an ethno-nationalist myself, although not a supremacist, like @St. Peter the Rock is

I appreciate that this is very difficult for you, but you asked me to lay it (the JQ) out for you and I'm trying - but you're not helping me, you're not helping you. You need to unplug your ears

Well, try and lay it out succinctly. Stop asking questions and start posting declarative statements.

 

[AN2]

Well, try and lay it out succinctly. Stop asking questions and start posting declarative statements.

In my opinion, asking questions is a fantastic argumentative and potentially persuasive technique

Unfortunately, I cannot do anything about my interlocutor essentially panning them