Myles' LGBTQIA+ thread

Haven said:
James, if you look over your last posts, all you have supplied are unsupported statements, dogma, and statements of belief.

No evidence. No examples.

You should have been a priest!

Reflect on your beating and give us one decade of the Rosary for your sins.

Good night.
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There hasn't been a single multiracial society that's ever worked. None of them do today.

Pretending that it does by babbling about the Normans, the Vikings, the Hugenots, or whatever, as is the wont of "conservative" idiots like John McGuirk and Nigel Farage, is folly.
 
The Equalizer said:
There hasn't been a single multiracial society that's ever worked. None of them do today.
Pretending that it does by babbling about the Normans, the Vikings, the Hugenots, or whatever, as is the wont of "conservative" idiots like John McGuirk and Nigel Farage, is folly.
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Not true.

I don't particularly relish getting into this argument because obviously we have a problem currently owing to capitalist type forces, more precisely rentierism, driving immigration in a manner that is likely to harm the country - but telling porkies helps no one Jambo.

There have been numerous multicultural, mercantile, decentralised places, like Alexandria, Beirut, Smyrna, Tripoli, New York, etc, where diverse communities have peacefully coexisted through cross-cultural commerce and mutual respect.

Those were places with a natural resilience and vibrancy.

Actually the truth is the issues in such places arose with Nationalism, including Arab Nationalism, and the rigid, top-down structures of modern, artificial nation-states.

Also of course, looking around here for illustration you have issues with clannishness, privileges of one's own background (e.g. "white"), and the lack of having deep, personal experience in diverse foreign cities to break down cognitive barriers etc.

Therein lies the real folly, Jambo.
 
Haven said:
If a child of Scottish parents, was born and grew up to adulthood in Ireland, would you consider him/her to be Irish?
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If the same Scottish parents had a kid in China or Japan would they be Chinese or Japanese and would the people of those countries consider them to be natives?
 
Haven said:
Gay men in the priesthood you say?
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Do you live under a rock?

Yes. It’s riddled with them. They run the seminaries and filter out the non gay men.

The Vatican is now notorious for drug fuelled gay orgies.

The largest seminary in NY has been nicknamed ‘the pink palace’ for decades.
Haven said:
Are there gay men in the priesthood now?
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See above.
Haven said:
Is your local priest gay?
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It’s statistically likely.
 
Tiger said:
If the same Scottish parents had a kid in China or Japan would they be Chinese or Japanese and would the people of those countries consider them to be natives?
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White Chinese do exist.


View: https://youtu.be/fbJ7VM46QVs?si=JSN97RssrqH7NjJ4


As regards Japan, I think we are all aware of their war crimes in WW2. They are famously xenophobic. I presume we want to look at a better way of doing things rather than look to a nation that beheaded white POWs for fun and never apologised for it.
 
Tiger said:
Do you live under a rock?

Yes. It’s riddled with them. They run the seminaries and filter out the non gay men.

The Vatican is now notorious for drug fuelled gay orgies.

The largest seminary in NY has been nicknamed ‘the pink palace’ for decades.

See above.

It’s statistically likely.
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Better not step into my local church then. Might be an orgy in the sarcristy.

Brings a new meaning to "Catholic Revival".
 
Haven said:
White Chinese do exist.


View: https://youtu.be/fbJ7VM46QVs?si=JSN97RssrqH7NjJ4
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Pathetic.

Finding a video of some rare, hidden away white people does not answer the question that I asked you.

You think anyone born in Ireland magically becomes Irish. However you won’t acknowledge that the same ‘rule’ doesn’t apply across the world. European countries seem to be one of the few places that this magical transformation can occur. It doesn’t work both ways. Europeans born in exotic foreign lands are not thought of as anything other than European.

I’ll ask again using your own question - Would the child of two Scottish people born in Hong Kong be considered Chinese by people in China?

You were demanding an answer from James, but won’t answer the question when it’s tweaked to be about a country other than Ireland.
Haven said:
As regards Japan, I think we are all aware of their war crimes in WW2. They are famously xenophobic. I presume we want to look at a better way of doing things rather than look to a nation that beheaded white POWs for fun and never apologised for it.
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Roc. said:
Not true.

I don't particularly relish getting into this argument because obviously we have a problem currently owing to capitalist type forces, more precisely rentierism, driving immigration in a manner that is likely to harm the country - but telling porkies helps no one Jambo.

There have been numerous multicultural, mercantile, decentralised places, like Alexandria, Beirut, Smyrna, Tripoli, New York, etc, where diverse communities have peacefully coexisted through cross-cultural commerce and mutual respect.

Those were places with a natural resilience and vibrancy.

Actually the truth is the issues in such places arose with Nationalism, including Arab Nationalism, and the rigid, top-down structures of modern, artificial nation-states.

