The Climate Change scam

[Myles O'Reilly]

I was in the lions den this morning and it seems that those pushing EVs haven’t a notion that there is another side to the argument, they really haven’t a clue.

That's what I was saying to you last week Sir. A lot of them - including a number of motoring journalists - totally believe that ICE cars will be gone in a few years.

 

[Mad as Fish]

That's what I was saying to you last week Sir. A lot of them - including a number of motoring journalists - totally believe that ICE cars will be gone in a few years.

I must admit that I hadn't appreciated how little aware of the debate and counter arguments many in the trade are, and I now stand better informed.

I sense a growing divide between urban motorists and us bog trotters out in the sticks. EVs look grand for running around town but country folk just don't want anything to do with them.

 

[Wolf]

I must admit that I hadn't appreciated how little aware of the debate and counter arguments many in the trade are, and I now stand better informed.

I sense a growing divide between urban motorists and us bog trotters out in the sticks. EVs look grand for running around town but country folk just don't want anything to do with them.

Tesla and Volkswagon are slashing the price of their electric cars because of lack of demand and the backlash towards the woke, green, pedo, tranny movement in general.
Apple have scrapped their battery car programme, Toyota are going in a different direction and Mercedes are concentrating on refining their diesel and petrol offerings.
The fad is dying a death and the environmental cost of it remains to be seen.
That's before we get into the moral argument of having 5 year old kids sloshing around in highly toxic mines harvesting the shit needed for these things.
Leftards are well used to abusing kids so they see no problem with that unfortunately.

 

[Wolf]

Then there's this.......

The Replacement Battery Costs for These Six Normal EVs Is Staggeringly High

The battery pack is almost the entire cost of the car in some cases. Some are more costly than the car itself.

www.thedrive.com

 

[clarke-connolly]

I must admit that I hadn't appreciated how little aware of the debate and counter arguments many in the trade are, and I now stand better informed.

I sense a growing divide between urban motorists and us bog trotters out in the sticks. EVs look grand for running around town but country folk just don't want anything to do with them.

And who do you think knows more about, Engines / Vehicles and Pulling Power ? !

 

[Mad as Fish]

And who do you think knows more about, Engines / Vehicles and Pulling Power ? !

Aye, and try telling a farmer that if his car gets stuck in mud/snow/cow poop, he can't pull it out for fear of damaging the transmission.

 

[clarke-connolly]

Aye, and try telling a farmer that if his car gets stuck in mud/snow/cow poop, he can't pull it out for fear of damaging the transmission.

Basically that could be a death sentence to the Teller ! !

 

[Mad as Fish]

Basically that could be a death sentence to the Teller ! !

The decomposing body will enrich the slurry, so putting a greenie to some small use.

 

[valamhic]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aJrmORotI4

 

[Coal Gas and peat]

More for farmers , less for migrants good catchphrase

 

[Mad as Fish]

I don't believe ICE will be gone but EVs are going to dominate. And the main reason is range.

Exploring the latest innovations in EV battery technology - Elmelin Ltd

We explore the latest EV battery innovations, in a sector that is rapidly evolving and seeking new solutions.

elmelin.com

Battery technology research is proceeding at breakneck speed. Everyone knows the key is much greater capacity and much quicker recharging. I think EVs may even do even better in the country where you can charge from your own house, than in the city where on street charging is going to be difficult. But the goal has to be in either case to keep increasing range.

These are the current limits now but new models will increase it over and over.

https://www.cars.com/articles/electric-vehicles-with-the-longest-range-422227/

In the end, it's down to what suits people and their needs. I'll probably buy a long range spec'd EV next, secondhand, though keep the hybrid I have. That works for me and my commutes.

Please, go ahead and buy one, they are total pratmobiles after all.

 

[A Man Called Charolais]

I must admit that I hadn't appreciated how little aware of the debate and counter arguments many in the trade are, and I now stand better informed.

I sense a growing divide between urban motorists and us bog trotters out in the sticks. EVs look grand for running around town but country folk just don't want anything to do with them.

This is circulating - there seems to be receding of enthusiasm for electric vehicles. It's to do with more wear on the tires due to the vehicle being significantly heavier - this produces micro-particulates which are more toxic than fumes from combustion. There's also a note on emissions which is more about the location than the amount - from an exhaust stack in a power station rather than distributed around the road system. It may be better from public health point of view to emit from a central location than inhabited areas.

Electric cars release MORE toxic emissions than gas-powered vehicles and are worse for the environment, resurfaced study warns - Daily Mail

There was sabotage on the electricity supply to the Tesla factory in Germany by an Antifa type group there. Good thing Elon has his Cambrian rocket company.

