The causes behind the new Catholic Revival

Diarmuid said:
Nonsense. A deliberate lie. Tut, tut, tut. But I do invite anyone who has heard of bad behaviour by Kerala Christians to share it. AFAIK, they behave much better than their fellow ethnics from the sub-Continent. My hypothesis is that the practice of the simple, pro-honesty philosophy of Christianity for 2,000 years has made the Kerala Christians much more honest than their fellow ethnics.There must be a couple of dodgy Indian Christians in Ireland. But so far nobody can cite a single case. There were Kerala Christians on the anti-refugee rally in Knock last year. When the Great Deportations come, the Kerala Christians will happily volunteer to help. They have detailed knowledge of the dark side of Hinduism, Islam and Judaism. They will braid their own whips, just as JC did, as they prepare to round up the screaming Hindus, the roaring Muslims and the sobbing Dindoos.Your gripe at the "Middle Eastern" origin of Christianity is farcical. Sure didn't the Gael originate in the Middle East? Why is Galilee named after the Gael? Lots of useful stuff came from that area. Should we give up goats and donkeys beacuse of their Middle East origin?Your mobile phone is owned and monitored by Israelis from the Middle East. But you use it twenty or thirty times a day, am I right?Judaism hates Jesus with a passion. Anytime I notice a strong dislike of Christianity, I look for Jewish influence. There is a strong Jewish influence in the monoglot English speaking neo-Pagan scene in Ireland.Are you sure that your Israeli owned and monitored mobile phone is not a source for your dislike of JC? Do you have Norman or Cromwellian or Viking ancestry? No offence meant, just curious.In fairness, I have heard one bad story about a Filipino - drugs and big dogs. But only one bad story. Does anyone else have a story about a bad Filipino?We can presume Seek the Fair Land has not one single bad story about a Fillipino or Keralan. Does anybody else?Obviously, we don't need foreign Christians, no matter how good they are, to act as scab labour in Ireland, and I ask you not to dishonestly suggest that I promote that.
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The Nordie is no Jew Sir. I can guarantee you that.
 
In the Church for Easter vigil mass the priest said at the end that "something big is happening", meaning not just the increase in numbers but also the quality of confessions, i.e. people sincerely coming back to the faith.

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scolairebocht said:
In the Church for Easter vigil mass the priest said at the end that "something big is happening", meaning not just the increase in numbers but also the quality of confessions, i.e. people sincerely coming back to the faith.

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Well, I went to mass in Drimnagh yesterday and the church was half full - and the average age of those in attendance was about 80. The only young people were foreign.
 
Aldo3 said:
Well, I went to mass in Drimnagh yesterday and the church was half full - and the average age of those in attendance was about 80. The only young people were foreign.
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Sounds like a typical Novus Ordo church?
 
Its happening all over the world:
"Last night at the Easter Vigil, 21,386 people were baptized into the Catholic Church across France. A new record. The second record year in a row.

In 2025 the number was already a record at 17,788. This year it rose to 21,386. Ten years ago in 2016 the number was just over 4,100. It has more than tripled in a decade.

42% of those baptized are aged 18 to 25. Another 40% are aged 26 to 40. This is not an older generation returning to the faith of their childhood. These are young people choosing it for the first time."
 
scolairebocht said:
Its happening all over the world:
"Last night at the Easter Vigil, 21,386 people were baptized into the Catholic Church across France. A new record. The second record year in a row.

In 2025 the number was already a record at 17,788. This year it rose to 21,386. Ten years ago in 2016 the number was just over 4,100. It has more than tripled in a decade.

42% of those baptized are aged 18 to 25. Another 40% are aged 26 to 40. This is not an older generation returning to the faith of their childhood. These are young people choosing it for the first time."
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and what country were they from?
 
You will find they were French people, indeed its shocked some out there because so many French boast about their secular roots.
 
scolairebocht said:
Its happening all over the world:
"Last night at the Easter Vigil, 21,386 people were baptized into the Catholic Church across France. A new record. The second record year in a row.

In 2025 the number was already a record at 17,788. This year it rose to 21,386. Ten years ago in 2016 the number was just over 4,100. It has more than tripled in a decade.

