Mass Migration to Ireland & Europe

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I could equally say all this of yourself, Tiger. We're all products of our life and time, embedded in it like a bug in amber. This process is inescapable. You are a Catholic because you were born in Ireland in the 20th Century. You did not reason your way into that particular ideology. It was handed to you, already fully-formed, complete with culture and doctrines, and you simply osmosed it. It was the default of the time. For the greater part of your life, it was the dominant religious institution, and believing in it was in fact what defined you as a Normie. Tell me; in what way are you not a product of your environment? To employ your own language--which you have used to verbalize me because I never used it to describe myself mind you--is the outcome of your life and mind Unique, rebellious, or the result of original thought? Your identity is constructed around the works of bronze-age sand people who introduced into your homeland in the 5th century. The mistake you made is not understanding that change is the only constant. You have become acculturated, and bitter. Hateful.

I don't consider myself unique, rebellious, or an original thinker--at least none of those things in the context of this discussion. Those are your words, not mine. I'm not rejecting the supernatural and the occult as an act of rebellion. Why would I? If we're to go by your own reasoning, what would be the point? By your own reasoning and assertion, such a rejection could not equal or be seen as rebellion by anybody because said rejection thereof would already be mainstream--the current dominant ideological position, no more rebellious than wearing a suit and tie to an office job. Therefore, it could not be rebellion, merely conformity.

I reject the aforementioned things because there's no evidence for them. What magic? Where? Evil is not done by people chanting canticles and waving incense, and neither is good. It is done by action, in the material, with the material, by good and evil people. Wish in one hand and shit in the other, Tiger. Let me know which one fills first.

You could “say the same” to me. However you’d be completely incorrect.

Your reply, while dressed in the veneer of inevitability, rests upon a fallacy so elementary it’s hard to believe you don’t see it. You equate your default position—one of materialism and secularism—with the journey that led me to Traditional Catholicism, as though both are mere products of their respective environments. But in doing so, you ignore the overwhelming statistical probability of your position and the staggering improbability of mine. To choose Traditional Catholicism in the late 20th century—when modernism and relativism were the reigning gods—is not comparable to your absorption of secular thought, which was and remains the dominant creed of our age. Let me elucidate this for you.

You were born into a world that spoon-fed you the tenets of materialism, skepticism, and atheism—positions heralded as intellectually superior by the cultural engineers of the late 20th century. You didn’t choose this worldview; it chose you. It was poured into the minds of your generation from birth. Secularism is the air you breathe, the water in which you swim. It requires no rebellion, no courage, no great leap of thought to adopt the views you hold. They are the default setting, the product of a society that has long since lost touch with the transcendent and sees all belief in the metaphysical as childish fancy.

Now, let’s contrast that with my journey. Traditional Catholicism is not, and has not been, the dominant institution in the world I grew up in. Far from it. By the time I reached an age of reason, the forces of secular modernity had all but decimated traditional religious structures, leaving only hollow shells of what once was. Vatican II had watered down the faith; the culture of the West had fully embraced hedonism, materialism, and nihilism. In such an environment, the chances of someone like me choosing to embrace the timeless truths of the Church’s pre-modern teachings are infinitesimally small.

Do you understand the magnitude of that difference? The vast gulf between the statistical probability of someone adhering to the dominant secular paradigm (your worldview) and the near-impossibility of someone actively seeking out and embracing Traditional Catholicism? To put it bluntly, there is no comparison. You are a Normie by birthright, molded by a system that requires nothing of you except compliance with the dominant intellectual trends. I, on the other hand, had to fight for every inch of my beliefs, against the tide of modern thought, against the prevailing winds of my generation, and against the very environment you claim I am simply a product of.

You write as though my faith was handed to me, pre-packaged, by virtue of geography and ancestry, as though I passively "osmosed" my beliefs. But this is a gross distortion of reality. I was not raised in the pre-modern Ireland of pious monks and ascetic scholars, but in an era when secularism reigned supreme. Choosing Traditional Catholicism required me to reject the very norms you have passively absorbed. It required study, reflection, and a willingness to stand apart from my peers. It required me to question the assumptions handed to me by the culture, not accept them blindly as you have.
And so, when you attempt to place us on equal footing, suggesting that we are both products of our environments, you reveal just how deeply you misunderstand the nature of belief and choice. Your worldview, like that of millions of others in the late 20th and early 21st centuries, is the product of the culture industry’s relentless indoctrination. You were trained to think the way you do, to dismiss the metaphysical, to reject the spiritual, to believe that the material world is all that exists. Your skepticism is not rebellion; it is compliance. You are not the exception; you are the rule.

