To The Moon

[Hermit]

Great. Please provide evidence.

What aerospace or engineering division was he in?
What missions did he work on?

Watch his videos if you're interested. He's an artist, he wasn't working on missions, he was painting planets and space shit.

 

[Kangal]

Thanks for proving me right.

Yeah, the Soviets running out of cash to buy grain, eight years before they completely collapsed, absolutely makes you right

Ah Dec. You need a pat on the head.

 

[Wolf]

Keep to topic.

It's like you've let the nerds take up residence in the back room.
They'll be Twattering about chess next.

 

[Kangal]

He's an artist, he wasn't working on missions, he was painting planets and space shit.

Oh.

What data does he have that shows its all fake? Where is it published? He's got NASA files, right?

 

[Declan]

Yeah, the Soviets running out of cash to buy grain, eight years before they completely collapsed, absolutely makes you right

Ah Dec. You need a pat on the head.

The americans banks giving the soviets money makes me right.

 

[Declan]

He has more important issues at the moment. To a politician, going against the flow in anything can be fatal
The question should be, why didn't the Soviets and Chinese do so in 1969.

 

[Declan]

Shut up Jarry. The americans lent the Soviets the money and shipped them the grain , instead of letting them collapse,, for decades, end of story.

Quit derailing this thread.

 

[Kangal]

The americans banks giving the soviets money makes me right.

The Americans forcing the Soviets into debt from 1982 onwards, 9 years before the collapse of the USSR, to buy American grain to feed their own Soviet population makes you wrong.

You started this conversation on grain, remember.

Let's move on.

 

[Declan]

No point in replying to this thread anymore if you're not a Moon landings conspiracy theorist and/or flat Earth creationist

Certainly no point in handbagging. If you think they landed on the moon, fire ahead.

 

[Hermit]

Oh.

What data does he have that shows its all fake? Where is it published? He's got NASA files, right?

I never said he had data that "shows it's all fake." I never said he had NASA files. I said he is a whistleblower. It was his job as an artist at NASA that made him realise that space is fake. He doesn't have the smoking gun to expose the whole thing, no. He "blew the whistle" by leaving his job and making videos about it to let people know. People are free to make up their own minds about it.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Why doesn't Putin expose the moon landings if they are fake?

He has bigger fish to fry.

 

[Kangal]

He doesn't have the smoking gun to expose the whole thing, no.

So he doesn't have any evidence to back up his claims. He's not a whistleblower, he's a spoofer.

Let's move on.

 

[Kangal]

I never said he had data that "shows it's all fake." I never said he had NASA files.

I didn't say you did. But this is the kind of thing he needs to be a credible whistleblower: evidence. I know Snowden is a high bar but something on that scale.
Instead you send us a crock of shit.

 

[valamhic]

100000 people kept the secret because otherwise it was a long sentence in Leavenworth Prison..

I meet people all the times who will answer that the answer to my question is classified and they can not discuss.

If you get a job fixing the plumbing in the Pentagon building, that is all you get to do. You will not find out one state secret. Only the astronauts and camera men knew what was happening. At best 100 more knew about the it.

They were sworn to secrecy. The risk of success was put at 10,000 / 1 and even if you move that to 10/1 you have to multiply it by 6 as they went 6 times. 60 /1 for all six missions. If you assessed the odds in 1975 at any figure
say 60% that they did go, you have to include all that was discovered in the interim. The fact that no one ever went a quarter of the way there and came back is a big thing, the fact they did not go back since. It was a politician got them to go and it is Trump who suggested they go again. Neither had a clue about the risks
or technical details.

 

[Mad as Fish]

If you get a job fixing the plumbing in the Pentagon building, that is all you get to do. You will not find out one state secret. Only the astronauts and camera men knew what was happening. At best 100 more knew about the it.

They were sworn to secrecy. The risk of success was put at 10,000 / 1 and even if you move that to 10/1 you have to multiply it by 6 as they went 6 times. 60 /1 for all six missions. If you assessed the odds in 1975 at any figure
say 60% that they did go, you have to include all that was discovered in the interim. The fact that no one ever went a quarter of the way there and came back is a big thing, the fact they did not go back since. It was a politician got them to go and it is Trump who suggested they go again. Neither had a clue about the risks
or technical details.

The question then becomes what became of all the money, was it siphoned off for some dark project or simply pocketed? Was the moonshot in fact a cover for financing something else, and if so, what?