42% of those baptized are aged 18 to 25. Another 40% are aged 26 to 40. This is not an older generation returning to the faith of their childhood. These are young people choosing it for the first time."
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Over 100,000 were baptised at the Easter Vigil in the US.
 
Some gossip from Brazil:
"As I mentioned in another discussion, there has been a true Catholic revival across Brazil. Last year, the most-watched streamer in the country was a Carmelite friar and preacher who prays the Rosary daily at 4:00 a.m. alongside millions of people. Even celebrities have been willing to take part in this spiritual practice. A few years ago, such a scenario would have seemed highly unlikely, especially since many people viewed the Rosary as a tiring prayer, more associated with the elderly.
In light of all this, I think it’s fair to say that televangelism and online streaming tools have been essential to the Catholic renewal in Brazil. I hope that something similar will one day take place in the United States and throughout Europe."






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Look at these Retards.. they're clear where they're getting their new recruits from. And of course they recognise that their actual god is the big green Free Mason godess in NY.

 
From Lifesite news.

What is wrong with war? Is it that some men, who are bound to die eventually, die now so that those who are defeated can be governed in peace? To object to that is a sign of men who are cowardly rather than religious. What is wrong in war is an eagerness to cause harm, a cruel vengeance, a remorseless and uncontrollable spirit, a rebellious wildness, a desire to dominate, and other things of that sort. (St Augustine)


This is the true Catholic position. The existence of war is an evil, and often brings about further evils, but those who are attacked by the unjust nonetheless have the right to defend themselves. Indeed, taking part in such a defense is often morally obligatory. (Matthew McCusker)

I feel a Crusade coming on.

But first we need Cardinal Sara as Pope. He is black as the ace of spades and he has publicly mocked those who twist the words of Jesus to promote the multicultural mass immigration madness.

The first black Pope will support the mass deportations of Africans back to Africa. He will man the anti-aircraft gun on the first Armada ship to land in Palestine.
 
This revitalised Church are surely doing God's Work.

If Europeans wont worship properly and pay for the upkeep of the Church, we will import those who will.




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Catholic Church hails Spain’s new amnesty that will regularise 500,000 migrants

Spain’s 27 January royal decree will allow roughly half a million undocumented migrants to obtain legal residence and work rights. The Catholic Church, a prime mover behind the citizens’ initiative, welcomed the measure as an economic and moral boon, while right-wing parties condemned it...
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Catholic Church hails Spain’s new amnesty that will regularise 500,000 migrants​

Feb 12, 2026

For Spain’s Catholic Church, which helped collect more than 700,000 signatures for the underlying citizens’ initiative, the decree is the culmination of four years of ecumenical lobbying. The Spanish Episcopal Conference called the move an “act of social justice”, arguing that regularisation will both protect vulnerable workers and plug gaps in the labour market as unemployment falls below 10 percent for the first time since 2008. Analysts at the Bank of Spain and the IMF likewise note that immigrants already account for a disproportionate share of GDP growth and social-security contributions
 
Did you hear about the attempted Mulim march through Dublin last year? A mob of trad Christians formed and blocked them. No priest involved, just Christian lay people.

It is outrageous that the Spanish bishops are supporting this - they are probably compromised freemason homosexuals.
 
The Catholics can't have it both ways. They come out with this conspiracy that the Church has been infiltrated, that the Pope isnt really the proper Pope. If anything he's an employee of WEF.

Yet they are delighted that the infiltrated and WEF led Church is being revived with numerous converts and new bums on seats. Surely this is thanks to this leadership and not due to the obscurantism of some SSPX malcontents
 
Converts are more trad than born Catholics. Carrie Prejean Boller is only a convert a year or two and she is picking a fight with two top bishops. She's calling them out as effeminate homosexuals. Very funny exchange online.

Every convert knows that the USP of Christianity is the Whipping (of the Jews) in the Temple. Every convert to catholicism venerates St Hugh of Lincoln and St Simon of Trent.

If you nose, you nose. Na h-abair tada.
 
