The Climate Change scam

[Wolf]

It may not be lacking today (but Dublin is) but real professional Climate Changers are currently designing examining ways to reduce the amount of rainfall in creating drier skies!!


Government scientists have cooked up a new concept for how to potentially cool an overheating Earth: Fiddle with the upper atmosphere to make it a bit drier.

Water vapor—water in its gas form—is a natural greenhouse gas that traps heat, just like carbon dioxide from burning coal, oil and gas. So researchers at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA figure if they can just inject ice high up in the air, water vapor in the upper atmosphere would get a bit drier and that could counteract a small amount of the human-caused warmth.

It's just the spark of an initial idea, said the lead author of a study in Wednesday's journal Science Advances.

The idea of drying the upper atmosphere is the newest addition to what some scientists are calling a last-ditch toolbox to deal with climate change by manipulating the world's atmosphere or oceans. Known as geoengineering, it's often rejected because of potential side effects, and is usually mentioned not as an alternative to reducing carbon pollution, but in addition to emission cuts.

Scientists create new idea on how to hack a warming planet: drying the upper atmosphere

Government scientists have cooked up a new concept for how to potentially cool an overheating Earth: Fiddle with the upper atmosphere to make it a bit drier.

phys.org

Dublin has plenty of water, the problem is the FFG uniparty hasn't invested properly in the infrastructure since the brits left.
Half of the treated water in the Dublin area leaks back into the ground AFAIK.

 

[Mad as Fish]

It may not be lacking today (but Dublin is) but real professional Climate Changers are currently designing examining ways to reduce the amount of rainfall in creating drier skies!!


Government scientists have cooked up a new concept for how to potentially cool an overheating Earth: Fiddle with the upper atmosphere to make it a bit drier.

Water vapor—water in its gas form—is a natural greenhouse gas that traps heat, just like carbon dioxide from burning coal, oil and gas. So researchers at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA figure if they can just inject ice high up in the air, water vapor in the upper atmosphere would get a bit drier and that could counteract a small amount of the human-caused warmth.

It's just the spark of an initial idea, said the lead author of a study in Wednesday's journal Science Advances.

The idea of drying the upper atmosphere is the newest addition to what some scientists are calling a last-ditch toolbox to deal with climate change by manipulating the world's atmosphere or oceans. Known as geoengineering, it's often rejected because of potential side effects, and is usually mentioned not as an alternative to reducing carbon pollution, but in addition to emission cuts.

Scientists create new idea on how to hack a warming planet: drying the upper atmosphere

Government scientists have cooked up a new concept for how to potentially cool an overheating Earth: Fiddle with the upper atmosphere to make it a bit drier.

phys.org

WTF does a "real professional Climate Changer" look like when it's at home? The last one I met was an emeritus professor, ie, a real professional professor, and he could do nothing but mouth glib soundbites and poop his pants in fear of the wheels falling off the bandwagon.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Dublin has plenty of water, the problem is the FFG uniparty hasn't invested properly in the infrastructure since the brits left.
Half of the treated water in the Dublin area leaks back into the ground AFAIK.

This argument was had during the water protests and metering is nothing but a prepartory step to privatisation.

If half the money spent on refugees and immigrants had been spent in sorting out Dublin's water supply then the problem would have been sorted by now, but no, they keep it leaking, ready for another go at selling the water system off to Yankee investment vultures.

 

[Mad as Fish]

It may not be lacking today (but Dublin is) but real professional Climate Changers are currently designing examining ways to reduce the amount of rainfall in creating drier skies!!


Government scientists have cooked up a new concept for how to potentially cool an overheating Earth: Fiddle with the upper atmosphere to make it a bit drier.

Water vapor—water in its gas form—is a natural greenhouse gas that traps heat, just like carbon dioxide from burning coal, oil and gas. So researchers at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA figure if they can just inject ice high up in the air, water vapor in the upper atmosphere would get a bit drier and that could counteract a small amount of the human-caused warmth.

It's just the spark of an initial idea, said the lead author of a study in Wednesday's journal Science Advances.

The idea of drying the upper atmosphere is the newest addition to what some scientists are calling a last-ditch toolbox to deal with climate change by manipulating the world's atmosphere or oceans. Known as geoengineering, it's often rejected because of potential side effects, and is usually mentioned not as an alternative to reducing carbon pollution, but in addition to emission cuts.