Also of course, looking around here for illustration you have issues with clannishness, privileges of one's own background (e.g. "white"), and the lack of having deep, personal experience in diverse foreign cities to break down cognitive barriers etc.

Therein lies the real folly, Jambo.
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Haha.. Yes I'm aware that you always bring up the example of the ancient city of Alexandria (in your unrelenting promotion of white genocide).

Let's have a look at Alexandria today shall we -


And that's how it works with diversity, long term. Either one culture and people becomes dominant or balkanization e.g. the former Yugoslavia.
 
Tiger said:
Pathetic.

Finding a video of some rare, hidden away white people does not answer the question that I asked you.

You think anyone born in Ireland magically becomes Irish. However you won’t acknowledge that the same ‘rule’ doesn’t apply across the world. European countries seem to be one of the few places that this magical transformation can occur. It doesn’t work both ways. Europeans born in exotic foreign lands are not thought of as anything other than European.

I’ll ask again using your own question - Would the child of two Scottish people born in Hong Kong be considered Chinese by people in China?

You were demanding an answer from James, but won’t answer the question when it’s tweaked to be about a country other than Ireland.
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The answer is yes.


www.quora.com

Are there white Chinese people?

Answer (1 of 18): Yes. There are white Chinese people, mostly descended from Russian Cossacks, Merchants, Laborers, or Reminents of the White Army that fled into China after being defeated by the Bolsheviks. Mostly in the Manchuria and Xinjiang regions. There's even a small community of Russians ...
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There are white Chinese in China.

Like James, all you have is an emotional response to finding this out.

Also interesting:


View: https://youtu.be/KCYo4FPr3IY?si=rQE-iHDlnNk8bs7O
 
Haven said:
The answer is yes.
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The answer is no.

Children born of foreign immigrants are not granted citizenship nor are they considered Chinese by Chinese people. At least one parent has to be Chinese for them to even consider it.

Children born to parents from Nigeria are considered Nigerian. Children born of parents from any foreign nationality are considered as that nationality.

Nobody asked if there are white people in China you ding dong. The question was about whether Chinese people as a whole regard children born if immigrants to be Chinese.

They don’t.
Haven said:

www.quora.com

Are there white Chinese people?

Answer (1 of 18): Yes. There are white Chinese people, mostly descended from Russian Cossacks, Merchants, Laborers, or Reminents of the White Army that fled into China after being defeated by the Bolsheviks. Mostly in the Manchuria and Xinjiang regions. There's even a small community of Russians ...
www.quora.com www.quora.com

There are white Chinese in China.

Like James, all you have is an emotional response to finding this out.

Also interesting:


View: https://youtu.be/KCYo4FPr3IY?si=rQE-iHDlnNk8bs7O
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Tiger said:
The answer is no.

Children born of foreign immigrants are not granted citizenship nor are they considered Chinese by Chinese people. At least one parent has to be Chinese for them to even consider it.

Children born to parents from Nigerian are considered Nigerian. Children born of parents from any foreign nationality are considered as that nationality.

Nobody asked if there are white people in China you ding dong. The question was about whether Chinese people as a whole regard children born if immigrants to be Chinese.

They don’t.
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As I said, all you have are beliefs and emotions.

I have provided numerous examples and evidence on this thread already, in response to James and now to you.
 
Haven said:
As I said, all you have are beliefs and emotions.

I have provided numerous examples and evidence on this thread already, in response to James and now to you.
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You’re answering questions nobody is asking.

You’re trying to spoof your way out of admitting that Chinese people do not regard children of immigrants to be Chinese.

I’ll ask it in a simple ‘yes or no’ format. Watch how you evade.

Do Chinese people regard children of immigrants to be Chinese because they are born in China?
 
The Equalizer said:
Haha.. Yes I'm aware that you always bring up the example of the ancient city of Alexandria (in your unrelenting promotion of white genocide).

Let's have a look at Alexandria today shall we -


And that's how it works with diversity, long term. Either one culture and people becomes dominant or balkanization e.g. the former Yugoslavia.
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Well James it might be a good case study for you to learn from.

Its demise was caused by Nationalism, specifically Nasser's pan-Arab nationalism in the 1950s and 1960s that aspired to a pan Arab identity (and economy.)

Nationalism fucked all these once thriving multicultural city states.
 
Tiger said:
You’re answering questions nobody is asking.

You’re trying to spoof your way out of admitting that Chinese people do not regard children of immigrants to be Chinese.

I’ll ask it in a simple ‘yes or no’ format. Watch how you evade.

Do Chinese people regard children of immigrants to be Chinese because they are born in China?
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I'm not evading anything. You keep changing the question.

The answer is yes when they complete the naturalization process.

Yes, China too has a naturalization process.
 