SeekTheFairLand said:
The Catholics can't have it both ways. They come out with this conspiracy that the Church has been infiltrated, that the Pope isnt really the proper Pope. If anything he's an employee of WEF.

Yet they are delighted that the infiltrated and WEF led Church is being revived with numerous converts and new bums on seats. Surely this is thanks to this leadership and not due to the obscurantism of some SSPX malcontents
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But hardly anybody thinks that the current leadership has anything to do with the current revival, in fact the 'leadership' wouldn't claim that themselves, either in Rome or in Ireland. The whole atmosphere among that leadership is a kind managed decline, they are almost embarassed to see this surge.

I think the opening page here might be as good a shot as any at guessing the real reasons.

Remember the Catholic Church is in the supernatural business, as such the true head of the Catholic Church is Our Lord, maybe He has something to do with it!
 
scolairebocht said:
But hardly anybody thinks that the current leadership has anything to do with the current revival, in fact the 'leadership' wouldn't claim that themselves, either in Rome or in Ireland. The whole atmosphere among that leadership is a kind managed decline, they are almost embarassed to see this surge.

I think the opening page here might be as good a shot as any at guessing the real reasons.

Remember the Catholic Church is in the supernatural business, as such the true head of the Catholic Church is Our Lord, maybe He has something to do with it!
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So the revival is in spite of the globalist espoused by the leadership? When people vote FF or FG or SF, the leadership and policies dont enter the equation? Come on. It's hard not to see that this revival is an endorsement of the message of the current Church leadership. The revival is no more than the Woke At Prayer or Spiritual Trump Derangment
 
SeekTheFairLand said:
So the revival is in spite of the globalist espoused by the leadership? When people vote FF or FG or SF, the leadership and policies dont enter the equation? Come on. It's hard not to see that this revival is an endorsement of the message of the current Church leadership. The revival is no more than the Woke At Prayer or Spiritual Trump Derangment
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Thats definitely the case Seek, it has nothing to do with the current leadership.

For example in Ireland they are busy closing down Dioceses and going on about 'Synodality', meaning they are hoping to copy the Anglican way of dissapearing into oblivion, but you would never hear anybody say these things have helped this surge.

Remember the Church isn't a political party, simply put, its the truth. Its a bit like its a truth to say if you borrow money from a bank you have to pay it back. You could spend years, decades, living the highlife on borrowed money but that 'truth' will come back to hit you in the end.

The truth is you have a soul, which would like to get to heaven, and is impeded in such progress by sin and demons and what have you. That is the real world, that is the truth of your existence, and while you could spend decades ignoring it or fighting it, in the long run the truth will catch up with you.
 
MSM are bigging up Pope Leo because he is criticising Trump.

Leo is talking shocking nonsense, saying that Jesus didn't like swords and implying that there is no such thing as a just war. Jesus loved swords. He was OK with war too, as long as it was for a good cause and you don't enjoy it too much. This new pope is a total heretic.

They are also reporting respectfully from Moya Brennan's funeral, RIP. 300 in the Catholic church and the same outside. Lots of music. Even Bono is there. Let's hope a drop of Holy Water lands on him - watch the smoke rise.


BTW, any detail on the priest in Athlone who was blessing the protestors?

It's possible that quite a few of the converts may be fake. They are using their membership for their own ends.
 
Tiger / Bocht, something I've been wondering about.

When the Irish church was awash with money, say the best part of the 20th Century and perhaps a bit before, how come they never built a proper Cathedral in Dublin?

There were loads of derelict sites and crumbling buildings awaiting destruction in the centre of the city meaning there were numerous sites to chose from. At least one would've been ideal I'm sure.

They had the money to build a resplendent Cathedral to rival any on the Continent but they continued to use St Mary's down a back street lane.

Was it because it would be formally ceding Christchurcn and St Patrick's to the Anglican church and if so wasn't that an act of folly?
 
There were plans to build a Cathedral in Merrion Square, which they owned too I think, but Archbishop McQuaide scuppered that because he thought it would be better to spend the money on Catholic schools and hospitals.
 
I don't know how the structre works but would they have been able to draw down a certain amount for such a project from Rome?
 
