The death of Catholic Ireland, greatly exaggerated?

[Myles O'Reilly]

The Irish Church will be dead in 10 years. Quit kidding yourselves lads.

 

[Declan]

In 10 years, the people saying the church will dead, might be in a mosque with their hole up in the air , pretending to be talking to Allah, if they know what is good for them

 

[AUL LAD]

Yes I went to St Johns SSPX in Dun Laoghaire and I think it was quite a bit bigger than last year and I don't really know why. Even the priest seemed to remark on it in his sermon.

i attended with my family Christmas eve 8pm -lovely mass good choir and soloists made it very enjoyable .
us tourists -- we were chided for visibly turning up once a year to enjoy the Christmas ""show"".
a token prayer was offered for those suffering in ""the middle east "" .
Christ was a Palestinian --no mention was made of this -- just stay in the middle lane do not move right or left and see nothing eyes straight ahead.

 

[clarke-connolly]

In 10 years, the people saying the church will dead, might be in a mosque with their hole up in the air , pretending to be talking to Allah, if they know what is good for them

Better go with ~ ~ The Auld Christianity ~ ~ Come in handy for the Coming Crusade !

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

i attended with my family Christmas eve 8pm -lovely mass good choir and soloists made it very enjoyable .
us tourists -- we were chided for visibly turning up once a year to enjoy the Christmas ""show"".
a token prayer was offered for those suffering in ""the middle east "" .
Christ was a Palestinian --no mention was made of this -- just stay in the middle lane do not move right or left and see nothing eyes straight ahead.

If Christ was a Palestinian He’ll know that craic then. I’ve an aul’ uncle that now lives in Wales and he listens to RTE radio on his TV package. Keeps him informed of happenings back in the homeland. Otherwise he’d have to rely on some random guy from Germany phoning him up and telling him what’s going on in Ireland.

 

[Declan]

Better go with ~ ~ The Auld Christianity ~ ~ Come in handy for the Coming Crusade !

Exactly right. Obviously there are some serious catholic posters here but for us less fervent, this os our best path indeed

 

[clarke-connolly]

Exactly right. Obviously there are some serious catholic posters here but for us less fervent, this os our best path indeed

You need to be amongst Christians to ~ ~ Take On Islam.

 

[scolairebocht]

I am afraid the secret is out, more people are beginning to see the small shoots of the Catholic revival here, and are articulating the necessity for it:

 

[céline]

I think if Catholicism is becoming less popular that may actually be a good thing. I'm in favour of Anglican popularity in Ireland. The Anglican church, being Protestant will return Ireland to a state it was in before the Easter Rising. This'll remove Jews from the equation. I'm in favour of all forms of Christianity, but particularly Anglicanism & Lutheranism.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

You're not a Prod Cossack. There are no Prods in Poland.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

You're not a Prod Cossack. There are no Prods in Poland.

Not true- there have been Prods in Poland for a long time.

Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Poland - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Not true- there have been Prods in Poland for a long time.

Well how did one of them end up here?

 

[scolairebocht]

I told ye first!lol:
View: https://x.com/Independent_ie/status/1883964446491472333?t=--aQnDfiNVXjJ76ElyhyiA&s=19

 

[AN2]

I told ye first!lol:
View: https://x.com/Independent_ie/status/1883964446491472333?t=--aQnDfiNVXjJ76ElyhyiA&s=19

Paywalled

Did you read the full article?

 

[SwordOfStZip]

I told ye first!lol:
View: https://x.com/Independent_ie/status/1883964446491472333?t=--aQnDfiNVXjJ76ElyhyiA&s=19

Not atheist though does not necessarily mean Catholic or even Christian.

 

[AN2]

Not atheist though does not necessarily mean Catholic or even Christian.

If @scolairebocht had actually read the article, I doubt he would have posted it

It's a cog from the UK Independent, you can read it in full here:

Gen Z far less likely to be atheists than parents and grandparents, new study reveals

With many of younger generation found to identify as ‘spiritual’, research counters assumption spirituality is on decline and in fact implies God is ‘making a comeback’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

I think Bocht has shot his load too early on this one.

That survey shows younsters have no more interest in the Church than a dog. They're mystic yoga-type spiritualists who are about as far away from Irish Catholicism than an atheist.

Ironically Tiger and I would likely agree on this point.

 

[AN2]

I think Bocht has shot his load too early on this one.

I'm afraid he did

That survey shows younsters have no more interest in the Church than a dog. They're mystic yoga-type spiritualists who are about as far away from Irish Catholicism than an atheist.

Ironically Tiger and I would likely agree on this point.

