Ukraine.

[Mad as Fish]

Anyway lads, it appears that the Ruskies are flying their choppers all over the Donetsk region with impunity, as I asked before, where are all the expensive game changers ready to shoot them down?

 

[jpc]

You are following her account. And as for Zvezda...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zvezda_(TV_channel)



I don't know which is more pathetic. Your stupid reply or the fact 2 posters found it funny.

You are a pathetically abusive creature.
To the point of a being parody poster.
Maybe that's your job.
So how come you haven't headed for Ukraine to volunteer yourself for the cause.

 

[jpc]

Anyway lads, it appears that the Ruskies are flying their choppers all over the Donetsk region with impunity, as I asked before, where are all the expensive game changers ready to shoot them down?

In the warehouses.
Oh hang on!

 

[Mad as Fish]

You are a pathetically abusive creature.
To the point of a being parody poster.
Maybe that's your job.
So how come you haven't headed for Ukraine to volunteer yourself for the cause.

Perhaps even the Ukrainians have standards after all.

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

.....and what country is Zelenskii in today?... Place your bets....

 

[Deleted member 1]

You are following her account. And as for Zvezda...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zvezda_(TV_channel)



I don't know which is more pathetic. Your stupid reply or the fact 2 posters found it funny.

No I'm not following her account. I'm banned from her channel anyway. As I stated the footage is from a Russian news channel. She is in no way responsible for it. Say what you want about Zvesda, but western msm is quite happy to use their footage when it suits them. Also remember that some of the British New channels carry a 'government funded' tag on twitter. So you're argument that it is tied to the Russian government is irrelevant.

I'm not going to post any further images or footage of this, other than an aerial view., to show the exact area that was hit.

So answer me this. If the Ukrainians have held their positions, how did they magically let Russians into the checkpoint area to stage these photos?

 

[jpc]

Here's an interesting article that's counter to a lot of the narrative around here.
A bit of a Psyop?
Or something else in Russian political intriguing.

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

It is intriguing. Who these sacrificial lambs were?????? Maybe those irish lads were among those sent.

Smo Duffy and his Platoon?

 

[Declan]

Can we assume the diversionary incursion has melted away. Also can we assume that the ukes have not made any attempt at a counterattack.

So next question, are the Russians pausing or moving further west??

 

[Deleted member 1]

Here's an interesting article that's counter to a lot of the narrative around here.
A bit of a Psyop?
Or something else in Russian political intriguing.

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

In fairness, he's very angry with the way MOD command is conducting business. It's costing not only the lives of his soldiers, but also time, which is really not on Russia's side here. He's very pragmatic. Wagner's task is done for now. It was to deliver Bachmut. So they're next contract will need to be negotiated and I think this time he will demand that Shoigin leaves his position. This is Rybar's account of the interview for comparison. Zerohedge's one comes from Newsweek. Great article though.....

The head of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin gave an hour and a half interview to media technologist Konstantin Dolgov. Although throughout the conversation they go over and over again through the Russian elites and the decision-making system, there are quite interesting details in the interview that can be perceived without emotional overtones.

By June 1 - with a backlash of up to 10 days - PMCs should "as correctly" transfer Bakhmut to units of the RF Armed Forces. If the Russian Ministry of Defense is unable to do this, then this fact, according to Prigozhin, will discredit the RF Armed Forces and make PMCs more combat-ready than regular troops. And from the point of view of public administration, this is incorrect.

At the beginning of the siege of Bakhmut, there were 35 thousand fighters in the ranks of PMCs. For all the time of the NWO , 50 thousand people were recruited among the prisoners. 20% of them ( 10 thousand prisoners ) died in battle. Another 10 thousand full-time PMC fighters also died.

According to the results of the battle for Bakhmut (Artyomovsk), the loss of the Armed Forces of Ukraine killed - 50 thousand people, wounded - 50-70 thousand people.

If Artyomovsk is surrendered, then Wagner PMC will first go “within the law and in jackets with bloody hands” to Frunzenskaya Embankment to ask uncomfortable questions, and then they will go again to save the Motherland.

Territorial defense is the most pragmatic decision that could be made in the current conditions. It is not the task of the FSB to fight off the DRG, but the Ministry of Defense. And the locals could help.