Myles O'Reilly said:
Tiger / Bocht, something I've been wondering about.

When the Irish church was awash with money, say the best part of the 20th Century and perhaps a bit before, how come they never built a proper Cathedral in Dublin?

There were loads of derelict sites and crumbling buildings awaiting destruction in the centre of the city meaning there were numerous sites to chose from. At least one would've been ideal I'm sure.

They had the money to build a resplendent Cathedral to rival any on the Continent but they continued to use St Mary's down a back street lane.

Was it because it would be formally ceding Christchurcn and St Patrick's to the Anglican church and if so wasn't that an act of folly?
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The cathedrals on the continent were also long term projects fully supported by a large army of the devout intent on glorifying god and seeking their own salvation, a mass movement that is hard to imagine in more recent times.

Chartres in particular was the fruit of an innate desire amongst the people of the region to build a symbol of their faith and there is an ecellent documentory here -
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au5uaxQZ1c0


What is most striking about this incredible building is that it uses the geometry of the square and compass rather than the divisions of the rule to establish the layout and proportion of the structure, resulting in a form of archtecture that is probably impossible to recreate today, yet it produces a magnificence that is quite mind blowing when close up.

Would any cathedral designed and built in 20th century Dublin compare? I doubt it, the egos of the designers and engineers would insist on them being recognised for their achievement and 'novel' ideas whereas those behind Chartres are completely anonymous and place the worship of God at the very centre of their desire to create the beautiful symmetry we see today.

Two further points arising from the documentory: The first is that it features Prof Keith Critchlow, a big buddy of Charlie boy, but still an interesting and informed commentator on the subject while it is also noted that once hooked, visitors will frequently return, and I am one of them for I find it an incredibly spiritual site.

Does Dublin itself have a spiritual point, or would it have been a case of just dumping it somewhere convenient?
 
I've watched that documentary Sir. Extremely informative.

Its hard not to believe in something divine when you experience such structures.

I get your point regarding 20th Century church architecture. A lot of churches built in the 60's and 70's, particularly in new housing estates, are nasty looking things. My local one resembles something more like a circus tent than a church.

They'd probably end up building a bigger version of something like St Michael's in Dun Laighaire which from the side looks like a World War Two bunker.
 
Yes unfortunately you are right, around that time and since there has been some very bad architecture, not just Church buildings. Just before that though the Catholic built some great buildings in Ireland, for example Galway and Mullingar Cathedrals.
 
Myles O'Reilly said:
I've watched that documentary Sir. Extremely informative.

Its hard not to believe in something divine when you experience such structures.

I get your point regarding 20th Century church architecture. A lot of churches built in the 60's and 70's, particularly in new housing estates, are nasty looking things. My local one resembles something more like a circus tent than a church.

They'd probably end up building a bigger version of something like St Michael's in Dun Laighaire which from the side looks like a World War Two bunker.
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Myles, you’re not wrong about the aesthetic problem; but it’s not accidental, and it’s not just about poor taste or tight budgets. What you’re seeing in those 1960s–70s churches is the architectural expression of a theological shift.

After the Second Vatican Council, the emphasis moved away from the sacred, transcendent, and sacrificial nature of the Mass toward something more horizontal, community-focused, simplified, and “modern.” Brutalist and functionalist architecture fit that new vision perfectly: stripped-down, utilitarian, almost deliberately anti-beautiful. Concrete boxes, low ceilings, circular seating; these weren’t just design choices, they reflected a new way of thinking about worship. The old language of mystery, hierarchy, and heavenward orientation was replaced with something closer to a meeting hall. New churches for a new religion.

That’s why so many of those churches feel, as you put it, like bunkers or tents, they were never really trying to evoke the divine in the way older churches did. It was purposeful.

If you want a stark contrast, look at Sagrada Família. It’s technically modern, but it’s rooted in a deeply Catholic imagination, organic, symbolic, reaching upward, saturated with meaning. It shows that “modern” doesn’t have to mean sterile. The problem wasn’t the century, it was the ideology driving the designs. Interestingly, the facade of the church that was done when Gaudi was alive is vastly superior the the modern facade on the other side of the building which was done after he died. The two fighting aesthetics/ideologies contained in one building.