 

[valamhic]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfRNeBYGLl4&t=701s

 

[Hermit]

Video of these clowns at 8:08 in this video:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noq4OtiZ54I

100 more space fakery examples here:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqNFr-Z4Gbw

 

[A Man Called Charolais]

The show will begin at 7:30 a.m. EST (1230 GMT), the time SpaceX plans to start its launch webcast. About 10 minutes later, Starship's 39 Raptor engines — 33 on the Super Heavy first stage and six on the upper-stage spacecraft, known as Starship — will begin to chill ahead of ignition, according to SpaceX's mission description.

Ten seconds before launch, SpaceX will activate the water deluge system beneath Starbase's orbital launch mount.

...

If all goes according to plan, Starship's two stages will separate two minutes and 41 seconds after liftoff. This will be accomplished via "hot staging," in which the upper stage engines begin firing shortly before separation.

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Super Heavy will perform several engine burns over the next few minutes, steering itself toward a splashdown in the Gulf of Mexico around seven minutes after liftoff.

The Starship upper stage, meanwhile, will continue powering its way upward and eastward, reaching a top speed close to orbital velocity (which is around 17,000 mph, or 27,400 kph). But the vehicle won't complete a circuit of Earth; roughly 90 minutes after liftoff, it will come down in the Pacific near Hawaii for "an exciting landing," SpaceX's mission description states.

SpaceX's 2nd Starship launch on Nov. 18: How it will work - Space.com


Second test flight launch window to open from 1 pm on Saturday. Should be a good show.

 

[Hermit]

The ISS is alleged to travel at 17,000mph. This is what an object travelling at 6,599mph looks like:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qeoH_8jQ5E

The test track is a 10-mile long, precision-aligned track that provides scientists and engineers a platform from which to conduct their various missions.

There should be 66 feet of earth curvature drop over the 10-mile distance of this track, meaning the track should also be curved, but in reality both earth's surface and the track are flat.

 

[A Man Called Charolais]

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[A Man Called Charolais]

So, the first stage detonated after stage separation and the second stage detonated towards the end of its first burn as it went out of view from the ground. It appears that the stages detonated due to trajectory drift - so a flight control issue.


Test vectors:

Launchpad - there was no visible debris field suggesting the new water deluge system worked, this requires further examination of the pad but it seems largely intact.
Liftoff - the vehicle did not move sideways off the launch pad this time indicating the system took off as planned. Once again, this massive vehicle cleared the pad and proceeded to the main phase of its launch.
Engine integrity - all the engines worked nominally indicating that there was no debris field from the launch and any quality issues for the mass produced engines were resolved.
Max Q - the vehicle successfully went through the maximum dynamic pressure again, remaining intact. It isn't known if there was any damage on the systems due to the pressure that caused any subsequent problems to guidance or controls but they have more data on it. The construction methods are again vindicated although we have no information on any structural alignment issues.
Stage separation - the two stages successfully separated this time with the addition of the hot staging ring (which means that the Starship portion (2nd stage) could start its engines before the Booster portion (1st stage) was out of the way). Damage due to this early engine start may have been the reason why the first stage was lost.
Flight termination system - the auto-detonation system operated successfully this time for both stages
Engine gimbal system - a new electrical, rather than hydraulic, system was installed for this test flight. This may be a failure point.
Orbital insertion - this did not go as planned, apparently during a phase where the vehicle was just on the boundary of communications range and very close to the shut down of the first burn of the Starship's engines.


We should remember that this is the first time that much of this equipment was used in this way. The primary hold-ups to the second test flight were the flight termination system, the launch pad, and the environmental impact. All these appear to have been resolved. Other items were the engine problems and stage separation from the first test. These appear to have been resolved. So much winning.

It's likely another test will be approved in the near future after a close examination of this launch.

 

[clarke-connolly]

So, the first stage detonated after stage separation and the second stage detonated towards the end of its first burn as it went out of view from the ground. It appears that the stages detonated due to trajectory drift - so a flight control issue.


Test vectors:

Launchpad - there was no visible debris field suggesting the new water deluge system worked, this requires further examination of the pad but it seems largely intact.
Liftoff - the vehicle did not move sideways off the launch pad this time indicating the system took off as planned. Once again, this massive vehicle cleared the pad and proceeded to the main phase of its launch.
Engine integrity - all the engines worked nominally indicating that there was no debris field from the launch and any quality issues for the mass produced engines were resolved.
Max Q - the vehicle successfully went through the maximum dynamic pressure again, remaining intact. It isn't known if there was any damage on the systems due to the pressure that caused any subsequent problems to guidance or controls but they have more data on it. The construction methods are again vindicated although we have no information on any structural alignment issues.
Stage separation - the two stages successfully separated this time with the addition of the hot staging ring (which means that the Starship portion (2nd stage) could start its engines before the Booster portion (1st stage) was out of the way). Damage due to this early engine start may have been the reason why the first stage was lost.
Flight termination system - the auto-detonation system operated successfully this time for both stages
Engine gimbal system - a new electrical, rather than hydraulic, system was installed for this test flight. This may be a failure point.
Orbital insertion - this did not go as planned, apparently during a phase where the vehicle was just on the boundary of communications range and very close to the shut down of the first burn of the Starship's engines.