Germany: Far-left group claims act of sabotage on Tesla - DW News

There's also been a diminishment in practical commitment by Millennials and Gen Z as they begin to pay for things themselves. This means there is a young constituency that is unenthusiastic about costly Five Year Plans. This gave Sunak and Staimer the slack to row back on climate promises in Britain. There's still a large lobbyist infrastructure in the political system so the topic will remain front and center for a while, despite reduced public interest.

Poll: Nearly Half Of Young People Won't Spend $10 Monthly On Climate Action - Zerohedge

Meanwhile there's been massive decrease in nickel and lithium prices due to slower growth in anticipated demand and an excess of supply.

What's behind the drastic downturn in nickel and lithium prices, and what does it mean? - ABC News Aus

The pogo ball component of the EV market appears to be waning. There are commercial challenges that are confounding the original plans, especially in the capacity of the electricity network and the price point of EVs.

Still, an excellent choice for urban driving - especially compact cars, ranged driving is better done with an internal combustion engine though. The current thing is to encourage shank's mare and cycling. I think there will be ever greater pressure and measures applied to reduce households to one car. We'll see how that floats once mummies realise that's the trajectory but they're going to decommissioned on Friday so does it really matter?

 

[Mad as Fish]

This is circulating - there seems to be receding of enthusiasm for electric vehicles. It's to do with more wear on the tires due to the vehicle being significantly heavier - this produces micro-particulates which are more toxic than fumes from combustion. There's also a note on emissions which is more about the location than the amount - from an exhaust stack in a power station rather than distributed around the road system. It may be better from public health point of view to emit from a central location than inhabited areas.

Electric cars release MORE toxic emissions than gas-powered vehicles and are worse for the environment, resurfaced study warns - Daily Mail

There was sabotage on the electricity supply to the Tesla factory in Germany by an Antifa type group there. Good thing Elon has his Cambrian rocket company.

Germany: Far-left group claims act of sabotage on Tesla - DW News

There's also been a diminishment in practical commitment by Millennials and Gen Z as they begin to pay for things themselves. This means there is a young constituency that is unenthusiastic about costly Five Year Plans. This gave Sunak and Staimer the slack to row back on climate promises in Britain. There's still a large lobbyist infrastructure in the political system so the topic will remain front and center for a while, despite reduced public interest.

Poll: Nearly Half Of Young People Won't Spend $10 Monthly On Climate Action - Zerohedge

Meanwhile there's been massive decrease in nickel and lithium prices due to slower growth in anticipated demand and an excess of supply.

What's behind the drastic downturn in nickel and lithium prices, and what does it mean? - ABC News Aus

The pogo ball component of the EV market appears to be waning. There are commercial challenges that are confounding the original plans, especially in the capacity of the electricity network and the price point of EVs.

Still, an excellent choice for urban driving - especially compact cars, ranged driving is better done with an internal combustion engine though. The current thing is to encourage shank's mare and cycling. I think there will be ever greater pressure and measures applied to reduce households to one car. We'll see how that floats once mummies realise that's the trajectory but they're going to decommissioned on Friday so does it really matter?

Indeed, as EVs move from the pipedream to reality all sorts of issues are beginning to surface and awkward questions asked. The sheer load on the grid is another problem coming to the fore and the talk of battery powered trucks has me chewing the carpet such is the stupidity of replacing half the payload with the weight of the battery, meaning that trucks will need to make twice the number of journeys to shift the same amount of stuff!

But as you say, money is the driver. Ford were given $3 billion to build a battery plant in Korea, that's free money to make whatever profit they can on it, why wouldn't they be pushing EVs?

 

[Wolf]

Bubbles!!!!
I remember when the extremist 'environmentalists' told everyone to buy diesel.......

I have a family member who ordered a Tesla model 3 for delivery in February, paid his deposit last November and since then the delivery date has been shifted and Tesla emailed him to let him know they're reducing the original price by €6,000!

The arse will fall out of the toy car market when people realise the secondhand values are sinking like Zitler's GDP and the €50k they pay for one now will be worth less than half of that in 2 years.

Car dealers in Dublin are refusing to take these toy cars as trade-in's because they're way too risky.
If they sell one for €20k and the battery fails under their warranty, they're screwed, it'll cost them that much to replace the battery on some of them.

EV's are for millennials, to go with their manbags, cuckolded lifestyles and terrible beards.

 

[Wolf]

ROTFL!!!!
Too dumb to realise.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T92oxFrOA6M

 

[Mad as Fish]

An interesting idea, and having read some of the Iliad myself I too wondered about the reference to snow etc, references which I have also come across in other accounts of ancient travel.