Scientists create new idea on how to hack a warming planet: drying the upper atmosphere

Government scientists have cooked up a new concept for how to potentially cool an overheating Earth: Fiddle with the upper atmosphere to make it a bit drier.

phys.org

If 8 billion are to be fed then we need more carbon in the air, not less.

 

[valamhic]

In Ireland? I think we ourselves might be OK in terms of climate. We should sit comfortably in the temperate zone for a long time.

Rising temperatures have a direct cost for a lot of other countries in the world though.

As we are an open economy we are going to be impacted by economic problems elsewhere.

There are parts of the world people really will want to get away from asap though. You think immigration pressure and asylum seekers are bad now?


View: https://youtu.be/u14CHVDBYQw?si=9Z_3TmBg85TkWCCc

So tell me exactly how climate change has impacted the temperature in India, Mexico, or Cuba?

Explain this. https://www.bing.com/videos/rivervi...0D7A983BC4FD0C2D22C80D7A983BC4FD0C2&FORM=VIRE

 

[valamhic]

The weather patterns have gone haywire in the affected regions - Normal weather has changed into floods & droughts - Crops don't like it and give up, the people have nothing to do, get hungry and go wandering . . .

How far back are there records available? The battle of the little big horn happened in 1876. Who kept records
in modern day Montana in 1875?

 

[Mad as Fish]

This is concerning. I'd always considered Tassie to be relatively isolated from this kind of thing.

Hobart endures hottest night in 112 years as severe heatwave hits south-eastern Australia

Extreme heat forecast to continue across Victoria, Tasmania, SA and NSW for several days, as record temperatures cause cancellation of long weekend events

www.theguardian.com

So what?

 

[Mad as Fish]

How the Climate Crisis is Impacting India

As global temperatures rise, we will continue to see India's poorest suffer the most as climate change destroys livelihoods and washes away communities.

www.climaterealityproject.org

There have been floods and droughts and famine in India for centuries, read some Kipling.

 

[valamhic]

How the Climate Crisis is Impacting India

As global temperatures rise, we will continue to see India's poorest suffer the most as climate change destroys livelihoods and washes away communities.

www.climaterealityproject.org

I did not ask you for predictions of the future. I asked you for evidence of the past including the past 30
years when humans are said to have caused it.

 

[valamhic]

There have been floods and droughts and famine in India for centuries, read some Kipling.

Where are all the slums and ghettoes gone. Mother Teresa would be out of work now. The Indians are busy working and using fossil fuels

 

[Wolf]

I did not ask you for predictions of the future. I asked you for evidence of the past including the past 30
years when humans are said to have caused it.

Twatter told him so....

 

[Professor]

How far back are there records available? The battle of the little big horn happened in 1876. Who kept records
in modern day Montana in 1875?

Aah!, you can go way back beyond to 1674 when Perrault started taking measurements but it was in 1802 when Dalton took it outdoors to measure the weather!!

Historical developments of models for estimating evaporation using standard meteorological data​

Abstract​

Evaporation plays a key role in the hydrology of a catchment. World-wide actual terrestrial evaporation is approximately two third of terrestrial precipitation. Evaporation is the focus of this study in which we describe the historical developments of models for estimating evaporation from standard meteorological data. Although Aristotle and Descartes made early contributions to understanding evaporation, Perrault is credited with having made the first experimental measurement of evaporation in about 1674 though in fact what he measured was sublimation by recording the loss of weight of a block of ice through time. In 1686, Halley carried out the first direct measurement of the evaporation of liquid water. Following a detailed set of experiments, Dalton in 1802 published an essay describing the relationship between evaporation, vapor pressure deficit, and wind speed which is the forerunner of the mass-transfer equation to estimate open-water evaporation. In 1921, Cummings proposed an approximate energy balance equation which in 1948 Penman combined with a mass-transfer equation based on Dalton's work to develop the Penman equation. A key input was the Bowen ratio published in 1926. Following Penman, the next major development was by Monteith in 1965. He modified Penman's equation for a single leaf to deal with a canopy which led to the Penman–Monteith model and is the basis of the FAO56 Reference Crop model. Priestley and Taylor introduced their model in 1972, which is based on the energy term in Penman's equation, and underpins other models . . .

https://wires.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wat2.1172

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

You have no paragraphs or spacing there Buddy Love so you'll have to summarise.

