Revisiting the repeal referendum & treatment of “unmarried mothers” when we lived under a regime of state & Catholic institutional nexus.

[Declan]

When does life begin?

When does human life begin.

Seems easy to me, Both the sperm and the egg are alive from the start. The sperm even has an instint, he does not just hang about, he struggles and strives to survive.

When they combine they do not die or anything, it is still alive. It is a human life. It is absurd to think that it becomes human from non human at any stage, whether it is Day 5 or Day 50 or Day 270.

Thete ate people who are so bonkers that they think a baby becomes a human as it slips out the birth canal.

It is impossible to deal with insanity. Avoid them.

 

[Roc_]

So much bullshit as always.

Let’s start with this then.

Pretending that a compound word consisting of the words 'anti' and 'white' (which refers to race, not a colour) is impossible to parse is really tiresome.

First, this “compound word” of yours is a very recent innovation.

You say it is easy to parse. It could be parsed a number of ways, even including the conception of “white” as race as you insist.

But then you tell us very specifically. You write it regularly.

In fact another phrase that Bob Whitaker is absolutely the inventor of. Even if you’re ignorant of where your language originated.

“Racism is a code word for anti-white”.

Don’t you always tell us that?

Okay. What the fuck does that mean?

Does it mean racism is the same as “anti-white”.

Or, no, we read the phrase and apparently it is a “code word”.

Now who is this code word among? Who knows the code? How do you get to be a member of the group let in on the code word?

Certainly I’m not let in on it. And sure as fuck I don’t want to be let in on it.

Where does that leave things?

Answer it leaves it as in group jargon. You really claim you don’t see this?

 

[Roc_]

This tangent is actually on topic because part of Jambo’s dogma apparently is that those who are “pro-abortion” are also pro “anti-white” and pro “white genocide”.

I don't even know who that is.

AI:

The "Mantra" is a short, 221-word essay popularized by the late white supremacist Bob Whitaker. It claims that terms like "anti-racist" are code words for "anti-white" and that multiculturalism and diversity policies are deliberate attempts to cause "white genocide".

Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY White country and ONLY into White countries.
The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY White country and ONLY White countries to "assimilate," i.e., intermarry, with all those non-Whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-Blacks were brought into EVERY Black country and ONLY into Black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I'm not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane Black man to notice this and what kind of psycho Black man wouldn't object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the White race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-White.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.

From wiki:

“… White nationalist Robert Whitaker, who coined the phrase "anti-racist is a code word for anti-white" in a widely circulated 2006 piece (above) seeking to popularize the white genocide concept online, used "anti-White" to describe those he believed are responsible for the genocide of white people, and continued to view it as a Jewish conspiracy while emphasizing that others also supported the "anti-White" cause…”.

White genocide conspiracy theory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yet you claim you never heard of him, entailing you have no idea where your ideas and language actually originated?

 

[Roc_]

When does life begin?
When does human life begin.
Seems easy to me, Both the sperm and the egg are alive from the start. The sperm even has an instint, he does not just hang about, he struggles and strives to survive…

Indeed.

I guess that’s why in wiser days long gone in this country condoms were illegal and masturbation was decreed a sin.

By rights the country should roll all of it back.

The end was nigh when Monty Python poked fun at the idea that every little sperm was sacred.

It’s no laughing matter.

 

[Roc_]

Sorry I deleted this post accidentally. I’ll just repost it here:

Can you truthfully represent my view on, I dunno, say [race realism], what it is, why it's true and why it's important?

You think it makes sense to begin a trial to try and find an initial point of agreement with a jargon phrase?

That’s even more childish than insisting the argument starts from a position that your opponent can only be presented or acknowledged as “a murderer”.

Or that they are “anti-white” (which has the added attraction that nobody knows what the fuck you are talking about).

Another jargon term evocative of the jargon “race realism”, which of course also is a phrase promoted and popularised by your guru Bob Whitaker through his blog.