In contrast, my choice to embrace the eternal truths of Traditional Catholicism represents a profound rejection of the dominant ideology. It is an act of defiance against the secular orthodoxy that rules this age. The irony is that while you accuse me of being a product of my environment, you fail to see how completely you are a product of yours. Your rejection of the supernatural, far from being the result of independent thought, is simply the mainstream dogma of modernity. You are the perfect example of a Normie, the very thing you deny.
You end your reply with a flippant remark about good and evil, reducing them to mere material acts devoid of any metaphysical significance. This reductionism is the hallmark of a worldview that has been hollowed out by decades of indoctrination into the cult of materialism. You ask, “What magic?” It is right before your eyes, yet you are too blind to see it. You have been conditioned to reject anything that doesn’t fit into the narrow confines of your ideology, and you call this blindness "rationality."

There is no statistical equivalence between the choices we have made. Your opinions are the default; mine are a rejection of the dominant paradigm. You are the Normie in this discussion, and though you may reject this label, it fits you perfectly, for you embody the exact characteristics of someone who believes they are thinking independently while, in truth, they are simply parroting the ideology of their time. I, on the other hand, have chosen a path that is the antithesis of the secular, materialist age we live in, and that is why your entire comparison collapses under the weight of its own absurdity.
 

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Dude, give us a fucking break wouldja

If you were born in a Muslim country, for example, you'd be a Muslim


Here’s the thing James, unlike you, I didn’t just absorb the dominant ideology of my time. I wasn’t raised in a world that supports Traditional Catholicism—quite the opposite.

Secularism and relativism have been the default for decades. The choice to embrace something as countercultural as Traditional Catholicism is about as rare as it gets today. You, on the other hand, have conformed perfectly to the mainstream—you’re exactly what the system wants. Atheism isn’t rebellious; it’s the safe, easy route. It’s spoon-fed by schools, media, and the culture around us, and people like you swallow it whole, thinking you’ve come to some “enlightened” position. You are the guy who’d be a Muslim in a Muslim country. Not I.

You think rejecting faith makes you an independent thinker? No, it just makes you another cog in the secular machine. Your worldview is exactly what society expects from you. You’ve followed the path of least resistance, whereas my choice to reject the modern secular norm and embrace Traditional Catholicism is rare and difficult—actually going against the grain.

So when you claim I'd just be a Muslim somewhere else, you're projecting. It’s you who’s a mindless product of your environment, not me. If anyone’s blindly conforming here, it’s you.

Look around, how many people are like me and how many are like you.
 

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Statistically you’d be more likely to be a peodophile Myles. How many hours have you wanked off to porn today you utter miserable failure in life?
There's no need to be like that Sir. I just suggested you should've helped out more in sorting out the Fishalt/Bocht dispute.

Nevertheless I think we're on the way to sorting it out.
 

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Arse backwards.

I'm 50 years old, Tiger

I'm the one who didn't absorb the dominant ideology of my time. I've always been an atheist



I don't reject it. It's not for me


It's one of the obvious atheistic arguments against religion. You are simply (religiously) a product of your environment

Ok, James, I know we have a truce in terms of being aggressive towards each other however your response betrays a basic unawareness of just how susceptible you actually were to the prevailing norms of your era.

Far from being immune to cultural influence, your being 50 places you squarely within the very shift you claim to have resisted. By the time you were coming of age, the once-dominant Christian worldview had already been completely eroded by secularism, relativism, and materialism.

The intellectual and cultural elite were busy dismantling the remnants of faith, and atheism was being groomed as the new norm. So, when you say you've “always been an atheist,” you weren’t some brave dissenter—you were merely a product of the intellectual drift of your time. You didn’t reject the dominant ideology, you embraced it.

And when you shrug off faith with “It’s not for me,” that’s not an intellectual stance, it’s consumerist sloganeering, reducing deep existential questions to the level of personal taste. It reflects not a thoughtful rejection, but a passive acceptance of what was already in the air. If you had truly been rebelling, you’d have pushed against the secular and materialist tide of your generation. Instead, you followed the path of least resistance, mistaking conformity for independence of mind.

So, being 50 doesn’t make you a trailblazer—it means you were even more likely to absorb the secular narrative of your time without question. You’ve been shaped by the currents of modernity, just another product of the ideological conditioning of your generation.
 

