The Climate Change scam

[The Equalizer]

Steady on there, chum.
Didnt you start this all off with a meme where Curry is appartently calling it a hoax?
Something we found out isnt even her triue position.

I think you've basically ignored that meme. But okay, you can read a (AI) response to - Judith Curry & hoax by clicking here. Although again, I'm not sure what point you're making?

 

[Mad as Fish]

I think you've basically ignored that meme. But okay, you can read a (AI) response to - Judith Curry & hoax by clicking here. Although again, I'm not sure what point you're making?

Nor does he, he simply gets AI to dig up what it thinks might be relevant crap from the interwebby thingie.

 

[Haven]

I think you've basically ignored that meme. But okay, you can read a (AI) response to - Judith Curry & hoax by clicking here. Although again, I'm not sure what point you're making?

Ignored the meme? I literally replied to your post where you posted the meme.

 

[The Equalizer]

Ignored the meme? I literally replied to your post where you posted the meme.

Ah, this is now why I regret not including in my previous post - "and by ignoring, I don't mean that you didn't reply to the post in which the meme was made"

 

[Haven]

Ah, this is now why I regret not including in my previous post - "and by ignoring, I don't mean that you didn't reply to the post in which the meme was made"

Its strange you say I've ignored it when its been the sole focus of our conversation.

Thats why I say coherence is not your strong point.

 

[The Equalizer]

Its strange you say I've ignored it when its been the sole focus of our conversation.

Thats why I say coherence is not your strong point.

Okay, ask AI what the meme says and then see how your reply (a Wiki blurb about Judith Curry) stands up

 

[The Equalizer]

@Haven, please note @clarke-connolly's reply to the post in which the meme was made -

Post in thread 'The Climate Change scam' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com/threads/the-climate-change-scam.147/post-160325

Which I found much more responsive than yours.

 

[Haven]

Okay, ask AI what the meme says and then see how your reply (a Wiki blurb about Judith Curry) stands up

The meme states that Curry thinks its a hoax.

We have already established thats an incorrect take on her position.

 

[The Equalizer]

The meme states that Curry thinks its a hoax.

We have already established thats an incorrect take on her position.

There doesn't seem to be much depth to your conclusions.

In the AI link I provided, it says -

"Judith Curry, a former climatologist, has not called climate change itself a "hoax," but she has stated that the UN's definition of man-made climate change "qualifies as a hoax"."

Secondly, the meme compares and contrasts two people, one a scientist and the other not, and then a third party - the media, or the manipulation thereof.

I really don't know why any of that is difficult for you.

 

[Haven]

There doesn't seem to be much depth to your conclusions.

In the AI link I provided, it says -

"Judith Curry, a former climatologist, has not called climate change itself a "hoax," but she has stated that the UN's definition of man-made climate change "qualifies as a hoax"."

Secondly, the meme compares and contrasts two people, one a scientist and the other not, and then a third party - the media, or the manipulation thereof.

I really don't know why any of that is difficult for you.

Lets not rely on AI.

Meme Makes Misleading Comparison to Cast Doubt on Climate Change - FactCheck.org

The Earth is warming at the fastest rate seen in the last 10,000 years, according to NASA, and the consensus among climate scientists is that human activity is causing the change. But a meme on social media tries to undermine the reality of climate change by misrepresenting the views and media...

www.factcheck.org

"As for Curry’s position on climate change — she doesn’t deny that it’s happening. Or that humans have contributed. She argues that natural climate variability is also a major contributing factor and that measures to stanch climate change are likely to be ineffective, which is where she falls out of line with most other scientists.

“I have never said that climate change is a hoax,” Curry told us in an email. “The earth’s climate has been changing for the past 4.6 billion years.”

“Climate change is a geological fact. What is causing the change for the past century is a different issue. Humans are contributing to the recent climate change, but there has also been natural climate variability/change,” Curry said."

 

[The Equalizer]

Lets not rely on AI.

Meme Makes Misleading Comparison to Cast Doubt on Climate Change - FactCheck.org

The Earth is warming at the fastest rate seen in the last 10,000 years, according to NASA, and the consensus among climate scientists is that human activity is causing the change. But a meme on social media tries to undermine the reality of climate change by misrepresenting the views and media...

www.factcheck.org

"As for Curry’s position on climate change — she doesn’t deny that it’s happening. Or that humans have contributed. She argues that natural climate variability is also a major contributing factor and that measures to stanch climate change are likely to be ineffective, which is where she falls out of line with most other scientists.

“I have never said that climate change is a hoax,” Curry told us in an email. “The earth’s climate has been changing for the past 4.6 billion years.”

“Climate change is a geological fact. What is causing the change for the past century is a different issue. Humans are contributing to the recent climate change, but there has also been natural climate variability/change,” Curry said."

Okay? Do you want to talk about anything else?