The intention of your dictating this beginning being to skip all discussion of what Dawkins, the sole genetic scientist you hold up as corroboration of your theories, really means when he acknowledges genetic differences between races.

I.e. Ok there are differences. We agree. But the much bigger question is do they make a difference.

And to answer that we have to hold these differences up beside the differences within human races. Or the “races” in other animals etc.

And then we see how these genetic differences between what are referred to as human “races” are small.

Much much much smaller than the genetic variation in the things we are holding it up beside.

So small in fact that then the question becomes - is it actually of any value to hold to the idea of racial categories when they are such very weak proxies for genetic diversity?

But you hold fast onto your term “race realism” and insist others conceive it in the same way your own in group have decided to - transparently for propaganda purposes.

Of course most people conceive it as most people would, as simply a rebranding of the old mid twentieth century “scientific racism”. That’s really what it is, isn’t it.

So you have completely incompatible views of the world.

But you see Jambo, rather than trying to find solid ground, or any point of agreement - rather, as totalitarians are wont the game becomes to make a critical mass of people buy into your dogmatic secular "political religion", convince them, exploiting the spiritual and psychological voids existing in such susceptible souls as you find on a forum like this one.

So rational thought is replaced with intense emotional group identity.

And as part of this group identity you all chime together your little phrases and dogma like “race realism”, and reinforce in each other the fictions about what your opponents think about such issues as abortion etc.

Which is absolutely the opposite of what I’m talking about and trying to get you to see.

 

[The Equalizer]

So much bullshit as always.

Well you are always a willing provider..

Let’s start with this then.


First, this “compound word” of yours is a very recent innovation.

As I said to you the other day, it's more commonplace now (much to your chagrin), I've been using it for years

You say it is easy to parse.

Incredibly so

It could be parsed a number of ways, even including the conception of “white” as race as you insist.

Look, I'm not getting into an argument about whether wypipo exist

But then you tell us very specifically. You write it regularly.

Anti-white? Yes. It's the term that should always be used. I don't think that anyone should refer to an anti-white as a 'racist'

In fact another phrase that Bob Whitaker is absolutely the inventor of. Even if you’re ignorant of where your language originated.

“Racism is a code word for anti-white”.

Correct

Don’t you always tell us that?

Okay. What the fuck does that mean?

It means what it says

Does it mean racism is the same as “anti-white”.

No

Or, no, we read the phrase and apparently it is a “code word”.

Now who is this code word among? Who knows the code? How do you get to be a member of the group let in on the code word?

Certainly I’m not let in on it. And sure as fuck I don’t want to be let in on it.

Where does that leave things?

Answer it leaves it as in group jargon. You really claim you don’t see this?

 

[The Equalizer]

Sorry I deleted this post accidentally. I’ll just repost it here:

My reply to it was not deleted

Of course, as the Soapbox Dunce, you're perfectly happy to repost your nonsense

You think it makes sense to begin a trial to try and find an initial point of agreement with a jargon phrase?

That’s even more childish than insisting the argument starts from a position that your opponent can only be presented or acknowledged as “a murderer”.

Or that they are “anti-white” (which has the added attraction that nobody knows what the fuck you are talking about).

Another jargon term evocative of the jargon “race realism”, which of course also is a phrase promoted and popularised by your guru Bob Whitaker through his blog.

The intention of your dictating this beginning being to skip all discussion of what Dawkins, the sole genetic scientist you hold up as corroboration of your theories, really means when he acknowledges genetic differences between races.

I.e. Ok there are differences. We agree. But the much bigger question is do they make a difference.

And to answer that we have to hold these differences up beside the differences within human races. Or the “races” in other animals etc.

And then we see how these genetic differences between what are referred to as human “races” are small.

Much much much smaller than the genetic variation in the things we are holding it up beside.

So small in fact that then the question becomes - is it actually of any value to hold to the idea of racial categories when they are such very weak proxies for genetic diversity?

But you hold fast onto your term “race realism” and insist others conceive it in the same way your own in group have decided to - transparently for propaganda purposes.