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I'll see that and raise you:

I will hand back my mod keys, and change my avatar. If only to prove that, as I have explicitly stated many times before, I don't especially mind. I do not desire dominion or authority over others. Virtually or otherwise.

But I do not think, Myles, that's going to be the win that you, James, and Zip an even Bocht think it's going to be. The reason for this is that I am ostensibly the only member here who does have interpersonal biases, water-under-the-bridge, and/or real-world preferences and enmity. I am neutral.

There is nothing in the rules so to speak that my AV couldn't be some occult bullshit, and I was under the impression that site was about freedom of speech and expression. The fact that yourself, zip, and bocht (two of which are mods) have reacted to it, and the fallout thereof, is all the information I need, really.

Good luck with it all, Myles.

Fish, up until the last week I would have presumed that you were sound. I realise that we disagree on many subjects, and that’s fine, however in the past week you’ve come across as a proper knob-jockey.

A complete prick.

I advise that you adjust your behaviour or simply phuck off permanently.

It’s bananas to think that you are a moderater. An absolute cock-jockey.
 

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Fish, up until the last week I would have presumed that you were sound. I realise that we disagree on many subjects, and that’s fine, however in the past week you’ve come across as a proper knob-jockey.

A complete prick.

I advise that you adjust your behaviour or simply phuck off permanently.

It’s bananas to think that you are a moderater. An absolute cock-jockey.
As you wish.

Enjoy!
 

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What, you resigned? 🤔

Well I hope you stay on as a poster anyway

I think my time at Sarsfields has concluded. Too much scheming, too much interpersonal bullshit, too much bad moderation, too many proselytizing prune juice drinkers who don't understand what freedom is and who are just woke in reverse. It's kind of a shitshow.

I'll turn up to read sometimes, but probably won't post. PDW for that.

I will miss talking with you and some of the other members, especially mad as fish, Clarkey, JPC and CPG (who truly is a fucking legend).

All the best.
 

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This thread is about mass migration into Ireland not Jimbo being an atheist or whatever he calls himself and continually shitposts about.

Open a thread about that boring obsession if you will, but fuck off out of this one with it.
 

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I think my time at Sarsfields has concluded. Too much scheming, too much interpersonal bullshit, too much bad moderation, too many proselytizing prune juice drinkers who don't understand what freedom is and who are just woke in reverse. It's kind of a shitshow.

I'll turn up to read sometimes, but probably won't post. PDW for that.

I will miss talking with you and some of the other members, especially mad as fish, Clarkey, JPC and CPG (who truly is a fucking legend).

All the best.
Sit tight, it won't last long.
The isle is missing the chap, especially the padre's used sex toy.
 

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Jimmy the spastic atheist alcoholic rainman, Dutch Gold in one hand, cock in the other. :ROFLMAO:
 

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You're a geriatric old cretin, a classic case of someone who's too stupid to know that he's stupid.

And I know that you're a pound shop bully, too. You tried it on with me on Pish, I remember

You better hope that people with mod buttons come to your rescue because if the gloves come off, I'll give you a beating for the ages
The only thing you beat is in your trousers ya stupid obsessive fuck.
Piss off back to the padre's used sex toy and get a room.(y)
 

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There's no where to go! and nothing to do! Locals typically go to Dublin or Abroad. I guess the new arrivals will do likewise.
Now there will be two large centres and one currently having a maaaassive overhanging extension built on.
The public space is so limited and cluttered - it's going to look and sound really weird in a town where the locals build and provide fuck all for themselves. 😖
 

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I was never in n Sligo but it was always regarded as worse than Tuam
 

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I was never in n Sligo but it was always regarded as worse than Tuam

There are differing aspects to Sligo. The suburban and close countryside can be very pleasant and spacious, surrounded by peaceful natural and well cultivated lands - Excellent!

Then there's the Town, it's a small centre with some good places but much dereliction under/non development and rough too, like the vibes to be found around.
It just so happens that all the planting is being done within a square KM of the centre and the numbers of foreign looking strangers has been noticeably increasing steadily enough to reasonably say enough already.
Meanwhile the big centers being built and prepared have yet to be filled - Awful stuff on the way.
 

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Jesus Wept!!

"The Minister for Justice’s decision to also refuse residency to a Pakistani man found to have submitted false documents in support of his application was also upheld."

Then......
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However, the court noted that both of the respondents have been granted permission to remain in Ireland under the Regularisation of Long Term Undocumented Migrants Scheme."

 

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