From these fragments, Vinci extrapolates a grand narrative, which goes something like this: During the Holocene Climate Optimum, from roughly 7500 to 5500 BC, northern Europe was much warmer than it is now, generated rich harvests, and hosted a vibrant, proto-Greek Bronze Age civilization.

Was the "Odyssey" originally set in the Baltic?

The Trojan War was actually fought in Finland and Ulysses sailed home to Denmark, says one controversial theory.

bigthink.com

 

[valamhic]

Climate change isn't a western problem yet. We are going to be rich enough to buy our way out of most problems, though the cost means future generations will not be quite as wealthy as we are now. However....

The inevitable consequence of climate change is going to be war, lots of it. Pick up any history book and it all comes down to a competition for resources.

There's been certain exceptions....the US has acted as a global policeman and the EU has succeeded in stopping another general European war, since 1945, both by guaranting open trade. But none of that is guaranteed to last forever.

China is on its way out and its going to get very hard on the Indian subcontinent. Sub saharian Africa will be totally destabilised but tat won't affect us. The South Americans will all go to war with each other but again nothing to do with us.

But if the US falters, or the EU fails? All bets are off for us.

OK, where is the climate change now? Nothing has changed in Ireland in my time and Blue Mickey says
he does not see it and he is 85. So if people are to leave some locations, where will they leave? Will they leave Iceland, Corsica? where?

 

[Professor]

More changes for the various climate changes, on the way . . .


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QixGX2dASjA

 

[Mad as Fish]

OK, where is the climate change now? Nothing has changed in Ireland in my time and Blue Mickey says
he does not see it and he is 85. So if people are to leave some locations, where will they leave? Will they leave Iceland, Corsica? where?

Oh the climate change is there alright, as it has been for the last 3.5 billion years. It's just that big money has now decided that even bigger money can be had from pretending that it's all our fault.

 

[Wolf]

Oh the climate change is there alright, as it has been for the last 3.5 billion years. It's just that big money has now decided that even bigger money can be had from pretending that it's all our fault.

The climate lunatics these days think having warm summers and cold winters is a man made phenomenon!!!

 

[Mad as Fish]

The climate lunatics these days think having warm summers and cold winters is a man made phenomenon!!!

Aye, last year was the wettest on record by 0.01% and the hysterics that generated....

It's scary just how enthusiastic people are for easy to digest soundbites that sound big and important but stand up to little scrutiny. I've had some recent conversations with otherwise intelligent people that have left me gobsmacked at their ignorance, or lack of appreciation of a bigger picture.

 

[Mad as Fish]

In Ireland? I think we ourselves might be OK in terms of climate. We should sit comfortably in the temperate zone for a long time.

Rising temperatures have a direct cost for a lot of other countries in the world though.

As we are an open economy we are going to be impacted by economic problems elsewhere.

There are parts of the world people really will want to get away from asap though. You think immigration pressure and asylum seekers are bad now?


View: https://youtu.be/u14CHVDBYQw?si=9Z_3TmBg85TkWCCc

Those poor hot countries just happening to be getting greener though, and as for the reliability of the NOAA data upon which all this scaremongering is based, well that's just laughable.

96% of NOAA heat measurement stations are corruptly placed to support climate change hoax

96% of NOAA heat measurement stations are corruptly placed to support climate change hoax

It turns out that almost every temperature station operated by the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) is corruptly placed to make the country appear “warmer” than it actually is, effectively amplifying the “global warming” hoax. An astounding 96 percent of NOAA’s temperature...

newstarget.com

 

[Wolf]

Those poor hot countries just happening to be getting greener though, and as for the reliability of the NOAA data upon which all this scaremongering is based, well that's just laughable.

96% of NOAA heat measurement stations are corruptly placed to support climate change hoax

96% of NOAA heat measurement stations are corruptly placed to support climate change hoax

It turns out that almost every temperature station operated by the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) is corruptly placed to make the country appear “warmer” than it actually is, effectively amplifying the “global warming” hoax. An astounding 96 percent of NOAA’s temperature...

newstarget.com

The climate freaks want us back in the ice age!
Isn't it weird how these establishment bootlickers just tow every line they're given without question?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

I recall not that long ago people were being called conspiracy theorists for saying the next thing they'll do is link "Climate change" to mass immigration into the west. A perfect union.

Now I've heard people on the street parroting it and of course Kangal on here.

There are parts of the world people really will want to get away from asap though. You think immigration pressure and asylum seekers are bad now?