And it wasn’t just the exteriors. The interiors were systematically altered too. Eamon Duffy in The Stripping of the Altars documents how, historically, the richness of Catholic worship; altars, statues, screens, devotions, was dismantled during earlier reform movements. What happened after the 1960s echoes that pattern: high altars removed, sanctuaries flattened, tabernacles sidelined. The focus shifted from sacrifice to assembly. In other words- Protestantism.

Even the layout of many modern sanctuaries, freestanding tables, the priest facing the people, emphasis on a central “meal”; has parallels that critics have long pointed out with non-Catholic ritual arrangements, including those found in Masonic-style gatherings. Whether one accepts that comparison or not, the visual and symbolic break from tradition is undeniable. Google - “do modern Catholic altars compare to Masonic temples” and see what comes up.

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Myles O'Reilly said:
I've watched that documentary Sir. Extremely informative.

Its hard not to believe in something divine when you experience such structures.

I get your point regarding 20th Century church architecture. A lot of churches built in the 60's and 70's, particularly in new housing estates, are nasty looking things. My local one resembles something more like a circus tent than a church.

They'd probably end up building a bigger version of something like St Michael's in Dun Laighaire which from the side looks like a World War Two bunker.
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Myles --whatever you took -can i have some --ill pay gladly .
your true mind has returned and it is lovely to read what you have to say .
when a man has enough spare horsepower in his mind to experience the divine --its a statement he has arrived.
welcome home .
 
Tiger said:
Myles, you’re not wrong about the aesthetic problem; but it’s not accidental, and it’s not just about poor taste or tight budgets. What you’re seeing in those 1960s–70s churches is the architectural expression of a theological shift.

After the Second Vatican Council, the emphasis moved away from the sacred, transcendent, and sacrificial nature of the Mass toward something more horizontal, community-focused, simplified, and “modern.” Brutalist and functionalist architecture fit that new vision perfectly: stripped-down, utilitarian, almost deliberately anti-beautiful. Concrete boxes, low ceilings, circular seating; these weren’t just design choices, they reflected a new way of thinking about worship. The old language of mystery, hierarchy, and heavenward orientation was replaced with something closer to a meeting hall. New churches for a new religion.

That’s why so many of those churches feel, as you put it, like bunkers or tents, they were never really trying to evoke the divine in the way older churches did. It was purposeful.

If you want a stark contrast, look at Sagrada Família. It’s technically modern, but it’s rooted in a deeply Catholic imagination, organic, symbolic, reaching upward, saturated with meaning. It shows that “modern” doesn’t have to mean sterile. The problem wasn’t the century, it was the ideology driving the designs. Interestingly, the facade of the church that was done when Gaudi was alive is vastly superior the the modern facade on the other side of the building which was done after he died. The two fighting aesthetics/ideologies contained in one building.

And it wasn’t just the exteriors. The interiors were systematically altered too. Eamon Duffy in The Stripping of the Altars documents how, historically, the richness of Catholic worship; altars, statues, screens, devotions, was dismantled during earlier reform movements. What happened after the 1960s echoes that pattern: high altars removed, sanctuaries flattened, tabernacles sidelined. The focus shifted from sacrifice to assembly. In other words- Protestantism.

Even the layout of many modern sanctuaries, freestanding tables, the priest facing the people, emphasis on a central “meal”; has parallels that critics have long pointed out with non-Catholic ritual arrangements, including those found in Masonic-style gatherings. Whether one accepts that comparison or not, the visual and symbolic break from tradition is undeniable. Google - “do modern Catholic altars compare to Masonic temples” and see what comes up.