I think people like scolairebocht and Tiger should accept that Catholicism ain't making no comeback and just be happy in their own, personal, faith. I only give them a belt on the nose (particularly @Tiger) when they deny science

 

[SwordOfStZip]

I'm afraid he did


I think people like scolairebocht and Tiger should accept that Catholicism ain't making no comeback and just be happy in their own, personal, faith. I only give them a belt on the nose (particularly @Tiger) when they deny science

There is no certainty about that. It looks on the face of it now that Catholicism will not make a comeback in Ireland however that does not necessarily mean that it will not. Stranger things have happened.

 

[AUL LAD]

I'm afraid he did


I think people like scolairebocht and Tiger should accept that Catholicism ain't making no comeback and just be happy in their own, personal, faith. I only give them a belt on the nose (particularly @Tiger) when they deny science

you have it all wrong Christianity will return.
its in the background,
but its deadly enemy the catholic church still is trying to destroy it with its ""CELIBACY"" OBEDIENCE ""POVERTY"" rules /demands/ oaths which destroy the church from within and literally castrate its staff/priests/management.
the in your face rejection of women except in a bizarre servile cult role is equally destructive .
destroy the cult and start at the top and allow married stable happy Christians to manage the IRISH CHRISTIAN CHURCH and people will weep tears of joy with the prospect of entering a building dedicated to serving THEIR community and THEIR spiritual needs .
not the serving of some strange deviant in Rome -- i am not roman i am not roman anything fuck off Rome.

 

[AN2]

There is no certainty about that. It looks on the face of it now that Catholicism will not make a comeback in Ireland however that does not necessarily mean that it will not. Stranger things have happened.

It is without any glee that I would not expect an upsurge in Catholicism.

Didn't the article say that it's the older generation that's more religious?

 

[AN2]

you have it all wrong

That would be a first

Christianity will return.

It hasn't really gone anywhere

its in the background,
but its deadly enemy the catholic church still is trying to destroy it with its ""CELIBACY"" OBEDIENCE ""POVERTY"" rules /demands/ oaths which destroy the church from within and literally castrate its staff/priests/management.
the in your face rejection of women except in a bizarre servile cult role is equally destructive .
destroy the cult and start at the top and allow married stable happy Christians to manage the IRISH CHRISTIAN CHURCH and people will weep tears of joy with the prospect of entering a building dedicated to serving THEIR community and THEIR spiritual needs .
not the serving of some strange deviant in Rome -- i am not roman i am not roman anything fuck off Rome.

Eh, obedience, celibacy (I'm not sure what poverty means) is kind of part and parcel of the religion isn't it, as is male only priests. You may not be a Roman but I'm not sure what you're against. If I was a Catholic (which I'm not) I'd probably be a traditional one

 

[Declan]

A command structure like that n the Catholic Church is a flaw . All you have to do is infiltrate and get the Mole elected Pope and all the rest will obey.
The Soviets did this way back and Pope JP2 was a hindu for all I know

 

[scolairebocht]

I think you can see some of the recent life that is being injected into Catholicism in Ireland by seeing the type of grassroots organising and participating going on these days. For example just for this weekend:
On the Friday a major conference in Knock, 'Faith in a Faithless World'.
On the Saturday, a Eucharistic procession in Derry, and similar ones all over Ireland, and to a certain extent all over the world, in concert with it. See the attached video for some idea of the crowds there.

Also on this date a HLI conference in Gorey, addressed by Mickey Harte etc.
Also the annual Catholic Voice, Lumen Fidei, conference in the Spa Hotel in Lucan, addressed by people like Paddy Early.
Also public Rosaries at 20 locations around Ireland.
On the Sunday, in Abbeyleix manor hotel, a Dana concert to start a 'Sacred Heart Crusade'

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Did any Protestants participate in the Londonderry parade Sir?

 

[scolairebocht]

I don't think so, it was obviously a Catholic thing.

 

[scolairebocht]

The Divine Mercy Conferences have been a thing I think for about 10 years in the RDS in Dublin at the beginning of the year, but nobody remembers it like this year, from www.motheofgod.com:
"I heard the Divine Mercy Conference in Dublin, Ireland was packed out over last weekend with many being turned away. The ushers never remembered it being so full. I think it holds approx. 7k."
Thats the main arena of the RDS, possibly the biggest venue site in Ireland, part of this strange Catholic revival in this country that can be seen in this thread?