 

[Professor]

I recall not that long ago people were being called conspiracy theorists for saying the next thing they'll do is link "Climate change" to mass immigration into the west. A perfect union.

Now I've heard people on the street parroting it and of course Kangal on here.

Yeah but, you've got to factor in the economic & political climates into the equation - In fact in certain cases a county's political climate can and is expected to lead to a change in the economic climate through real purposeful application of weather modification leading to positive changes for their natural environmental climate, unfortunately that action can have a negative effect upon other neighbouring countries and their climates, see?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

WTF are you waffling on about?

 

[Professor]

WTF are you waffling on about?

Climates undergoing anthropological changes.

Have you heard about the worlds chocolate supply for this year? The weather's ruined most of it and it's already up by 20%'€$£'s in the markets?

 

[Mad as Fish]

Yeah but, you've got to factor in the economic & political climates into the equation - In fact in certain cases a county's political climate can and is expected to lead to a change in the economic climate through real purposeful application of weather modification leading to positive changes for their natural environmental climate, unfortunately that action can have a negative effect upon other neighbouring countries and their climates, see?

Maybe, maybe not, but wetting ourselves over a few PPM of CO2 is going to make bugger all difference.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Climates undergoing anthropological changes.

Have you heard about the worlds chocolate supply for this year? The weather's ruined most of it and it's already up by 20%'€$£'s in the markets?

There are always scarcities and gluts but they tend to balance out over time. If a commodity is attracting a 20% premium then you can bet your backside that some trader(s) is minting it and it's very much in their interest to talk of impending doom.

Chocolate is a minor crop that the world does not depend upon to feed itself anyway, so what's the problem?

 

[Professor]

Maybe, maybe not, but wetting ourselves over a few PPM of CO2 is going to make bugger all difference.

We don't wet ourselves, but the monster for taxes slime-on harass does.

 

[Professor]

so what's the problem?

The weather patterns have gone haywire in the affected regions - Normal weather has changed into floods & droughts - Crops don't like it and give up, the people have nothing to do, get hungry and go wandering . . .

 

[Mad as Fish]

The weather patterns have gone haywire in the affected regions - Normal weather has changed into floods & droughts - Crops don't like it and give up, the people have nothing to do, get hungry and go wandering . . .

There is no such thing as normal weather.

 

[clarke-connolly]

The weather patterns have gone haywire in the affected regions - Normal weather has changed into floods & droughts - Crops don't like it and give up, the people have nothing to do, get hungry and go wandering . . .

Whether The Weather ? !

 

[Professor]

Whether The Weather ? !

Whether weathering wild weather will wither willow which would waste water.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Pack it in Love

 

[clarke-connolly]

Whether weathering wild weather will wither willow which would waste water.

Un-Predictable Weather = = Why there is Met Offices and Weather Forecasts ! !

 

[Mad as Fish]

Whether weathering wild weather will wither willow which would waste water.

Yep, Ireland is lacking in water.........

Have you a window in your den at all?

 

[Wolf]

Climates undergoing anthropological changes.

Have you heard about the worlds chocolate supply for this year? The weather's ruined most of it and it's already up by 20%'€$£'s in the markets?

Sure chocolate is bad for ya anyway.

 

[clarke-connolly]

Sure chocolate is bad for ya anyway.

Climate Change Saves People

 

[Professor]

Yep, Ireland is lacking in water.........

Have you a window in your den at all?

It may not be lacking today (but Dublin is) but real professional Climate Changers are currently designing examining ways to reduce the amount of rainfall in creating drier skies!!


Government scientists have cooked up a new concept for how to potentially cool an overheating Earth: Fiddle with the upper atmosphere to make it a bit drier.

Water vapor—water in its gas form—is a natural greenhouse gas that traps heat, just like carbon dioxide from burning coal, oil and gas. So researchers at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA figure if they can just inject ice high up in the air, water vapor in the upper atmosphere would get a bit drier and that could counteract a small amount of the human-caused warmth.

It's just the spark of an initial idea, said the lead author of a study in Wednesday's journal Science Advances.

The idea of drying the upper atmosphere is the newest addition to what some scientists are calling a last-ditch toolbox to deal with climate change by manipulating the world's atmosphere or oceans. Known as geoengineering, it's often rejected because of potential side effects, and is usually mentioned not as an alternative to reducing carbon pollution, but in addition to emission cuts.

Scientists create new idea on how to hack a warming planet: drying the upper atmosphere

Government scientists have cooked up a new concept for how to potentially cool an overheating Earth: Fiddle with the upper atmosphere to make it a bit drier.

phys.org