Does Nationalism Need National Socialism?

[AN2]

Well, try and lay it out succinctly. Stop asking questions and start posting declarative statements.

In my opinion, asking questions is a fantastic argumentative and potentially persuasive technique

Unfortunately, I cannot do anything about my interlocutor essentially panning them

 

[Hermit]

I think people focus on the antisemitism & racism of National Socialism but they don't seem to realize that it was primarily a Conservative movement based on magic, pagan rituals & what Evola calls the Maennerbund which is an order of warriors as a kind of hindoo caste... the elevation of warriors from a merely hired 'soldier' to a caste which defends the magi at its centre. The exclusion of Jews & negroes is just another element of this movement.

Can you recommend some reading material or videos about this?

 

[AUL LAD]

I am a scientist and engineer. I am somewhat morbidly fascinated by such specimens as one finds in places like this. With this, conflict is the basis for the notion of “calling for'' additional information. Conflict is a source of cognitive energy and thereby a means for moving things forward more rapidly. For I am curious. I have never encountered such specimens as you find on here in the real world. I have never encountered such stupidity, a willingness to lie for ill conceived, ill considered ideas, granted there are certainly new problems in this day and age, or manifestations of the same old problems, and the phenomenon of immigration is a major aspect of that, no doubt, and perhaps even central to their consideration. But the approach taken to that by such chumps as one finds on here is quite amazing to me. However I enter places like Arsefields as a laboratory, and roll up my sleeves, prodding and poking to see what mysteries of behaviour might I elicit. It's all great fun, a kind of satisfying work, part hobby, and we are learning a lot in the process about such things as free speech, and the various subjective interpretations people have of it, and a lot else besides. Now there's your earnest answer.

you are not a scientist or an engineer nor have you a command of the English language if you are ""MORBIDLY fascinated"" .
""conflict is the basis for the notion""-- conflict is a source of cognitive energy- i have never encountered such specimens as you find here in the real world .
i enter places like arsefields prodding and poking its all great fun .
YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER KEYBOARD CUNT OUT TO WRECK ANYTHING AND ANYONE YOU CAN ""ITS ALL GREAT FUN"" fuck off you scientist of shit you engineer of hate.

 

[AN2]

you are not a scientist or an engineer nor have you a command of the English language if you are ""MORBIDLY fascinated"" .
""conflict is the basis for the notion""-- conflict is a source of cognitive energy- i have never encountered such specimens as you find here in the real world .
i enter places like arsefields prodding and poking its all great fun .
YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER KEYBOARD CUNT OUT TO WRECK ANYTHING AND ANYONE YOU CAN ""ITS ALL GREAT FUN"" fuck off you scientist of shit you engineer of hate.

I think we should keep him though, you know, like a pet (that you don't pet)

 

[SwordOfStZip]

I think we should keep him though, you know, like a pet (that you don't pet)

Part of me feels like that. The thing is that it's like having a really scary dog, you might appreciate him but he or she can be a total pain a lot of the time when you are entertaining a lot of guests.

 

[AUL LAD]

Can you recommend some reading material or videos about this?

German national identity was taken over like ours briefly by the Celtic FAIRIES where people dressed up like extras in the lord of the rings and worse .
all imaginary refugees from the very misty mists of time --plenty of cloaks and swords and leather belts and helmets -- fairy's dressing up male and female.
it WAS NOT based on conservative thinking --it was pure socialism but crucially not communism .
this is unfamiliar territory for Irish people as most of us have been reared in a mix of Marxism and capitalism.
neither are socialist or even remotely socialist and we have never explored socialism as a people except in the land commission after independence .
if you want to know in depth what was the reason for the dramatic success of NS go and download for free THE MANIFESTO OF GOTTFRIED FEDER online and he founded the German workers party and had 60 members when Hitler took it over -- he was no Nazi and they did not even give him a pension and he died in obscurity after being sacked by Shacht the new minister of finance in Germany.
the understanding of wealth he had as an amateur economist made Germany the wealthiest country in Europe in 5 years and NOBODY in any school of economics is allowed to study WHY this economics produced so much wealth for the nation which adopts it .
almost every country in the world and almost every school in the world believes socialism is communism and will make you poor .
except me and oddballs like me such as professor Richard Werner the only economist to fill the point depot there were so many who wished to hear him speak.
he also wrote a book called THE PRINCES OF THE YEN and you can see for free a video of the book narrated by him and in this wonderful video you will understand the source of wealth is not usury as we practice but the absence of usury .
IN AMERICA TODAY JEWS CAN GET INTEREST FREE LOANS BUT ONLY JEWS AS IT IS AGAINST THEIR RELIGION TO PERFORM USURY ON JEWS !!!.
look up int rest free loans for Jews on google.
now you know what Hitler and gottfreid feder knew and the Jews know but keep it to themselves as how would they acquire our wealth ""if we did not give it to them""