 

[Haven]

Okay? Do you want to talk about anything else?

I'm not going down the rabbithole of responding to AI content.

“Climate change is a geological fact. What is causing the change for the past century is a different issue. Humans are contributing to the recent climate change, but there has also been natural climate variability/change,” Curry said."

Humans are contributing to recent climate change.

I think you are done here.

 

[The Equalizer]

I'm not going down the rabbithole of responding to AI content.

“Climate change is a geological fact. What is causing the change for the past century is a different issue. Humans are contributing to the recent climate change, but there has also been natural climate variability/change,” Curry said."

Humans are contributing to recent climate change.

I think you are done here.

I'm nowhere near done but you seem to be and I'll give you a couple of reasons why:

1) You haven't said to what level human activity is "contributing".

2) What can or should be, reasonably or realistically, done about it.

 

[Haven]

I'm nowhere near done but you seem to be and I'll give you a couple of reasons why:

1) You haven't said to what level human activity is "contributing".

2) What can or should be, reasonably or realistically, done about it.

I was commenting on the meme, which does not represents Curry's position.

The level that human activity is contributing is extremely well documented. You can ask Google AI as you place so much faith in it.

As to what can be done?

What is already in the atmosphere will cumulatively trap energy for decades even if we stopped burning hydrocarbons tomorrow. Its baked in and theres nothing we can do there.

I do support renewables but only as a means for better energy security and not sending petrodollars to OPEC etc. Ireland is well placed here.

The other thing is beef up our security and think about formally abandoning neutrality and getting into defense partnerships. There will be social upheaval in other parts of the world as time goes on.

 

[The Equalizer]

I was commenting on the meme, which does not represents Curry's position.

Why not?

Regurgitating what a "fact checking" article says is not an answer.

The level that human activity is contributing is extremely well documented. You can as Google AI as you place so much faith in it.

Nope. I have no faith in AI when it comes to science denial, e.g. climate science (and I can think of quite a few other examples)

As to what can be done?

What is already in the atmosphere will cumulatively trap energy for decades even if we stopped burning hydrocarbons tomorrow. Its baked in and theres nothing we can dohere.

I do support renewables but only as a means for better energy security and not sending petrodollars to OPEC etc. Ireland is well placed here.

The other thing is beef up our security and think about formally abandoning neutrality and getting into defense partnerships. There will be social upheaval in other parts of the world as time goes on.

lol

Okay, do you want to have a stab at answering a related but different question? What could, realistically or reasonably, be done by a country like Ireland?

 

[Haven]

Why not?

Regurgitating what a "fact checking" article says is not an answer.


Nope. I have no faith in AI when it comes to science denial, e.g. climate science (and I can think of quite a few other examples)


lol

Okay, do you want to have a stab at answering a related but different question? What could, realistically or reasonably, be done by a country like Ireland?

Curry stated her position in that article: humans are contributing to recent climate change.

As regards Ireland, I just gave you those answers.

 

[The Equalizer]

Curry stated her position in that article: humans are contributing to recent climate change.

I don't think that she had anything to do with the article

As regards Ireland, I just gave you those answers.

Even in your wildest, climate change alarmist dreams, Ireland has negligible contribution

 

[Haven]

I don't think that she had anything to do with the article


Even in your wildest, climate change alarmist dreams, Ireland has negligible contribution

You can choose what to believe about what Curry said but what she said still stands.

I wasnt talking about Irelands contribution to climate change. I was talking about how Ireland should respond.

 

[The Equalizer]

You can choose what to believe about what Curry said but what she said still stands.

Sure, I already said that I thought the Wiki blurb you posted about her all sounded quite reasonable.

But again, we're back to the depth of your conclusions.. Of course climate change isn't a hoax, I agree with that. Curry said that man-made climate change, as presented, is a hoax. I agree with that, too.

I wasnt talking about Irelands contribution to climate change. I was talking about how Ireland should respond.

Why should Ireland "respond" to something that it has no effect on? Particularly if the response is deleterious

 

[Mad as Fish]

I don't think that she had anything to do with the article


Even in your wildest, climate change alarmist dreams, Ireland has negligible contribution

You will come to learn that you are engaging with a vile troll, I tend to ignore it especially after the gross inhumanity it displayed during covid. My suspicion is that he's proud to call his activities here a job.

 

[Haven]

Sure, I already said that I thought the Wiki blurb you posted about her all sounded quite reasonable.

But again, we're back to the depth of your conclusions.. Of course climate change isn't a hoax, I agree with that. Curry said that man-made climate change, as presented, is a hoax. I agree with that, too.


Why should Ireland "respond" to something that it has no effect on? Particularly if the response is deleterious

If you want to rely on AI content to make your case, good luck to you.

As for your question, I think recent events demonstrate yet again that Ireland is not immune from events elsewhere in the world. I think taking reasonable steps in energy security and military preparation is wise.