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Haven said:
I'm not evading anything. You keep changing the question.
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Spoofer. The question is your question and has remained the same from the start. You think children of immigrants magically transform into Irish people because of being born in the Coombe or Rotunda hospital. I asked you was it the same in other countries and the REAL answer is that it is not.
Haven said:
The answer is yes when they complete the naturalization process.
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The answer is no. Chinese people do not regard foreign nationals as Chinese.

We’re not talking about work permits or even citizenship. I’m talking about Chinese people literally thinking of immigrants as transforming into Chinese people by moving there or having kids there. The way you think immigrants become Irish by moving here.
Haven said:
Yes, China too has a naturalization process.
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Tiger said:
Spoofer. The question is your question and has remained the same from the start. You think children of immigrants magically transform into Irish people because of being born in the Coombe or Rotunda hospital. I asked you was it the same in other countries and the REAL answer is that it is not.

The answer is no. Chinese people do not regard foreign nationals as Chinese.

We’re not talking about work permits or even citizenship. I’m talking about Chinese people literally thinking of immigrants as transforming into Chinese people by moving there or having kids there. The way you think immigrants become Irish by moving here.
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Again, you are expressing a belief.
I have provided examples and evidence.

"I asked you was it the same in other countries and the REAL answer is that it is not."
I already wiped the floor with James on this. You can review my posts to James or I can repost them for you now?

"You think children of immigrants magically transform into Irish people because of being born in the Coombe or Rotunda hospital."

I don't.

I regard them as Irish if they are born AND grow up in Ireland. I was always clear in this.
 
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Haven said:
Again, you are expressing a belief.
I have provided examples and evidence.

"I asked you was it the same in other countries and the REAL answer is that it is not."
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Haven said:
I already wiped the floor with James on this.
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You did what now?

As I've said before, ethnonationalism is the norm in the rest of the world (excluding the West).

And China, a country of over a billion people, has naturalised how many wypipo? You could probably count them on the fingers of your hands.

Haven said:
You can review my posts to James or I can repost them for you now?

"You think children of immigrants magically transform into Irish people because of being born in the Coombe or Rotunda hospital."

I don't.

I regard them as Irish if they are born AND grow up in Ireland. I was always clear in this.
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Haven said:
Again, you are expressing a belief.
I have provided examples and evidence.
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I am expressing reality. Shitlibs like you don’t care about reality. You prefer ideologies. It’s why you think men can have babies.

Posting a video of a girl from Mozambique describing her life in China is proof of precisely nothing. She says in the video that her African friends have been on the receiving end of racism because of their skin tone because Chinese people are racists. What did the ‘prove’? Absolutely nothing.

Back in the real world Chinese people have a very strong sense of ancestry and heritage that forms their views as to what it means to be Chinese. It’s such a strong National identity that they prefer to offer permanent work visas over citizenship.


View: https://youtu.be/8IdSytgmwyI?si=0gMazwjwBPwdIW8C


Here’s an interesting study on Chinese national identity
 
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Tiger said:
I am expressing reality. Shitlibs like you don’t care about reality. You prefer ideologies. It’s why you think men can have babies.

Posting a video of a girl from Mozambique describing her life in China is proof of precisely nothing. She says in the video that her African friends have been on the receiving end of racism because of their skin tone because Chinese people are racists. What did the ‘prove’? Absolutely nothing.

Back in the real world Chinese people have a very strong sense of ancestry and heritage that forms their views as to what it means to be Chinese. It’s such a strong National identity that they prefer to offer permanent work visas over citizenship.


View: https://youtu.be/8IdSytgmwyI?si=0gMazwjwBPwdIW8C


Here’s an interesting study on Chinese national identity
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Theres also racists in China, you say?

Astonishing news.

What else can we learn from China, this communist role model of yours?

Shall we also spit on the streets?
 
The likes of China and Russia are totalitarian regimes that understand the power that enforcement of cultural and political homogeneity yields them.

They can effectively treat millions of people as one - who they know how to speak to, manipulate, curate, and thereby control.

The surveillance, linguistic and cultural “integration” policies that are core to the totalitarianism that prevails there would be unviable without this homogeneous so called “National” character and mass “ identity.”
 
Roc. said:
The likes of China and Russia are totalitarian regimes that understand the power that enforcement of cultural and political homogeneity yields them.

They can effectively treat millions of people as one - who they know how to speak to, manipulate, curate, and thereby control.

The surveillance, linguistic and cultural “integration” policies that are core to the totalitarianism that prevails there would be unviable without this homogeneous so called “National” character and mass “ identity.”
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What I find hilarous is the cherry-picking - they will take the Chinese cultural norms when it comes to identity, but not other norms. Why not also push for the Chinese tradition of young children being allowed to take a shit in public, for example? I mean, theres a billion Chinese, they cant be wrong.
 
Haven said:
I'm all in.