According to Prigozhin, the ideal candidates for the post of Minister of Defense and Chief of the General Staff are Mizintsev and Surovikin. The minister of defense, he said, should not be a "political figure" but deal with the military machine.

“Society always demands justice”, and if there is no justice, then “revolutionary moods arise”.

Hurrah-patriotism is good only for a short period of time. And jingoistic patriotism based on invented facts makes “people play the fool and do nothing” – this is the “Navalny effect”.

The war is p$dorastic in nature, both sides call each other p$doras.

Prigogine's political credo: "I love Russia, I don't care about Shoigu, we will continue to fight."

There are two scenarios - an optimistic one, which Prigogine does not believe in, and a not very optimistic one. The first option is that Europe and the United States will get tired, China will put everyone at the negotiating table, where Russia will say to the taken territories “This is all ours” and they will listen to it.

The pessimistic scenario is that the Ukrainians are given missiles, they have trained troops and command staff, equipment, they will continue fighting and counterattack (possibly successfully), and then they will try to restore the borders until 2014. For Russia, this scenario will not be good, so you need to prepare for a difficult war.

We need to stop building glass towers and fattening, we need to work only for the war, transferring all production to military needs and declaring additional waves of mobilization. First you need to stabilize the front, and only then deal with civilian things.

 

[jpc]

In fairness, he's very angry with the way MOD command is conducting business. It's costing not only the lives of his soldiers, but also time, which is really not on Russia's side here. He's very pragmatic. Wagner's task is done for now. It was to deliver Bachmut. So they're next contract will need to be negotiated and I think this time he will demand that Shoigin leaves his position. This is Rybar's account of the interview for comparison. Zerohedge's one comes from Newsweek. Great article though.....

The head of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin gave an hour and a half interview to media technologist Konstantin Dolgov. Although throughout the conversation they go over and over again through the Russian elites and the decision-making system, there are quite interesting details in the interview that can be perceived without emotional overtones.

By June 1 - with a backlash of up to 10 days - PMCs should "as correctly" transfer Bakhmut to units of the RF Armed Forces. If the Russian Ministry of Defense is unable to do this, then this fact, according to Prigozhin, will discredit the RF Armed Forces and make PMCs more combat-ready than regular troops. And from the point of view of public administration, this is incorrect.

At the beginning of the siege of Bakhmut, there were 35 thousand fighters in the ranks of PMCs. For all the time of the NWO , 50 thousand people were recruited among the prisoners. 20% of them ( 10 thousand prisoners ) died in battle. Another 10 thousand full-time PMC fighters also died.

According to the results of the battle for Bakhmut (Artyomovsk), the loss of the Armed Forces of Ukraine killed - 50 thousand people, wounded - 50-70 thousand people.

If Artyomovsk is surrendered, then Wagner PMC will first go “within the law and in jackets with bloody hands” to Frunzenskaya Embankment to ask uncomfortable questions, and then they will go again to save the Motherland.

Territorial defense is the most pragmatic decision that could be made in the current conditions. It is not the task of the FSB to fight off the DRG, but the Ministry of Defense. And the locals could help.

According to Prigozhin, the ideal candidates for the post of Minister of Defense and Chief of the General Staff are Mizintsev and Surovikin. The minister of defense, he said, should not be a "political figure" but deal with the military machine.

“Society always demands justice”, and if there is no justice, then “revolutionary moods arise”.

Hurrah-patriotism is good only for a short period of time. And jingoistic patriotism based on invented facts makes “people play the fool and do nothing” – this is the “Navalny effect”.

The war is p$dorastic in nature, both sides call each other p$doras.

Prigogine's political credo: "I love Russia, I don't care about Shoigu, we will continue to fight."

There are two scenarios - an optimistic one, which Prigogine does not believe in, and a not very optimistic one. The first option is that Europe and the United States will get tired, China will put everyone at the negotiating table, where Russia will say to the taken territories “This is all ours” and they will listen to it.

The pessimistic scenario is that the Ukrainians are given missiles, they have trained troops and command staff, equipment, they will continue fighting and counterattack (possibly successfully), and then they will try to restore the borders until 2014. For Russia, this scenario will not be good, so you need to prepare for a difficult war.

We need to stop building glass towers and fattening, we need to work only for the war, transferring all production to military needs and declaring additional waves of mobilization. First you need to stabilize the front, and only then deal with civilian things.