 

[SwordOfStZip]

I think we should keep him though, you know, like a pet (that you don't pet)

Do you see roc_ a lot of the time as a mentally shattered neurotic wreck?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

I am an engineer.

We know that Asshole. Sandyford's finest. An engineer of what I don't know.

Who'd have a cuckolded Jew engineer anything for them?

Its time you were put back in the Sin Bin Ruaidhrí.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

you engineer of hate.

He's an engineer and self styled male model who's address Mowl had on the Isle but the Site's gone now.

A real hateful Jew for sure Sir.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

We know that Asshole. Sandyford's finest. An engineer of what I don't know.

Who'd have a cuckolded Jew engineer anything for them?

Its time you were put back in the Sin Bin Ruaidhrí.

You are skating there and you know it on very thin ice.

Also do you really see no contradiction in your support for Tommy Robinson and your objection to roc_'s agenda?

 

[AN2]

Do you see roc_ a lot of the time as a mentally shattered neurotic wreck?

Well, he's certainly hysterical (and dim)

The thing is though, a lot of the stuff he says (about the far right, white supremacy..) is the same stuff you could read in the fake news media, other articles and watch in expose documentaries (PA recently had (another) one of those), it's like the ominous music soundtrack is playing on repeat in his mind

Ultimately, everything he posts about, and I mean everything, has to do with the Tribe. I don't know if that's more weird than, as he tells us, him not being a Jew, or being one

 

[AN2]

Also do you really see no contradiction in your support for Tommy Robinson and your objection to roc_'s agenda?

I wonder what does Myler think of Farage (but I'd be too frightened to ask him )

 

[céline]

Can you recommend some reading material or videos about this?

Any book by Julius Evola will probably suffice. I suppose 'Revolt Against the Modern World' is a good place to start.

 

[Donald J Trump]

Tell me truthfully.

Have you ever posted on this Site under a different Username?

No, I used to post on Political Irish and I post infrequently on Politics ie

 

[Nyob]

How Hitler conquered Europe (thanks J*ws) -

Post in thread 'The Great Replacement' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com/threads/the-great-replacement.1182/post-131075

 

[Dilip Sengupta (Jack)]

View: https://youtu.be/mJNLKiuI5fw

 

[Nyob]

View: https://youtu.be/mJNLKiuI5fw

Murray is a strange one

I remember him basically as the posh Tommy Robinson

But he's spent the last 18 months (as he says himself) shilling for Jewish imperialism (wars in Ukraine and Palestine, but not Syria), why?

 

[Hermit]

Good analysis of the economy in NS Germany:


View: https://odysee.com/@AvaWolfe:d/The-Nazi-Economy:4

I think people focus on the antisemitism & racism of National Socialism but they don't seem to realize that it was primarily a Conservative movement based on magic, pagan rituals & what Evola calls the Maennerbund which is an order of warriors as a kind of hindoo caste... the elevation of warriors from a merely hired 'soldier' to a caste which defends the magi at its centre. The exclusion of Jews & negroes is just another element of this movement.

I found a website which has a huge amount of content about this: https://thirdreichocculthistory.blogspot.com/

 

[céline]

I found a website which has a huge amount of content about this: https://thirdreichocculthistory.blogspot.com/

Adolf Hitler doesn't represent the only direction National Socialism can go in.

The true Right would be very much like the kind of Hindoo caste system you find in the Indian countryside.

Heinrich Himmler was closer to the true Right than Adolf Hitler. Julius Evola the closest.

Adolf Hitler is like a right-wing Josef Stalin, Heinrich Himmler a Léon Trotsky & Julius Evola a Rosa Luxemburg.