Of course most people conceive it as most people would, as simply a rebranding of the old mid twentieth century “scientific racism”. That’s really what it is, isn’t it.

So you have completely incompatible views of the world.

But you see Jambo, rather than trying to find solid ground, or any point of agreement - rather, as totalitarians are wont the game becomes to make a critical mass of people buy into your dogmatic secular "political religion", convince them, exploiting the spiritual and psychological voids existing in such susceptible souls as you find on a forum like this one.

So rational thought is replaced with intense emotional group identity.

And as part of this group identity you all chime together your little phrases and dogma like “race realism”, and reinforce in each other the fictions about what your opponents think about such issues as abortion etc.

Which is absolutely the opposite of what I’m talking about and trying to get you to see.

 

[Roc_]

Apologies I mis-typed. The mantra is actually:

“Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white”

(Noting I didn’t label it a mantra. White supremacists themselves explicitly labelled it “the mantra” and broadcast it throughout the internet as such).

But we might read “the mantra” another way.

We might read from the mantra that it is in fact these “anti-racists” who called themselves anti-racists as a code word among themselves - when they were really set upon being “anti-white” in Bob Whitaker’s sense.

Which is the same as your sense of course.

But Jambo consider the term anti racist was popularised in the 1970’s and I myself came to hear it in the 1980’s

We heard earlier that we learn what things are in the doing them - which “is the best of languages”.

Now I would have been a young fan of the Specials who were considered a leading “anti-racist” group. But what were these anti racists DOING Jambo?

Was there any sign of them doing what you and Bob Whitaker insinuate they were doing?

Could you answer that for me please?

To help you in this, if you refer to the music thread you’ll see I posted one of their most famous anti-racist songs there, close to the end of the thread.

Tell me were they singing about? What was their motive? Explain to me how it was what you call anti white?

 

[The Equalizer]

This tangent is actually on topic because part of Jambo’s dogma apparently is that those who are “pro-abortion” are also pro “anti-white” and pro “white genocide”.

Can you stop lying for 5 seconds?

Yes, you could argue that abortion is among a myriad of factors that contribute to a below replacement fertility rate.

But I don't think of it (abortion) as anti-white in and of itself. Nor do I believe that wypipo should be in a fertility race with any other race.

AI:

The "Mantra" is a short, 221-word essay popularized by the late white supremacist Bob Whitaker. It claims that terms like "anti-racist" are code words for "anti-white" and that multiculturalism and diversity policies are deliberate attempts to cause "white genocide".


From wiki:

“… White nationalist Robert Whitaker, who coined the phrase "anti-racist is a code word for anti-white" in a widely circulated 2006 piece (above) seeking to popularize the white genocide concept online, used "anti-White" to describe those he believed are responsible for the genocide of white people, and continued to view it as a Jewish conspiracy while emphasizing that others also supported the "anti-White" cause…”.

White genocide conspiracy theory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yet you claim you never heard of him, entailing

you have no idea where your ideas and language actually originated?

I do. My ideas come from me.

Once again, you're playing your same, old tired shite.. People can't think for themselves.. They're being led astray by pied pipers transmitting their message via the underwater, transatlantic sea cables..

For the love of God, would you ever shut up, you fucken loo-lah

 

[Roc_]

I do. My ideas come from me.

No Jambo, they didn’t.

Listen, you fancy yourself as a bit of a probability theorist, don’t you.

So do you want to take a stab at the probability that you came up with the exact same “mantra” as Bob Whitaker did in 2006?

 

[The Equalizer]

No Jambo, they didn’t.

Yes, they do

What does it matter if someone else agrees with me, or I agree with them?

Anti-white is a simple, compound word. "Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white" is a slogan you seem equally baffled by.

Listen, you fancy yourself as a bit of a probability theorist, don’t you.

So do you want to take a stab at the probability that you came up with the exact same “mantra” as Bob Whitaker did in 2006?