Russian bureaucracy doing what bureaucracy does.

 

[Deleted member 1]

Russian bureaucracy doing what bureaucracy does.

Exactly. There no point pretending that it doesn't have the same issues as elsewhere.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Russian bureaucracy doing what bureaucracy does.

In fairness, he's very angry with the way MOD command is conducting business. It's costing not only the lives of his soldiers, but also time, which is really not on Russia's side here. He's very pragmatic. Wagner's task is done for now. It was to deliver Bachmut. So they're next contract will need to be negotiated and I think this time he will demand that Shoigin leaves his position. This is Rybar's account of the interview for comparison. Zerohedge's one comes from Newsweek. Great article though.....

The head of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin gave an hour and a half interview to media technologist Konstantin Dolgov. Although throughout the conversation they go over and over again through the Russian elites and the decision-making system, there are quite interesting details in the interview that can be perceived without emotional overtones.

By June 1 - with a backlash of up to 10 days - PMCs should "as correctly" transfer Bakhmut to units of the RF Armed Forces. If the Russian Ministry of Defense is unable to do this, then this fact, according to Prigozhin, will discredit the RF Armed Forces and make PMCs more combat-ready than regular troops. And from the point of view of public administration, this is incorrect.

At the beginning of the siege of Bakhmut, there were 35 thousand fighters in the ranks of PMCs. For all the time of the NWO , 50 thousand people were recruited among the prisoners. 20% of them ( 10 thousand prisoners ) died in battle. Another 10 thousand full-time PMC fighters also died.

According to the results of the battle for Bakhmut (Artyomovsk), the loss of the Armed Forces of Ukraine killed - 50 thousand people, wounded - 50-70 thousand people.

If Artyomovsk is surrendered, then Wagner PMC will first go “within the law and in jackets with bloody hands” to Frunzenskaya Embankment to ask uncomfortable questions, and then they will go again to save the Motherland.

Territorial defense is the most pragmatic decision that could be made in the current conditions. It is not the task of the FSB to fight off the DRG, but the Ministry of Defense. And the locals could help.

According to Prigozhin, the ideal candidates for the post of Minister of Defense and Chief of the General Staff are Mizintsev and Surovikin. The minister of defense, he said, should not be a "political figure" but deal with the military machine.

“Society always demands justice”, and if there is no justice, then “revolutionary moods arise”.

Hurrah-patriotism is good only for a short period of time. And jingoistic patriotism based on invented facts makes “people play the fool and do nothing” – this is the “Navalny effect”.

The war is p$dorastic in nature, both sides call each other p$doras.

Prigogine's political credo: "I love Russia, I don't care about Shoigu, we will continue to fight."

There are two scenarios - an optimistic one, which Prigogine does not believe in, and a not very optimistic one. The first option is that Europe and the United States will get tired, China will put everyone at the negotiating table, where Russia will say to the taken territories “This is all ours” and they will listen to it.

The pessimistic scenario is that the Ukrainians are given missiles, they have trained troops and command staff, equipment, they will continue fighting and counterattack (possibly successfully), and then they will try to restore the borders until 2014. For Russia, this scenario will not be good, so you need to prepare for a difficult war.

We need to stop building glass towers and fattening, we need to work only for the war, transferring all production to military needs and declaring additional waves of mobilization. First you need to stabilize the front, and only then deal with civilian things.

The losses at Bakhmut are higher on both sides than was generally being reported while the ratio was way less than the 7 - 1 being touted. But then, can we trust these new figures if the fellow is out to make a point?

There appears to be something of a stalemate developing. Russia has Bakhmut but it is not following up its success, rather it is getting bogged down in politics and indecision. Ukraine, on the other hand, appears leaderless as Zelenksy flies off to collect fridge magnets from around the world, there is no one there to rally the troops and give the army some purpose. The west hasn't the arms left to keep the show running anyway so any thought of reclaiming the lost ground is pie in the sky. This gives the neocons the opportunity to keep the war rumbling on at a low level rather than admit defeat, there will be more silly incursions while Russia cleans up the rest of the arms dumps, there is no clear end in site, just a messy aftermath while the rest of the world decides what to do about it all.