 

[scolairebocht]

Just another point from what people are now recognising as the, small as of yet, Catholic revival in this country:

 

[scolairebocht]

Just a few comments from that twitter feed:

"Thank you, I've also noticed an increase in attendance at services
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I've noticed an increase since the covid scam and it's lovely to see a lot of young couples with their children too.
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Declan this is great to see. In my parish Saturday night mass & Sunday mass numbers have greatly increased. All Christmas services were out the door.
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I've noticed a big increase in our local chapel this past year. Lots of young families with kids, it's great. In saying that we do have a priest who doesn't waffle on to the sound of his own voice at homily time!
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Declan I returned about 4 years ago and I am glad I did
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We had a whole school mass at our parish church today & for the 1st time that I can remember we couldn’t all fit in because of the number of parishioners there. Was heartwarming!
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In my town they were giving the ashes on the street. I noticed lots of people had got them. Noticeable. I wonder why.
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Our local church in carrigaline, cork was also packed at 9.30 am. Priest acknowledged how full the church was. It was such a wonderful surprise.
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This evening's Mass in our Parish was also packed.
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Our church was standing room only last evening, the second of two services.
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God bless you too. I noticed my church very full lately. Today going for ashes, I was lucky I went early, packed. I’m glad to see people coming back.
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Waking up after a long Sleep !?
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Packed where I went too ????
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A great crowd at 6pm Mass in St Eustace’s Dominican Church in Newbridge, Co Kildare too. Plenty of families with children there which is always lovely to see.
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It is very noticeable especially so at funerals. I think there is a sense that our Christianity is in danger from within and without.
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Plenty ashes on show in public this year here in Cork, especially amongst school kids.
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Because people are realizing what's creeping in under our noses that's why.
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I have seen significant increase in younger people (under 30)attending Sunday Mass in last 12 months."

So its happening, I will not claim to know why, but am delighted!

 

[scolairebocht]

Another huge Catholic event, this time a Eucharistic procession in Athlone. Many people couldn't get a seat in the large Church afterwards, a little video from it:

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

To what end for all of this Bocht?

 

[scolairebocht]

The Revival of Catholic Ireland, the success of the new Counter Reformation!

 

[clarke-connolly]

To what end for all of this Bocht?

If / When the fighting starts ~ ~ We are going to need the, Catholics / Christians ~ ~ If ya go back far enough the, Catholics / Christians, have a good record against the Muslims ( Home and Away )

 

[AUL LAD]

The Revival of Catholic Ireland, the success of the new Counter Reformation!

there is no revival in the young none in the young families .
there is an American type wish to belong to an ethnic group and to have use of the church for christenings and weddings and funerals .
there is more true love for kilkenny hurling than for the kilkenny christian church .
in the gyms in the county where non drinkers spend time the Jacuzzi is the communal discussion pit and i have to leave my spot and go elsewhere when the fevered discussion of the maneuverings of the up and coming team panel are inevitably brought up and the sharing of intelligence is frighting .
everything is known -what they are doing in uni what position they play for ucd who they pushed off the team there who they are going to push off the team here .
i find it similar to a woman's discussion about their periods -- unplug- unplug fast and remove yourself to somewhere else .
nobody discusses Christianity -nobody .
the same amount of time is spent discussing nationalism --NONE consciousness - society -philosophy- paintings -art- poetry dreams and aspirations NONE.
we have been house trained to reject Christianity by Marxists who are threatened by christian and or the knowledge of self and your place in society and there is no discussion of society allowed anywhere amongst the public .
we are told the greatest thing/person/being we can be is an INDIVIDUAL this magic creation therefore does not need society/ Christianity and is therefore defenseless against the Marxists who wish to rule us and rob us and our children of everything they can .
Victor Orban in a great speech in the last 2 days made clear to his people what the people of Hungary believe in and hope for --i do not have it to hand but the national day of Hungary is march 15th and he gave a fiery speech but google will not show it as it is fiery and truthful and above all christian .

 

[scolairebocht]

No, the revival is among the young as well I think, and actually some of them do sit around talking about nationalism and Christianity etc. e.g. A few days after the Dublin riots I was talking to about 8 people who particapated, all in their 20s and 30s all in third level or working and they were quoting St Thomas Aquinas back at me!

But yes in some places there is way too much emphasis on sport, I agree. Rugby and hurling and the Premier League, for some people it probably is a religion, and shouldn't be!

 

[Declan]

Ireland started the descent the first time Jimmy Hill appeared on that 19 inch GEC black and white.

 

[clarke-connolly]

Ireland started the descent the first time Jimmy Hill appeared on that 19 inch GEC black and white.

With that, Jib of a Chin with Beard ! !

 

[scolairebocht]

Just to address that point about the young and this revival: well one of the great occasions of the traditional movement, and particularly its younger quotient, is the annual Pentecost Paris-Chartres (or Chartres-Paris) pilgrimage. It attracts a younger crowd because its more a march than a walk and is pretty arduous, anyway now, for the first time, its sold out, they cannot accomodate the huge numbers:

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

There's no young Catholics in Ireland Bocht. I'm afraid you'd best get used to it.

 

[AN2]

There's no young Catholics in Ireland Bocht. I'm afraid you'd best get used to it.

I like Bocht and I know that his heart is in the right place but he's a rather hopefully deluded man