 

[Roc_]

Jambo you’re trying to pull me down another of your rabbit holes trying to argue what is obviously an absurdity. There is a well documented history of your movement. You didn’t come up with any of this stuff on your own.

The History of the "Anti-White" Victim Mantra of White Supremacy

'"Anti-racism is anti-white' is the old and explosive mantra of avowed white supremacists. It has been their organizing vehicle, fueling their rage, fueling their backlashes, fueling their delusions."

www.historynewsnetwork.org

 

[The Equalizer]

Apologies I mis-typed. The mantra is actually:

“Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white”

(Noting I didn’t label it a mantra. White supremacists themselves explicitly labelled it “the mantra” and broadcast it throughout the internet as such).

But we might read “the mantra” another way.

We might read from the mantra that it is in fact these “anti-racists” who called themselves anti-racists as a code word among themselves - when they were really set upon being “anti-white” in Bob Whitaker’s sense.

Which is the same as your sense of course.

But Jambo consider the term anti racist was popularised in the 1970’s and I myself came to hear it in the 1980’s

We heard earlier that we learn what things are in the doing them - which “is the best of languages”.

Now I would have been a young fan of the Specials who were considered a leading “anti-racist” group. But what were these anti racists DOING Jambo?

Was there any sign of them doing what you and Bob Whitaker insinuate they were doing?

Could you answer that for me please?

To help you in this, if you refer to the music thread you’ll see I posted one of their most famous anti-racist songs there, close to the end of the thread.

Tell me were they singing about? What was their motive? Explain to me how it was what you call anti white?

It's obvious that someone could come up with the "mantra" - Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white, not least because it's so typical of bullshit leftist terminology.

Leftist terminology codes - killing babies in the womb as health care (lord, give me strength). Or another one - reproductive rights

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

So much bullshit as always.

Please don't attack the Site owner. He's allowing you post repeated attacks against his Site and its membership.

 

[Roc_]

Please don't attack the Site owner.

I have not done that. (That was referring to Jambo's post obviously).

FFs, saying anything anyway negative towards @Declan in the past has simply resulted in deletion of all my posts on the site.

So since I desire to present the opposing case, present a defence, I have to tread a very careful line, in truth.

He's allowing you post repeated attacks against his Site and its membership.

Anything that I have posted is far, far in the second place to the lies that certain institutionalised fuckwits have directed at me on this forum.

For instance this thread was to make clear what are the real drivers and motivations of people who thought the 1983 amendment fully deserved to be thrown into the dustbin of history etc.

Did you read what these halfwits tried to insist must be the drivers and motivations of it? Did you take in their stream of mongo like strawmen? E.g.

Roc... warmly invited to explain to us how wonderful abortion is and how many abortions their sex partners have had Baby killing enthusiasts... ensure that your post has at least some baby-killing content.

What’s your preferred method of killing unborn babies @Roc. ? Are you an old style vivisection kinda guy or more of a suction or chemical abortion type guy?

Are you tucking into a tasty meal of fried babies' hearts with garnish of brains? There are reports from China that they serve up deep fried unborn babies in some restaurants. They reccommend it for curing certain minor medical conditions.

Come on Roc, tell us why you're such a fan of abortion? How many did you have? Did they work out well for you? Which method do you prefer? Did you dance the abortion jig at Dublin castle? Explain why you love killing unborn babies so much. Is it a religious thing? The Jews boast that abortion is a Jewish sacrament. Is it a Proddie rights/United Ireland thing? A Hindu enthusiast thing? Enlighten us.

Do you go along with that? You at least have the wit to discern at some level why they feel they have to say these things to themselves.

So should I just take it lying down, not put up any defence?

Actually that's a common theme on this forum - that your victims should not put up any defence to you.

Do you go along with it Myles, putting aside your shit stirring for one minute?

 

[Roc_]

This got a great reception at the Galway Film Fleadh

Catherine Corless film premieres in Galway​

I wonder would it be possible if we could have a special Sarsfield's film fleadh screening of it?

