Space Travel

[Coal Gas and peat]

Elon will send the chains with his ship to tow that piece of shit boeing back to earth ......it has probably slipped the timing two teeth or else they boiled it and the heads fucked
space X taxi and recovery service to the rescue

 

[Wolf]

Astronauts are stuck on the space station because their crsppy ship is lying outside the space station broke down , they were only supposed to stay 8 days but their pan has let them down .......Elon is sending his ship to rescue them but it might take to next February

DEI is great all the same.
Ever since Boeing started hiring people by the colour of their skin and not by how well qualified they are things have gone to shit.
It's the same in a lot of areas.

 

[Mad as Fish]

DEI is great all the same.
Ever since Boeing started hiring people by the colour of their skin and not by how well qualified they are things have gone to shit.
It's the same in a lot of areas.

I should imagine a tranny on the production line objected to those door bolts being described as male so didn't fit them in a hissy fit of indignation.

 

[valamhic]

So is there any word of them gong back to the moon? Watch Trump. If he never mentions going back he has been told. If he mentions going back he was not told. My Trump watcher says he never mentions it at rallies. If he mentions it they will make sure he loses or will be killed. If he does not mention it he could win the election . All candidates are assessed for corruption. Trump really thought they went. NASA wants to hear no more of it. They never went and never will
They are part of the deep state

 

[valamhic]

Does anyone here believe men walked on the moon? Please do not abuse anyone who believes it. I am sure it was all faked. It is impossible now and was impossible 54 years ago

 

[Coal Gas and peat]

Does anyone here believe men walked on the moon? Please do not abuse anyone who believes it.

I do not believe

 

[clarke-connolly]

Does anyone here believe men walked on the moon? Please do not abuse anyone who believes it. I am sure it was all faked. It is impossible now and was impossible 54 years ago

Surely ~ ~ They would have brought back some Cheese ! ! !

 

[Mad as Fish]

Actually, if you are remotely interested in this, the Boeing issues stem from the change in working culture that came directly from the merger with McDonnell Douglas.

Yeah yeah yeah, that's the story anyway.

 

[Declan]

I saw a video of the rescue craft yesterday and they are all set. I will link in a second

 

[Declan]

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/NfoqMDvF6II?si=Jxj87-xrL1Z2k5CZ

 

[Declan]

Lassies sister Laika will round them up

 

[Coal Gas and peat]

The valves have to be changed in the boeing no way they can do that up there .......it's gonna have to be just pushed off the lot to clear the parking bay for Elon

 

[Wolf]

DEI is great....

These deficiencies “are largely due to the lack of a sufficient number of trained and experienced aerospace workers at Boeing,” the report continued, citing one example of how the company’s “inexperienced technicians” were unable to weld a fuel tank in accordance with NASA standards. This shoddy welding directly led to a seven-month delay in the development of the rocket’s upper stage.

“Boeing’s process to address deficiencies to date has been ineffective, and the company has generally been nonresponsive in taking corrective actions when the same quality control issues reoccur,” the report declared.

Boeing rockets built by inexperienced workers – NASA

Poor workmanship at aerospace giant Boeing’s Louisiana factory could delay the next moon landing, NASA’s inspector general has found

www.rt.com

 

[Mad as Fish]

DEI is great....

These deficiencies “are largely due to the lack of a sufficient number of trained and experienced aerospace workers at Boeing,” the report continued, citing one example of how the company’s “inexperienced technicians” were unable to weld a fuel tank in accordance with NASA standards. This shoddy welding directly led to a seven-month delay in the development of the rocket’s upper stage.

“Boeing’s process to address deficiencies to date has been ineffective, and the company has generally been nonresponsive in taking corrective actions when the same quality control issues reoccur,” the report declared.

Boeing rockets built by inexperienced workers – NASA

Poor workmanship at aerospace giant Boeing’s Louisiana factory could delay the next moon landing, NASA’s inspector general has found

www.rt.com

When a huge corporation like Boeing lowers its engineering standards can it ever recover them? I'd say not, certainly over the short to medium term, it's going to take years to get that drive for perfection back and will take a huge corporate shake up with engineers rather than moneymen in charge.