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i agree with what you write about the architecture --with a passion and a clarity thats lovely to read .
as a young person who served mass i was the last in my locality to have been instructed in Latin and what responses to make and when and had to learn the language as to ring the bell and other tasks were dependent on monitoring the Latin and responding -- it was horrific gobbledygook and annoyed me intensely .
i reasoned i was not permitted to understand what was going on and the deliberate use of a language that only one person in the church spoke was an insult to the religion and those who wished to follow it.
this extended to the practice of turning your back on the people --and when Vatican 2 came i experienced such liberation from the drudgery of the Latin .
a day after people wondered why such a daft thing had ever been decided on .
and were we not entitled to know what was being said to us and what was being said on our behalf .
nobody would buy a car from a salesman who turned his back on you and a priest was no different --- the people now looked at the face which was speaking to them in a language they could understand and they felt they had finally got some little respect as they could now assess the sincerity of the person while listening to his words AND FOR THE FIRST TIME IT WAS ACKNOWLEDGED THEY HAD THIS ENTITLEMENT .
the mad rush to modernize--- to embrace progress was embraced by all and we went to unpainted concrete sheds which had random broken pieces of coloured glass fused together and the illogical chaotic nature of it appealed to us and liberated us from the classical forms which were now being rejected .
not because they were ugly but were seen as dark and oppressive .
the new buildings were a joy on a summers day and Ireland looked well in the sunlight for a change as no classical church was capable of allowing light /sunshine on the worshippers .
People generally do not read for knowledge nor are curious enough to research .
therefore the subtleties of architecture/politics/medicine/mental health/ morality /ethics/law are never discussed in detail or with any knowledge that would lead to an informed opinion .
the MODERN church architecture was a response by management to rebrand the company and relaunch it with priests with flared trousers long hair and loads and loads of broken coloured glass in the walls roof everywhere and most of all as quick as possible,
as the church felt the earthquake of the young generation who for the first time GAVE THEMSELVES THE PERMISSION TO LIVE AS THEY CHOOSE.
and this permission did not include the catholic church ,
seen as oppressive and dark /foreign language speaking repressive -fanatical /cultish wealthy /powerful /educated /opinionated /entitled elite .
in short everything the hippy generation and the mild flared trousered smiling majority of the 1970 s Abba generation despised .
the concrete sheds and the smiling singing priests who looked at you while the sun traversed the sky and one moment lit your granny in blue but in a few moments entertained all by lighting her in vivid red -- mass was no longer boring and our homes did not allow such light to enter and we somehow felt IMPROVED by being there .
we now have moved on a little and we now expect more from our architects and the church has to and has i think learned that the architecture of the building must now admit light -- not be a frozen hall - you have to hear with clarity what is being said in all locations at LOW volume .
security is now an issue and building maintenance is unaffoardble to the locals or the main church body for almost the lifetime of the building .
how do you project the current requirement of humility in a cathedral -- its not possible .
 
Diarmuid said:
Converts are more trad than born Catholics. Carrie Prejean Boller is only a convert a year or two and she is picking a fight with two top bishops. She's calling them out as effeminate homosexuals. Very funny exchange online.

Every convert knows that the USP of Christianity is the Whipping (of the Jews) in the Temple. Every convert to catholicism venerates St Hugh of Lincoln and St Simon of Trent.

If you nose, you nose. Na h-abair tada.
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she is very interesting -- a born again catholic who is messianic in her devotion to her new love the catholic church .
what i find facinating is her in your face catholic faith --
technically correct but we are housetrained not to be prejean like and then you try and anylise your own reaction to her and you are less than impressed with the things it triggers .
i was appaled when i discovered bishop barron was on the commission with other prominent catholics and remained silent when it was his time to voice support when she was sacked .
she is a soldier of christ and in americanize--
I THANK YOU MAMM FOR YOUR SERVICE.
 
But anyway just on the subject of the great Irish Church architecture that preceded the post Vatican II wrecking ball, I thought I'd put up here a few pics from the Parish Church of Trim, where I was at mass today, built I think about 1910.
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It's time the Catholic Church handed out some Whoopings to the Islamic Savages = = For the good of the Islamic Savages ! ! !

The Catholic Church used to be good at that sort of thing until it ended up with a soft and wobbly back-bone !
 
Plenty of light in that church. Lovely stained glass. Is mor an trua go raibh se mar fuinneog aon teangach bearla.

Weren't there a couple of churches and shrines damaged since the Covid ended and all the foreigners came in? Let's hope there is no more of that.
 
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