Why are you pushing recent Western ideas on body hygiene on other peoples?
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Here's another infographic that you might find informative -

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Do you see what it says? It says that the only group (across races) who have a negative in-group preference are white liberals. And white liberals are most strongly correlated with having a mental illness.
 
The Equalizer said:
Here's another infographic that you might find informative -

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Do you see what it says? It says that the only group (across races) who have a negative in-group preference are white liberals. And white liberals are most strongly correlated with having a mental illness.
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We should emulate and embrace ALL the following Chinese systems, norms and behaviours. No half measures.

Smoking. China National Tobacco Corporation is the world's largest cigarette manufacturer and is state-owned. China has around 300 million smokers.

Public spitting.

Public defecation, particularly for young children whose pants have open crotch seams.

Communism.

The Social Credit System.

Massacres when deemed necessary to protect the State.

The Death Penalty.

Tofu buildings - fix our housing crisis.
 
The Equalizer said:
Here's another infographic that you might find informative -

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Do you see what it says? It says that the only group (across races) who have a negative in-group preference are white liberals. And white liberals are most strongly correlated with having a mental illness.
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Do conservatives really have better mental well-being than liberals? - PMC

American conservatives tend to rate their mental health more positively than their liberal counterparts. One explanation for this finding is that conservatives may be more likely to justify existing inequalities in society, leading to a palliative ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Notably, much of the research examining the mental health or happiness gap relies on self-reported measures of subjective well-being (or even self-reports of mental health diagnoses). For instance, respondents in a survey are often asked to rate their own mental health based on a subjective scale. But it may be the case that liberals and conservatives do not answer these questions in equally honest ways. For example, conservatives may be more likely to self-enhance when answering surveys, leading them to provide more positive assessments of their mental health than they actually feel internally.

This tendency is exacerbated by the fact that the concept of mental health is often stigmatized by conservatives. While mental health is in part a scientific concept, it has also become politicized. The literature on stigma and ideology is suggestive of a strong association between right-wing authoritarianism, which relates to conservative ideology, and the stigmatization of mental health, such as holding negative stereotypes and distancing themselves from those with mental illnesses."

In short James, you are mentally ill but won't face it or seek help.
 
Haven said:

Do conservatives really have better mental well-being than liberals? - PMC

American conservatives tend to rate their mental health more positively than their liberal counterparts. One explanation for this finding is that conservatives may be more likely to justify existing inequalities in society, leading to a palliative ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Notably, much of the research examining the mental health or happiness gap relies on self-reported measures of subjective well-being (or even self-reports of mental health diagnoses). For instance, respondents in a survey are often asked to rate their own mental health based on a subjective scale. But it may be the case that liberals and conservatives do not answer these questions in equally honest ways. For example, conservatives may be more likely to self-enhance when answering surveys, leading them to provide more positive assessments of their mental health than they actually feel internally.

This tendency is exacerbated by the fact that the concept of mental health is often stigmatized by conservatives. While mental health is in part a scientific concept, it has also become politicized. The literature on stigma and ideology is suggestive of a strong association between right-wing authoritarianism, which relates to conservative ideology, and the stigmatization of mental health, such as holding negative stereotypes and distancing themselves from those with mental illnesses."

In short James, you are mentally ill but won't face it or seek help.
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I don't think that it takes a medical professional to know that having a negative in-group preference is a mental disorder, probably related to psychopathy. And I don't think that you really care about your foreign pets either. That's been diagnosed as virtue signalling for some years now and I mean, it stands to reason, if you don't care about your own why would you care about anyone else.
 
The Equalizer said:
I don't think that it takes a medical professional to know that having a negative in-group preference is a mental disorder, probably related to psychopathy. And I don't think that you really care about your foreign pets either. That's been diagnosed as virtue signalling for some years now and I mean, it stands to reason, if you don't care about your own why would you care about anyone else.
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I care about you, mentally-ill James. Seek help.
 
Haven said:
Theres also racists in China, you say?
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Actually it’s the video that you posted that said it. You most likely didn’t watch it as you just use google to try and crowbar your losing arguments with inane guff in the hope that nobody notices that your argument has completely fallen apart.


Haven said:
Astonishing news.

What else can we learn from China, this communist role model of yours?
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It appears that you and Roc are competing to be this sites biggest user of trite strawman arguments.

Referencing China has nothing to do with admiring communism. It was a country pulled from thin air to highlight the stupidity of your position on immigrants magically becoming Irish, in a way that about 175 of the 195 countries of the world don’t agree with.

Ethnocultural nationalism and a deep respect for ancestry are what almost every country in the world consider when defining who or who isn’t a fellow native.

Countries with the brainwashed civic attitude to immigrants becoming fellow nationals at the drop of a hat are all western countries like the UK, Canada, New Zealand, Ireland…etc.
Haven said:
Shall we also spit on the streets?
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Strawman shite 👆
 
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