 

[valamhic]

When a huge corporation like Boeing lowers its engineering standards can it ever recover them? I'd say not, certainly over the short to medium term, it's going to take years to get that drive for perfection back and will take a huge corporate shake up with engineers rather than moneymen in charge.

It's a risk flying on them, but you get free perfume voucher, sexy female staff, non binary hostesses and the pilot is a big black mamma with huge boots while the learner Co pilot is learning and deciding his gender.

 

[A Man Called Charolais]

Boeing has really screwed up here. They have had huge problems with Starliner, and on top of the 737 MAX fiasco, their reputation is trashed. (Lots of concern about the 787 too).

So they have been docked at ISS for 68 out of a supposed maximum of 90 days. I'm not sure the 90 days is a hard limit for Starliner but once reached they will have to somehow cast it adrift as the same docking port is needed for a SpaceX.

Here's an update from Scott Manley, who's back Taiga side.

​

The maneuvering thrusters have a seal that expanded due to overheating and so blocked the oxygen supply. This means they can't get the capsule safely away from the space station so it's stuck. Another problem is a CrowdStrike moment, with their software not tested for autonomous return (only for return with human pilots) which means they can't bring it back to Earth intact without a big update of unproven software. SpaceX, in the meantime, are planning to catch a gigantic friggin' booster in their next test of the Starship system.

Apparently the aforementioned seal was fitted by a subcontractor but the testing was in Boeing's purview. Manley suggests that they're going to pass the buck (again), which may be the reason why the issue happened in the first place. Still, he's all for having a go (must be the dourness creeping back in).

Looks like Boeing has fallen a couple of tiers in the aerospace industry, with critical problems with the 737 Max passenger plane (software and build quality). It's a tremendous tragedy that it's become a second world outfit.

The McDonnell Douglas merger happened back in 1997. The explanation to your claim is a collapse in morale (as per a Netflix's documentary). That's 27 years ago. Manley alludes to this obliquely in his report. McDD created the F15, the C17 and the Hornet so hardly a shabby outfit.

Boeing has 170,000 employees and they've been losing money since 2019 according to Wikipedia (although the situation is improving). I wonder if they make missiles too? Looks like that the F15 is an old reliable that will be called on again if there is something kinetic in the USN's short to medium term future as the F35 is underperforming mission readiness metrics.

This again.


https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/06/01/complex-systems-wont-survive-the-competence-crisis/

 

[A Man Called Charolais]

There's a big difference in approach for military and commercial projects, and the working cultures associated with each. See the DC-10


View: https://youtu.be/nCbHpJShoXk?si=ZgcUdlPvvDJrfqs4

Can't say I know too much about this ,and I've no interest really although the pilot guy in the video is often interesting. This merger was over 25 years ago and you'd imagine that they should have gotten it sorted out by now. That's not an acceptable explanation.

I am interested in space travel. SpaceX is evidence of what is possible. I don't follow Irish politics anymore, but I do keep an eye on what's happening in the US as geostability relies on it. The competency problem is a real one that hopefully will be addressed one of these days. There's a lot of traffic in the way of it at present though. Boeing is a symptom.

I'm not sure that your point about cost sensitivity isn't a gripe about restrictions on free spending in the armaments industry. Boeing's problem is quality control, not cost control. If this function is not being properly funded then that's largely due to design, production and regulatory oversight not making the case for it. The present situation is a calamitous one for the company's leadership. Boeing is a pillar of American industry that is a strategic asset to the US. Absent their contribution America is significantly weakened.

This Starliner debacle is another disappointment that undermines profitability, innovation and confidence in the company.

 

[valamhic]

Is there any word at all about them going beyond low earth orbit? Just fly out 20k miles to start, next 50,000 miles. The moon is 230,000 miles. I don't hear a word.