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

How long more will the war last? I think I think 2 years.

a couple of a weeks you were saying that Russia was war weary and that war would be over for the end of summer. Hopefully you have a better grip on the gestation period of the little creatures that rely on you

 

[Declan]

Could it actually be over now, with both sides just holding the line. This would suit the West

 

[jpc]

I don't know about anyone else but I find this a worrying time as I just don't see the Neocons giving up, so wonder what crazy plan they'll come up with...

Stabilisation of the front and keep bleeding Russian resources.

 

[Deleted member 1]

No.

The ground hasn't fully dried for armoured warfare, and the AFU are still getting brigades and kit back from training abroad.

Don't think that's what they're waiting for.

 

[Deleted member 1]

I don't know about anyone else but I find this a worrying time as I just don't see the Neocons giving up, so wonder what crazy plan they'll come up with...

No. They're not going to. They are willing to go to a localised but catastrophic nuclear event in Ukraine if needed, I think.

 

[Deleted member 1]

I would laugh if the yanks opened fire and shot him. I think it is well worth risking nuclear war.

On who? Prigozhin? No. You've no idea of the layers of protection he has.

 

[Deleted member 1]

The losses at Bakhmut are higher on both sides than was generally being reported while the ratio was way less than the 7 - 1 being touted. But then, can we trust these new figures if the fellow is out to make a point?

There appears to be something of a stalemate developing. Russia has Bakhmut but it is not following up its success, rather it is getting bogged down in politics and indecision. Ukraine, on the other hand, appears leaderless as Zelenksy flies off to collect fridge magnets from around the world, there is no one there to rally the troops and give the army some purpose. The west hasn't the arms left to keep the show running anyway so any thought of reclaiming the lost ground is pie in the sky. This gives the neocons the opportunity to keep the war rumbling on at a low level rather than admit defeat, there will be more silly incursions while Russia cleans up the rest of the arms dumps, there is no clear end in site, just a messy aftermath while the rest of the world decides what to do about it all.

Yeah. Judging by the new figures, it's 3 Ukrainian to 1 Wagner. This is the first time Wagner has stated their losses, it has to be said.
But yes, now that Wagner have fulfilled this contract they will definitely have more political clout when negotiating the next one in the near future. Wagner are taking an initial week to regroup and prepare. So I imagine their next role is already in the pipeline. Prizoghin is pushing hard to have Mizintsev and Surovikin as chief of staffs. I think he'll get his wish.

 

[Mad as Fish]

No.

The ground hasn't fully dried for armoured warfare, and the AFU are still getting brigades and kit back from training abroad.

More target practice for the Russians, they are getting quite good at it now.

 

[Deleted member 1]

I agree! They're crazy!

Yeah. They have their well kitted out bunkers to run off to, and their stables of organ donors. Why would they give a fk.

 

[Professor]

Disaster strikes, British nuclear weapons stockpile located and distroyed in west Ukraine and causing radioactive fallout clouds to drift into Poland.
Obviously they should have stayed at home and stuck to Minsk2


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbqFiY4VLoc

 

[Declan]

That is a big claim.

BTW. Did someone saw clanrickard has a polish girlfriend and he has not been seen in a while. Maybe he is aglow??

 

[Mad as Fish]

The snuggling up between Russia and China just gets ever more snugglier. The relevance of the US hegemony to world affairs is declining rapidly and whether the Ukrainians shoot down three or four drones a day is of no consequence or interest whatsoever to the greater part of the planet.

Russia and China will stand together to repel the collective West’s attempts to maintain its global dominance, and will push back hard against such dangerous ambitions, Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin said on Wednesday.

"We sincerely cherish the long-standing bonds of good-neighborliness, partnership and cooperation between the Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China. This is of particular importance for us in the wake of increasing turbulence in the international arena," Mikhail Mishustin stressed

https://tass.com/politics/1622445

 

[Professor]

Anyway lads, it appears that the Ruskies are flying their choppers all over the Donetsk region with impunity, as I asked before, where are all the expensive game changers ready to shoot them down?

Good question? Those "EGC'ers" would end up backfiring by generating an even more violent Russian response, more loss, at a greater cost to all concerned.
Hard to imagine how Zitlers army can launch any major attack without grave danger to themselves - We get a moment to ponder on the strategy of what leads to Mutually Assured Destruction - How's it looking so far?

 

[Professor]

The Russians are now saying Patriot did it.