We should remember that this is the first time that much of this equipment was used in this way. The primary hold-ups to the second test flight were the flight termination system, the launch pad, and the environmental impact. All these appear to have been resolved. Other items were the engine problems and stage separation from the first test. These appear to have been resolved. So much winning.

It's likely another test will be approved in the near future after a close examination of this launch.

Comprehensive Review = = Thanks.

 

[Declan]

Just tuning in.

So it was a failure that is presented as a great success(?)

 

[A Man Called Charolais]

Just tuning in.

So it was a failure that is presented as a great success(?)

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There was a "IT'S HAPPENING" feeling about it. It's been a while since there was a genuine USA USA USA moment and it was there. Space X has been ruthlessly successful and it showed another example of that track record today. You should give it a chance.

 

[Kangal]

Space X has been ruthlessly successful and it showed another example of that track record today. You should give it a chance.

It was pretty impressive for just the second all up test.

 

[Kangal]

Just tuning in.

So it was a failure that is presented as a great success(?)

That's what SpaceX do. It was the same when they were trying to stick the landing of the boosters.

 

[Declan]

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There was a "IT'S HAPPENING" feeling about it. It's been a while since there was a genuine USA USA USA moment and it was there. Space X has been ruthlessly successful and it showed another example of that track record today. You should give it a chance.

I believe December 24 is the launch of landers to the moon.

Peregrine Mission One - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[A Man Called Charolais]

I believe December 24 is the launch of landers to the moon.

Peregrine Mission One - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

cool

 

[A Man Called Charolais]

Here's the launch if you haven't seen it.

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[Hermit]

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

There is video evidence from 2014 that the US military is in possession of technology that most would describe as Alien. Objects that fly with some sort of gravity propulsion with unbelievable speed and maneuverability, shielded by a vacuum layer that can potentially penetrate anything.

View: https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1725935763085484538

 

[clarke-connolly]

Why would Aliens come to Earth = = Surely / Shirley, they would have much Cooler Stuff to be doing ! !

 

[A Man Called Charolais]

Apparently the failure of the booster phase was due to fuel wash - essentially there was an airlock in the pipes feeding some of the engines as it swung around which meant they didn't restart.

When the methane runs through as a gas it causes damage to the engine which then may have caused others to fail as the engines disintegrated.

The explosion may have been a consequence of the fuel running back up fractured tubing to the centre of the first stage causing the explosion - so not a flight termination event (looked like one to me) as it was still was within the launch field of operation so unlikely to have been detonated.

They don't know about the Starship vehicle as it was too far from view.

The launch pad appears to be fine. Starship lost heat shield tiles on the way up. Still a win!

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[Declan]

Apparently the failure of the booster phase was due to fuel wash - essentially there was an airlock in the pipes feeding some of the engines as it swung around which meant they didn't restart.

When the methane runs through as a gas it causes damage to the engine which then may have caused others to fail as the engines disintegrated.

The explosion may have been a consequence of the fuel running back up fractured tubing to the centre of the first stage causing the explosion - so not a flight termination event (looked like one to me) as it was still was within the launch field of operation so unlikely to have been detonated.

They don't know about the Starship vehicle as it was too far from view.

The launch pad appears to be fine. Starship lost heat shield tiles on the way up. Still a win!

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But it was supposed to be flawless 65 years ago

 

[A Man Called Charolais]

But it was supposed to be flawless 65 years ago

That was a different vehicle. In fairness, you can't gainsay the magnificent progress in space exploration since the landing of Apollo 11 on the moon, which was the fifth Apollo mission.

A correction to the above (a bit late when I posted Scott's and Marcus' observations) the Starship - as per Manley - inexplicably vented a portion of its remaining oxygen prior to its detonation. He speculated that the flight computer calculated that it would not reach its insertion point so activated the flight termination system. We've yet to hear of details from Space X and it'll probably be a while before they provide anything.

This flight termination system system is very important safety component to the FAA and the demonstration that it operated effectively is an enormous portion of whether the test was successful or not - it opens up further testing without the long delays experienced after the first launch. Starship was probably bound to burn up on re-entry due to the loss of heat shield tiles during launch.