 

[valamhic]

Note also that no nation intends going beyond low earth orbit. One would think the fact NASA went to the moon 53 years ago 6 times would instil confidence. Do the others not believe NASA.

 

[Mad as Fish]

There's a big difference in approach for military and commercial projects, and the working cultures associated with each. See the DC-10


View: https://youtu.be/nCbHpJShoXk?si=ZgcUdlPvvDJrfqs4

Yeah yeah yeah, plenty of youtube stuff laying the blame on something that happened a quarter of a century ago, who's paying for all that, Boeing?

The company has had plenty of time to get its act together but with moneymen in charge instead of engineers there's always going to be tears.

 

[Declan]

There is a high orbit coming soon, 400 miles

 

[Declan]

August 26 , 4 people

 

[Mad as Fish]

The story about the merger was that McDD "bought Boeing with Boeing's money". Their execs took over the merged company and espoused the philosophy of Jack Welch, elevating shareholder value over everything else. That had a crippling effect on Boeings engineer first approach in the long term. They also moved production from Seattle to more corporate friendly and less worker friendly states, with predictable consequences. For example the quality control issues on 787s out of South Carolina are notorious. Outsourcing was also another bad decision, hurting both the 787 and 737 MAX programs. They also spent a lot of money on stock buybacks instead of completing new designs, like a 737 replacement (Yellowstone Y1).

Boeing didn't so much lose their way but became instead a bigger McDD.

Your handlers have been busy again!

 

[jpc]

Does anyone here believe men walked on the moon? Please do not abuse anyone who believes it. I am sure it was all faked. It is impossible now and was impossible 54 years ago

They did!

 

[jpc]

When a huge corporation like Boeing lowers its engineering standards can it ever recover them? I'd say not, certainly over the short to medium term, it's going to take years to get that drive for perfection back and will take a huge corporate shake up with engineers rather than moneymen in charge.

100% correct !
Going to take a decade and a half.
The engineers were replaced with bean counters and MBA wasters to keep the stock holders happy.
Screw the engineering reputation.
On a smaller scale.
Have a read what is happening with Harley Davidson.

 

[jpc]

Here's an update from Scott Manley, who's back Taiga side.

​

The maneuvering thrusters have a seal that expanded due to overheating and so blocked the oxygen supply. This means they can't get the capsule safely away from the space station so it's stuck. Another problem is a CrowdStrike moment, with their software not tested for autonomous return (only for return with human pilots) which means they can't bring it back to Earth intact without a big update of unproven software. SpaceX, in the meantime, are planning to catch a gigantic friggin' booster in their next test of the Starship system.

Apparently the aforementioned seal was fitted by a subcontractor but the testing was in Boeing's purview. Manley suggests that they're going to pass the buck (again), which may be the reason why the issue happened in the first place. Still, he's all for having a go (must be the dourness creeping back in).

Looks like Boeing has fallen a couple of tiers in the aerospace industry, with critical problems with the 737 Max passenger plane (software and build quality). It's a tremendous tragedy that it's become a second world outfit.

The McDonnell Douglas merger happened back in 1997. The explanation to your claim is a collapse in morale (as per a Netflix's documentary). That's 27 years ago. Manley alludes to this obliquely in his report. McDD created the F15, the C17 and the Hornet so hardly a shabby outfit.

Boeing has 170,000 employees and they've been losing money since 2019 according to Wikipedia (although the situation is improving). I wonder if they make missiles too? Looks like that the F15 is an old reliable that will be called on again if there is something kinetic in the USN's short to medium term future as the F35 is underperforming mission readiness metrics.

This again.


https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/06/01/complex-systems-wont-survive-the-competence-crisis/

All very relevant observations regarding Boeings competence and credibility disasters because that's surely what they are.
One thing
F15 is a land operated jet .
The hornet F18 is the naval all purpose jet.

 

[valamhic]

They did!

Anyone else NASA landed even one man on the moon surface 50 plus years ago?