View: https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1661345904467533827

It doesn't matter. The Russians are holding on to their gains in East Ukraine.
Failing at Minsk2 is the Wests costliest blunder - Remember, no gains made since 2014, OK?
Pure disaster!!

 

[Mad as Fish]

He did say they were running at 27% casualties a month. So I'm not surprised.

And that is attacking a place, yet they still took the city with a smaller force than was defending it, almost unheard of in military history.

 

[Zipporah's Flint]

What happened, dickhead? Yer foreign whore/slag pegging you again?

Mod warning- I can understand how posters who flaunt Neo-Nazi avatars and than run around the place accusing others of Jew Hatred can be annoying but please try and keep things civil.

 

[Wolf]

Mod warning- I can understand how posters who flaunt Neo-Nazi avatars and than run around the place accusing others of Jew Hatred can be annoying but please try and keep things civil.

TBF, Neo-Nazis like dickhard/wanktank should be hunted into the grave, but I get ya.
Big man/small dick internet trolls who whinge like baba's to the mod team when confronted.

 

[Mad as Fish]

The question is how much more US aggression will Russia put up with. Patience must be wearing very thin!

Yep, I think it is, according to Tass -

"Today, we are being confronted by the collective West, which, in effect, is waging an undeclared war on our countries," Shoigu said.

The neocons have not given up, and if it's not Zelensky giving the orders to prepare for an attempt at retaking Bakhmut because he is out gallivanting, then who is?

 

[Wolf]

Yep, I think it is, according to Tass -

"Today, we are being confronted by the collective West, which, in effect, is waging an undeclared war on our countries," Shoigu said.

The neocons have not given up, and if it's not Zelensky giving the orders to prepare for an attempt at retaking Bakhmut because he is out gallivanting, then who is?

Zitler is anywhere but in Ukraine, crawling around the planet with his begging bowl out.......
Dead man walking.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Zitler is anywhere but in Ukraine, crawling around the planet with his begging bowl out.......
Dead man walking.

It's almost as if he has been kicked out of the way to let some real soldiers take over the kip.

 

[Zipporah's Flint]

View: https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1660777005367918592?cxt=HHwWgIC8geT4oYwuAAAA

 

[jpc]

Wagner chief warns of revolution and says 20,000 fighters killed in Bakhmut

Yevgeny Prigozhin says children of Russian elite ‘shook their arses’ in sun while sons of poor returned in coffins

www.theguardian.com

Ouch!

Old news.
We were discussing it a few days ago without the Gardian M16 conspiracy shite.

 

[jpc]

It's almost as if he has been kicked out of the way to let some real soldiers take over the kip.

That's an interesting and plausible observation.

 

[Declan]

Putin has successfully eliminated 10000 Russian criminals so he has half the task completed. Eliminating the other 10000 will likely result in the capture of Odessa and another 50000 ukrainian dead .

Meatgrinder 1 was Mariupol.
Meatgrinder 2 was Bakkmut.
Meatgrinder 3 will be Odessa.

Unless the war is already over. Are the west low on munitions etc, we shall see.

 

[Wolf]

Anyone know when Zitler's 'Spring offensive' is going to happen?
Or is he too busy on his world scabbing tour?

 

[Wolf]

If the designer war was fought on Twatter it'd be a score draw.
Any sign of Zitler or has he made off to his owners in Washington with the cash?

 

[jpc]

This quote from cyberspace is a perfect example of the power of MSM brainwashing:


NATO advised Ukraine to withdraw from Bakhmut, a long while ago, but the Ukrainians were determined that it was a way to grind down the Russian forces at a rate well in excess of their own losses.
Various sources suggest that the Russian losses were around five times greater than Ukrainian and both US and UK military experts now reckon that they were wrong, the Ukrainians correct.

Sounds like.
Hey AI give me a wishful thinking story about Bakhmut!
OK how's this?

"NATO advised Ukraine to withdraw from Bakhmut, a long while ago, but the Ukrainians were determined that it was a way to grind down the Russian forces at a rate well in excess of their own losses.
Various sources suggest that the Russian losses were around five times greater than Ukrainian and both US and UK military experts now reckon that they were wrong, the Ukrainians correct."

Cheers AI.
Sound It's not too wishful?
Naw this grand!