They have a bunch of Boosters and Starships ready to go - although there may be a bit of tinkering before the next system is ready. Space X and Musk is to the C21st what Isambard Kingdom Brunel was to the C19th. We still haven't seen Blue Origin do anything other than play with a phallic toy - Bezos needs to do something. Space X has put America an order of magnitude in front of its competitors in launch cadence and capacity and complements NASA's other extraordinarily successful off-world science missions like the astonishing James Webb telescope and Mars rovers.

It would be nice to displace a nuclear arms race with a space exploration and resource race.

 

[Kangal]

But it was supposed to be flawless 65 years ago

It wasn't, in that a lot of the static test firings failed. Especially the F1 engines. It took a long time to get to the point each stage was ready to fly and be stacked together for the first Saturn 5 launches. And the US poured money into the testing.

SpaceX is operating on a shoestring with tge Apollo program, with far less testing, so the comparison can't be made.

 

[Declan]

That was a different vehicle. In fairness, you can't gainsay the magnificent progress in space exploration since the landing of Apollo 11 on the moon, which was the fifth Apollo mission.

A correction to the above (a bit late when I posted Scott's and Marcus' observations) the Starship - as per Manley - inexplicably vented a portion of its remaining oxygen prior to its detonation. He speculated that the flight computer calculated that it would not reach its insertion point so activated the flight termination system. We've yet to hear of details from Space X and it'll probably be a while before they provide anything.

This flight termination system system is very important safety component to the FAA and the demonstration that it operated effectively is an enormous portion of whether the test was successful or not - it opens up further testing without the long delays experienced after the first launch. Starship was probably bound to burn up on re-entry due to the loss of heat shield tiles during launch.

They have a bunch of Boosters and Starships ready to go - although there may be a bit of tinkering before the next system is ready. Space X and Musk is to the C21st what Isambard Kingdom Brunel was to the C19th. We still haven't seen Blue Origin do anything other than play with a phallic toy - Bezos needs to do something. Space X has put America an order of magnitude in front of its competitors in launch cadence and capacity and complements NASA's other extraordinarily successful off-world science missions like the astonishing James Webb telescope and Mars rovers.

It would be nice to displace a nuclear arms race with a space exploration and resource race.

What progress. If you believe the official story, then man has not gone beyond LEO since doing so in 1968, 55 years ago.

I believe they NEVER got beyond Low Earth Orbit.

 

[A Man Called Charolais]

What progress. If you believe the official story, then man has not gone beyond LEO since doing so in 1968, 55 years ago.

I believe they NEVER got beyond Low Earth Orbit.

'And if ever the question of "Is NASA worth it?" should cross your mind, it's about as much of a slam dunk investment as you'll find. Various economic analyses on NASA funding over the years, like this 2020 economic impact study, consistently find that for every dollar of NASA funding, the direct and indirect economic gain is between $7 to $14.'

16 NASA Inventions We Use Every Day - How To Geek


List of NASA spinoffs in Massachusetts

https://spinoff.nasa.gov/map?state=MA


'One of the largest hazards for astronauts traveling to Mars will be overcoming exposure to high energy radiation from the solar wind, solar storms, and galactic cosmic rays that originate outside of our solar system. This radiation is more damaging to humans than medical X-rays used to see broken bones or treat cancer.

The Earth’s magnetosphere traps the high energy radiation particles and shields the Earth from the solar storms and the constantly streaming solar wind that can damage technology as well as people living on Earth.

These trapped particles form two belts of radiation, known as the Van Allen Belts, that surround the Earth like enormous donuts. The outer belt is made up of billions of high-energy particles that originate from the Sun and the inner belt results from interactions of cosmic rays with Earth’s atmosphere.

Astronauts must fly though the Van Allen Belts to reach outer space, so it is important to fly through this region quickly to limit their exposure to radiation. Sensitive electronics on satellites and space craft traveling through the Van Allen Belts also need to be protected from the radiation.'

https://science.nasa.gov/biological-physical/stories/van-allen-belts/


Once NASA demonstrated the ability to travel to, land, and return from the moon they were confronted with the fact that they did not have the technology to do so safely and effectively. They turned instead to developing their capacity in Low Earth Orbit.

By having access to microgravity for experimentation, and the challenge of developing technology to establish a permanent presence in space, they were laying the foundations for future manned missions outside the protection of the magnetosphere.

That's basically why the Apollo missions were stopped and there's been none since. A cost-benefit analysis was done. Our technology has had a Cambrian-like explosion since.

 

[Declan]

We await Artimus 2 next November. Lrss than a year.

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

We await Artimus 2 next November. Lrss than a year.

I wonder who will get the contract for the CGI special fx?