Either way, you should probably read actual books about the subject, not just website articles.

'Mein Kampf' is not a very good book in comparison to Julius Evola's oeuvre, which is much better, but that depends on whether you want to follow Julius Evola's ideal or prefer just going with whatever Adolf Hitler thought was worth doing.

 

[Hermit]

Either way, you should probably read actual books about the subject, not just website articles.

'Mein Kampf' is not a very good book in comparison to Julius Evola's oeuvre, which is much better, but that depends on whether you want to follow Julius Evola's ideal or prefer just going with whatever Adolf Hitler thought was worth doing.

I have read Evola's Revolt Against the Modern World and will read more of his work, and I've read many books about the occult.

 

[Declan]

Never heard of Evola but should I get it as an audio book if possible

 

[BelfastRatepayer]

Adolf Hitler doesn't represent the only direction National Socialism can go in.

The true Right would be very much like the kind of Hindoo caste system you find in the Indian countryside.

Heinrich Himmler was closer to the true Right than Adolf Hitler. Julius Evola the closest.

Adolf Hitler is like a right-wing Josef Stalin, Heinrich Himmler a Léon Trotsky & Julius Evola a Rosa Luxemburg.

Either way, you should probably read actual books about the subject, not just website articles.

'Mein Kampf' is not a very good book in comparison to Julius Evola's oeuvre, which is much better, but that depends on whether you want to follow Julius Evola's ideal or prefer just going with whatever Adolf Hitler thought was worth doing.

Himmer, like Evola, was heavily interested in mysticism and esotericism. Hitler looked down on this and privately condemned the SS for wasting time hunting for old clay pots in India to prove the origins of "Aryan civilisation".

I agree with your first point though that National Socialism doesn't necessarily have to be tied to Adolf Hitler, but for all intents and purposes it is just Hitlerism.

What does national socialism mean? If it just means nationalism with a social conscience, then it is not at all unique to Germany in the 1930s.

 

[Dilip Sengupta (Jack)]

What does national socialism mean?

Look on here for example. The "contributors" have no conscience, have no mind. They generally have no reason and they hate mankind. Germany in the 1930's was the greatest socio-psychological mass hysteria outbreak of the same phenomenon as you find on here. A mass psychosis driven by a particular type of propaganda.

 

[BelfastRatepayer]

SO a debate has been ongoing online about this with somewhat of a Northern / Southern hemisphere divide.

For the Southern, there's Australian Joel Davis (who I think @Fishalt would call a Stormfag) making arguments like this -

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And then of course there's our own Justin.

Any thoughts? Is trying to rehabilitate Nazism mad, or something that nationalists should try to do?

Justin Barrett founded his political party on the pretext of being a right-wing populist party in the European mould. He outright denied being a National Socialist, particularly after he was burned by the German and Italian scandals of the early 2000s.

Then he gradually orchestrated a rugpull in the period from around 2020 onwards whereby he revealed himself to be a lifelong National Socialist. Now anyone ever associated publicly with that party is considered a "neo-Nazi", even if their views are nothing of the sort.

It was deeply immoral and deceptive on his part. If he wanted to set up an explicitly National Socialist Party, he should have done so in 2016 and let it sink or swim on its own merits or demerits.

 

[Nyob]

Hello BelfastRatepayer, and welcome to the site

Allow me to answer for AN2 (who's a close relation of mine who was sadly murdered)..

Justin Barrett founded his political party on the pretext of being a right-wing populist party in the European mould.

I would say that Justin Barrett founded an Irish ethno-nationalist (there's really no need for the ethno part) party, the only one there's been in the modern era, IMO

He outright denied being a National Socialist, particularly after he was burned by the German and Italian scandals of the early 2000s.

Then he gradually orchestrated a rugpull in the period from around 2020 onwards whereby he revealed himself to be a lifelong National Socialist. Now anyone ever associated publicly with that party is considered a "neo-Nazi", even if their views are nothing of the sort.

It was deeply immoral and deceptive on his part. If he wanted to set up an explicitly National Socialist Party, he should have done so in 2016 and let it sink or swim on its own merits or demerits.