I mean some way we can all watch it together with live forum text communication (so Sarsfield's contributors can communicate about how the film is affecting them, and they can be given support if needed).

Is that a workable idea?

 

[Hermit]

This got a great reception at the Galway Film Fleadh

Catherine Corless film premieres in Galway​

I wonder would it be possible if we could have a special Sarsfield's film fleadh screening of it?

I mean some way we can all watch it together with live forum text communication (so Sarsfield's contributors can communicate about how the film is affecting them, and they can be given support if needed).

Is that a workable idea?

Of course the crusty arts clowns in Galway loved their libtard propaganda, that's why they made the film and why it was shown at the film festival. Interesting to see our media regulator Coimisiún na Meán was one of the producers/funders. I'm sure they wouldn't fund an anti-abortion film or pro-church film, and certainly the Galway Film Fleadh crusties wouldn't screen it.

• Libtards make pro-Left propaganda film
• Libtard-run film festivals screen it
• Libtard film reviewers and media hype it up
• Libtard film festivals and film awards programmes give all the top awards to film
• Libtards boast about all the awards (self-awarded) their film received

This was also interesting but not surprising to me:

Writers

• Dan Barry
• Frank Berry
• Rebecca Lenkiewicz

Lenkiewicz, eh?

Lenkiewicz was born in Plymouth, Devon, to Celia Mills and Peter Quint, a playwright. Her stepfather is the artist Robert Lenkiewicz.[3]

Robert Lenkiewicz was born in London in 1941, the son of refugees who ran a Jewish hotel in Fordwych Road.

Here's another for your jargon collection: Every. Single. Time.

Director's previous film by the way:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14397058

Kept in limbo for years in Ireland's immigration system, Aisha Osagie develops a close friendship with former prisoner Conor Healy, but it might be short-lived as Aisha's future in Ireland comes under threat.

 

[Tiger]

Of course the crusty arts clowns in Galway loved their libtard propaganda, that's why they made the film and why it was shown at the film festival. Interesting to see our media regulator Coimisiún na Meán was one of the producers/funders. I'm sure they wouldn't fund an anti-abortion film or pro-church film, and certainly the Galway Film Fleadh crusties wouldn't screen it.

• Libtards make pro-Left propaganda film
• Libtard-run film festivals screen it
• Libtard film reviewers and media hype it up
• Libtard film festivals and film awards programmes give all the top awards to film
• Libtards boast about all the awards (self-awarded) their film received

This was also interesting but not surprising to me:

Lenkiewicz, eh?



Here's another for your jargon collection: Every. Single. Time.

Director's previous film by the way:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14397058

Spot on observations.

Has there been any Irish made film from the past 30-40 years that isn't propaganda of some sorts?

The funding for Irish made films appears that it's compulsory that the subject matter is completely miserable, that it HAS to be anti-Catholic and must be graded to appear as doom and gloom as possible. No doubt that this film is 95% fiction.

I watched 'Small Things like These' with shitlib luvvie - Cillian Murphy the other day. More Irish shitlib misery porn.

 

[Roc_]

When does life begin?

Under the 1950's style catholic totalitarianism we had in this country the question was more often when did life end. For many of these women sent to these mother and baby homes, boys and girls to industrial schools, or who grew up in the orphanages, or other of these type of Irish institutions, their lives ended in a significant manner once they walked through those doors.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVt7EoehaRk

 

[The Equalizer]

 

[Hermit]

Has there been any Irish made film from the past 30-40 years that isn't propaganda of some sorts?

Actually there is one Irish film I would highly recommend: An Cailín Ciúin. Set in rural Ireland in the 80s, a simple story without any political shite. Irish language with subtitles. Beautifully written and directed, with understated acting from the lead actress Carrie Crowley and a story about family that gradually builds to an emotional ending.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15109082

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGWyqty2m-A

 

[céline]

im in favour of abortion in certain situations such as interracial rape but generally speaking im against it because it represents the fourth estate of politics; Communism