One sentence should suffice.

 

[Professor]

You have no paragraphs or spacing there Buddy Love so you'll have to summarise.

One sentence should suffice.

Historical origins of weather measurement for a developing world of less than 1 billion people.

 

[valamhic]

#You didn't read the article then.

The article begins with the sentence "as global temperatures rise we will continue to see the poor suffer most"

if that sentence is wrong then what comes after is irrelevant. Global temperatures are only rising by a tiny amount as we come out of the little ice age between 1250 and ending 1850. Man had no influence on that.
So zs there is no man made temperature rise and no indication that there will ever be any predictions based on a non existing rise is mute. Instead of predictions by bed wetters based on starving children in Calcutta, the fact is that India is growing its industrial base using fossil fuel and its peoplke are getting richer and don't need the west to
provide. Indeed the west will soon be impoveraged and will apply to India for aid.

 

[valamhic]

There have been floods and droughts and famine in India for centuries, read some Kipling.

And always will be

 

[valamhic]

Aah!, you can go way back beyond to 1674 when Perrault started taking measurements but it was in 1802 when Dalton took it outdoors to measure the weather!!

Historical developments of models for estimating evaporation using standard meteorological data​

Abstract​

Evaporation plays a key role in the hydrology of a catchment. World-wide actual terrestrial evaporation is approximately two third of terrestrial precipitation. Evaporation is the focus of this study in which we describe the historical developments of models for estimating evaporation from standard meteorological data. Although Aristotle and Descartes made early contributions to understanding evaporation, Perrault is credited with having made the first experimental measurement of evaporation in about 1674 though in fact what he measured was sublimation by recording the loss of weight of a block of ice through time. In 1686, Halley carried out the first direct measurement of the evaporation of liquid water. Following a detailed set of experiments, Dalton in 1802 published an essay describing the relationship between evaporation, vapor pressure deficit, and wind speed which is the forerunner of the mass-transfer equation to estimate open-water evaporation. In 1921, Cummings proposed an approximate energy balance equation which in 1948 Penman combined with a mass-transfer equation based on Dalton's work to develop the Penman equation. A key input was the Bowen ratio published in 1926. Following Penman, the next major development was by Monteith in 1965. He modified Penman's equation for a single leaf to deal with a canopy which led to the Penman–Monteith model and is the basis of the FAO56 Reference Crop model. Priestley and Taylor introduced their model in 1972, which is based on the energy term in Penman's equation, and underpins other models . . .

https://wires.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wat2.1172

Without evaporation there would be no rain and without rain there would be no food. So what is the problem?

 

[valamhic]

You didn't read the article.

Or you have, and you really don't want to discuss it.

Either way, I expected better from you Val.

I have done all the research and engaged in wide consultations and read until I had it all. I concluded the theory is a scam to screw money out of citizens. In addition I concluded that the Irish government is breaking the law to ram through their fake cures. Throwing more and more words from the same sources is over and done with. I tried to set up discussions and debate in the media and was shunned by a government controlled media.

I demanded to be included on RTE programmes with proponents and it was refused. Instead I devoted my time to a more effective way of convincing the Irish people it is a scam. I and others did a good job so that RTE is stone broke with their executives scurried off and refusing to attend inquiries. Few believe them anymore and with Trump and Gerth Wilders on the up we will soon see the end of it.


For a skitter like you to creep out of the scammers bus now and expect me to devote more of my precious time to this is ridiculous. There is not one shred of evidence to show the weather is being changed by fuel use.

 

[valamhic]

You have no paragraphs or spacing there Buddy Love so you'll have to summarise.

One sentence should suffice.

Why does the climate crowd not award Vlad Putin a medal and prize for reducing Germanies burning of fuel? He cut off their gas, he caused the USA to destroy the Nort Stream gas pipeline, and its industry and getting out.

No other person ever did more?

The reason is that there is no money being made from his method, while there is from the carbon tax method.