Certainly I would say that people (with a clue) knew what who Barrett was talking about with his eh, euphemism "International finance capital" but yes, I would accept that it was somewhat of a reveal, as you put it, to declare himself as a National Socialist, as he now does openly

 

[Nyob]

View: https://youtu.be/mJNLKiuI5fw

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rAVHPpsKq5Q

 

[BelfastRatepayer]

Hello BelfastRatepayer, and welcome to the site

Allow me to answer for AN2 (who's a close relation of mine who was sadly murdered)..


I would say that Justin Barrett founded an Irish ethno-nationalist (there's really no need for the ethno part) party, the only one there's been in the modern era, IMO


Certainly I would say that people (with a clue) knew what who Barrett was talking about with his eh, euphemism "International finance capital" but yes, I would accept that it was somewhat of a reveal, as you put it, to declare himself as a National Socialist, as he now does openly

Thank you.

Perhaps he (and some others) have always meant "international finance capital" to refer to the Jews. I imagine there were many who believed it was clever and politic to conceal your antisemitism by talking about "international finance capital", and that was presumably why Barrett did it. But now he has decided to throw caution to the wind and instead engage in unsophisticated prosaic Nazi propaganda.

I will always consider what he did to have been dishonourable and deceptive. He misled people who wanted to form an Irish nationalist party with a straightforward message by presenting the National Party as such, and then decided arbitrarily at some point that anyone who had joined must now be prepared to convert into an open National Socialist (really Hollywood Nazi) Party or else take a hike.

 

[Nyob]

Thank you.

Perhaps he (and some others) have always meant "international finance capital" to refer to the Jews. I imagine there were many who believed it was clever and politic to conceal your antisemitism

Woahh..

by talking about "international finance capital", and that was presumably why Barrett did it. But now he has decided to throw caution to the wind and instead engage in unsophisticated prosaic Nazi propaganda.

Rightio

I will always consider what he did to have been dishonourable and deceptive. He misled people who wanted to form an Irish nationalist party with a straightforward message by presenting the National Party as such, and then decided arbitrarily at some point that anyone who had joined must now be prepared to convert into an open National Socialist (really Hollywood Nazi) Party or else take a hike.

R u aware of any other kind?

 

[BelfastRatepayer]

Woahh..


Rightio


R u aware of any other kind?

Hollywood Nazism is dressing up in German brownshirts in 2025.

We want to be the first of tomorrow. Not the last of yesterday.

 

[Nyob]

Hollywood Nazism is dressing up in German brownshirts in 2025.

That's not what I asked you. Are you aware of a what a Nazi is/was outside of what Hollywood tells you? Are you aware that no one had really heard of "The Holocaust" before Hollywood (resisting the temptation for parentheses here ) started making movies about it in the seventies?

We want to be the first of tomorrow. Not the last of yesterday.

There's a chap here called Ivan (@Myles O'Reilly calls him that). Of course, I don't think that you're Ivan, you wouldn't be deceptive

 

[BelfastRatepayer]

That's not what I asked you. Are you aware of a what a Nazi is/was outside of what Hollywood tells you? Are you aware that no one had really heard of "The Holocaust" before Hollywood (resisting the temptation for parentheses here ) started making movies about it in the seventies?


There's a chap here called Ivan (@Myles O'Reilly calls him that). Of course, I don't think that you're Ivan, you wouldn't be deceptive

A chara, I am well versed in the ideology of National Socialism. I also knew Mr Barrett for many years. I do not need the introductory crash course to thinking "outside the box" on WW2, thank you.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

You are skating there and you know it on very thin ice.

What are you on about you silly woman?

 

[Nyob]

New speech from An Ceannaire: Mr. Justin Barrett


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ErkRWKCS9Tk

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Hello BelfastRatepayer, and welcome to the site

He pays rates in Sandyford not Belfast

 

[BelfastRatepayer]

He pays rates in Sandyford not Belfast

What do you mean by that?

 

[AN2]

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Trailer:

Watch the full video here:


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LgJ8wPLm5Bo

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

What do you mean by that?

Are you R0ry O'Connor from Sandyford?

 

[BelfastRatepayer]

Are you R0ry O'Connor from Sandyford?

No.

Should I know who that is?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

You're better off not knowing.

Thank you for your reply.

 

[AN2]