 

[Wolf]

Anyone else NASA landed even one man on the moon surface 50 plus years ago?

The Arizona desert is a great setting....

 

[Mad as Fish]

100% correct !
Going to take a decade and a half.
The engineers were replaced with bean counters and MBA wasters to keep the stock holders happy.
Screw the engineering reputation.
On a smaller scale.
Have a read what is happening with Harley Davidson.

Just caught up on the HD situation and read that the German lad in charge wants the bikes to be all electric by 2030!!!

What is it with Germany and industrial suicide of late? I'm no great fan of Harleys, but FFS, they are all about big V twins and 500 miles a day on the interstate. An electric Harley is like a fellow with his balls chopped off..... Oh hang on......

 

[jpc]

Just caught up on the HD situation and read that the German lad in charge wants the bikes to be all electric by 2030!!!

What is it with Germany and industrial suicide of late? I'm no great fan of Harleys, but FFS, they are all about big V twins and 500 miles a day on the interstate. An electric Harley is like a fellow with his balls chopped off..... Oh hang on......

Saw his introduction.
A fkin woke idiot.
No passion for the machine and why its an icon.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Saw his introduction.
A fkin woke idiot.
No passion for the machine and why its an icon.

Exactly so.

He'd need to be careful, there are particular groups of HD enthusiats who might not appreciate having to stop for a recharge while off to kick seven seas of shite out of some fellow HD enthusiasts.

 

[jpc]

Exactly so.

He'd need to be careful, there are particular groups of HD enthusiats who might not appreciate having to stop for a recharge while off to kick seven seas of shite out of some fellow HD enthusiasts.

Indians it is then!
And those new 1250 HDs are pretty impressive.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Indians it is then!
And those new 1250 HDs are pretty impressive.

Can’t see that happening, that would be a cultural shock too far. Haven’t Indians got quality problems of their own? I hear that reliability can be hit and miss.

 

[jpc]

Can’t see that happening, that would be a cultural shock too far. Haven’t Indians got quality problems of their own? I hear that reliability can be hit and miss.

Haven't heard much about Indian quality issue's being that poor.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Haven't heard much about Indian quality issue's being that poor.

I gather it's the electronics (80% of modern car faults are apparently). They were bought in from a third party and India itself don't really know what they are dealing with. True, these are just stories I have picked up from the web but there is a pattern to them.

 

[jpc]

I gather it's the electronics (80% of modern car faults are apparently). They were bought in from a third party and India itself don't really know what they are dealing with. True, these are just stories I have picked up from the web but there is a pattern to them.

KTM seem to have plenty of similar issues.

 

[Mad as Fish]

KTM seem to have plenty of similar issues.

BMW are not immune either. Despite the popularity of the GS series I hear that they may not always be counted on to get you home, and that's from a couple of (non BMW) dealers. Not a fan of the GS myself TBH.

 

[jpc]

BMW are not immune either. Despite the popularity of the GS series I hear that they may not always be counted on to get you home, and that's from a couple of (non BMW) dealers. Not a fan of the GS myself TBH.

Again electronics everywhere.
The ABS in the older 2004 2008 was a disaster.
And the electronic throttle response is prone to issues In the newer machines.
All that said.
Massive good fun bikes to ride.
Especially the r9t and r1200 /2250 r bikes.

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

I gather it's the electronics (80% of modern car faults are apparently). They were bought in from a third party and India itself don't really know what they are dealing with. True, these are just stories I have picked up from the web but there is a pattern to them.

The Youtuber, Uncle Tony's Garage, talks a lot about the disaster that the hyper-electronification and computer modulation of cars has been for mechanics. He explains how the shift has made diagnosing problems near impossible and exponentially expensive, as now only the dealerships have the equipment. The quality drop in parts is also causing major issues.

 

[valamhic]

Haven't heard much about Indian quality issue's being that poor.

Explain why the Chinese found Graphene in the moon samples which we know to the true and the Yanks found none in the 380 kg they say they took back?