 

[valamhic]

The method Kangol uses if to continually throw reams of words and so called reports at deniers to make them waste time reading and replying. When beaten they come back with a new report and keep repeating the tactic over and over for 380 years. That works as long as everyone complies.

The Paris climate gig is only observed in EU, Canada and Britain. Biden is trying Obama's drive again which will end in 10 months. Russia, India and China are increasing the use of fuel and they are now encouraging Africa to ignore
it. So the rest of the world drive on and also invades neighbouring countries.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Aah!, you can go way back beyond to 1674 when Perrault started taking measurements but it was in 1802 when Dalton took it outdoors to measure the weather!!

Historical developments of models for estimating evaporation using standard meteorological data​

Abstract​

Evaporation plays a key role in the hydrology of a catchment. World-wide actual terrestrial evaporation is approximately two third of terrestrial precipitation. Evaporation is the focus of this study in which we describe the historical developments of models for estimating evaporation from standard meteorological data. Although Aristotle and Descartes made early contributions to understanding evaporation, Perrault is credited with having made the first experimental measurement of evaporation in about 1674 though in fact what he measured was sublimation by recording the loss of weight of a block of ice through time. In 1686, Halley carried out the first direct measurement of the evaporation of liquid water. Following a detailed set of experiments, Dalton in 1802 published an essay describing the relationship between evaporation, vapor pressure deficit, and wind speed which is the forerunner of the mass-transfer equation to estimate open-water evaporation. In 1921, Cummings proposed an approximate energy balance equation which in 1948 Penman combined with a mass-transfer equation based on Dalton's work to develop the Penman equation. A key input was the Bowen ratio published in 1926. Following Penman, the next major development was by Monteith in 1965. He modified Penman's equation for a single leaf to deal with a canopy which led to the Penman–Monteith model and is the basis of the FAO56 Reference Crop model. Priestley and Taylor introduced their model in 1972, which is based on the energy term in Penman's equation, and underpins other models . . .

https://wires.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wat2.1172

Give us just one of these models, describe how it works and in what way tweaking a single algorithm will effect the outcome.

 

[valamhic]

Give us just one of these models, describe how it works and in what way tweaking a single algorithm will effect the outcome.

It was adopted by a lad called Pachurei, a railway engineer. He was great at oiling the train bearings. He was in charge of the IPCC for years. He got a transfer to India where he had an office with secretaries.

There were allegations of financial rackets and that he sexually harassed women. He got bail.

He claimed he could change the weather if he got a big job

Rajendra K. Pachauri - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[valamhic]

You asked me what what's been happening in India up to now, due to climate change.

I provided it.

But you now ignore it, and now claim you have already done all the research.

Spare me your excuses.

You also asked about Mexico?

Seven decades of climate change across Mexico

www.scielo.org.mx

The only thing happening in India ois that that the economy is picking up, there is a pending war with China over
the border and they are producing sub standard tractor parts which are sold in Ireland and break in a short time.

There is a huge population and government knows burning fuel is the way to cure poverty. Extreme weather
has been a problem for hundreds and years and nothing has changed on that front.

 

[valamhic]

These are indeed the profound issues of our times.

Why don't you and Gretta Thunberg go top China and lecture to them?

 

[Wolf]

Why don't you and Gretta Thunberg go top China and lecture to them?

That prick never leaves his bedroom.

 

[Professor]

Without evaporation there would be no rain and without rain there would be no food. So what is the problem?

Scams & Floods

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

It was adopted by a lad called Pachurei, a railway engineer. He was great at oiling the train bearings.

Buddy Love says a man called William F Nye who used Whale oil on watches and clocks was a better innovator than Pachurei.

There were allegations that he sexually harassed women.

You had similar allegations levelled at you by Gemma. You should know better to believe such hearsay.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

These are indeed the profound issues of our times.

Without working Tractors you wouldn't have a bite to shove into your cake hole.

 

[valamhic]

Buddy Love says a man called William F Nye who used Whale oil on watches and clocks was a better innovator than Pachurei.


You had similar allegations levelled at you by Gemma. You should know better to believe such hearsay.

He was in court

 

[Mad as Fish]

The only thing happening in India ois that that the economy is picking up, there is a pending war with China over
the border and they are producing sub standard tractor parts which are sold in Ireland and break in a short time.

There is a huge population and government knows burning fuel is the way to cure poverty. Extreme weather
has been a problem for hundreds and years and nothing has changed on that front.

Indeed, a point that is too often ignored is that the west built its wealth on coal and oil and is now preventing the developing world from doing so in turn. It's as if the west is deliberately trying to hold them back and climate change is the latest ruse. Institutionalised racism in fact.

 

[valamhic]

Without working Tractors you wouldn't have a bite to shove into your cake hole.

Well said. A bale of silage weighs half a ton. They are stored in the yard and have to be moved to the feeding apron. Cant lift them myself

 

[valamhic]

Indeed, a point that is too often ignored is that the west built its wealth on coal and oil and is now preventing the developing world from doing so in turn. It's as if the west is deliberately trying to hold them back and climate change is the latest ruse. Institutionalised racism in fact.

The British were forced out of India in 1948, the Mother Teresa suffering in Calcutta was going strong between about 1970to 1997. She wasn't gone a week until the whole suffering was over and the Indian government improved the living conditions of the poor. My opinion is let the fecker Oscar bullshitter Yanks in California die with the drouth. Why should India worry about them hoors?

 

[Fishalt]

Without working Tractors you wouldn't have a bite to shove into your cake hole.

Aye.

Urban progtards truly are the worst for lecturing farmers and primary producers about what they're doing wrong and why it's all their fault.

 

[Fishalt]

Indeed, a point that is too often ignored is that the west built its wealth on coal and oil and is now preventing the developing world from doing so in turn. It's as if the west is deliberately trying to hold them back and climate change is the latest ruse. Institutionalised racism in fact.

Yep.

It's all well and good for us to demand they get off oil. We've already had our fun with the dino juice and the big green rock.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Aye.

Urban progtards truly are the worst for lecturing farmers and primary producers about what they're doing wrong and why it's all their fault.

Everybody knows how to farm better than the farmers themselves.

 

[Mad as Fish]

The British were forced out of India in 1948, the Mother Teresa suffering in Calcutta was going strong between about 1970to 1997. She wasn't gone a week until the whole suffering was over and the Indian government improved the living conditions of the poor. My opinion is let the fecker Oscar bullshitter Yanks in California die with the drouth. Why should India worry about them hoors?

I hear India is getting its sanitation sorted at long last as well.

 

[valamhic]

If only tractor parts could be sourced elsewhere. Alas Val seems to be saying they cornered the market. This is a strategic disaster.

The fact is that parts like gear box wheels, engine crank shafts cam shafts, ( the important moving parts in power and transmission) used to be made in Japan, Germany and the UK. Diesel pumps with direct injection and with rail injection are still made there because these are critical, the quality of the internal parts must be top notch. Even then they break and there is a cottage industry fixing then. In the North East it is in Shercock. They are mounted externally so not too expensive.

EU law on manufacturing emissions, the high cost of electricity and oil made it uncompetitive to make crank shafts
cam shafts, gear wheels, inside tractors etc and they quit. The market was then taken up abroad with India being
top in my observation. The quality is mush worse because the parts are cast instead of dropforged. All external connectors such as hydraulic links are also make there. I observe they break and are made of inferior steel.

Europe make quality parts but was driven out by green governments under pressure from eco louts. India makes bad quality parts but suffer no restrictions from the EU or eco louts. Whether that equates to cornering the market I do not know. I believe the answer is to make examples of green louts and execute a few in every area as an example.

 

[valamhic]

Terrible globull warming coming to Britain next week.

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[Mad as Fish]

Plenty of manufacturers in Europe Val.

List of Tractor Suppliers in Europe - Ezilon suppliers in Europe

Find a list of tractor suppliers in Europe offering sales, maintenance, and repair services for agricultural tractors.

www.ezilon.com

That says nothing about where the components are made.

Anyhow, I would take issue with Val slightly here as components are in fact very well made, the major western manufacturers insist on it and most are made in the EU or USA.

The first on that list is AGCO (Massey Ferguson, Fendt and Valtra), and the corporation has recently invested A billion in a new engine family and factory in Finland. They don’t piss about with substandard crap from India.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

In the North East it is in Shercock.

I think that's the chicken factory where Saul occasionally helps out.