Ukraine.

[Myles O'Reilly]

AFU laughing in the trenches upon hearing news their commander has been KIA.

Why is there a Tricolour in the background at about 6 seconds in?

SMO.

I think we've found SMO Duffy's unit. Check out Fishalt's video.

 

[bormotello]

I can't speak to the absorption of Ukrainian assets by Western capital. There was a raiding of Russian assets in the 90s that was reversed during the first years of the Putin presidency. This is probably a lot of the reason why Putin is so vehemently regarded by corporate media. It may be that the Russian agitprop machine is projecting this on to Ukraine or it might be that this has some basis in truth.

The Maidan was about a promise that was made to the Ukrainian public by Yanukovych to begin the accession process to the EU. They were sick of the corruption and crime predating on the public and saw EU membership as a path out of it.

Yanukovych reneged on that promise and that kicked off the Maidan. True, certain actors in the West put their oar in but if the general public had not supported the expulsion of Yanukovych then the change in government would not have survived the counter-measures by the Russians.

There was a major invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. That the Ukrainians are still in the fight and in the possession of most of its territory is a testament to their determination to remain independent. The problem is the approach that has been imposed on them by moody and doltish elites. Must do better in statecraft results in thousands of deaths - it's unacceptable.

you missed one important point that it was two Ukraines at this time
first was former Polish, Austrian, and Hungarian colonies inhabited what is called now ethnic Ukrainians who want to join EU
second was Dikoe Pole colonized by Russian settlers and later become the industrial Ukrainian East
before Maidan, it was some kind of balance between East and West
but maidan was all about the destruction of this balance and giving all power to Western Ukraine
the first law that Rada made after Maidan was about banning the Russian language in Ukraine, not joining EU or NATO
this is why Crimea seceded and Donetsk/Luhansk tried to do the same

 

[A Man Called Charolais]

you missed one important point that it was two Ukraines at this time
first was former Polish, Austrian, and Hungarian colonies inhabited what is called now ethnic Ukrainians who want to join EU
second was Dikoe Pole colonized by Russian settlers and later become the industrial Ukrainian East
before Maidan, it was some kind of balance between East and West
but maidan was all about the destruction of this balance and giving all power to Western Ukraine
the first law that Rada made after Maidan was about banning the Russian language in Ukraine, not joining EU or NATO
this is why Crimea seceded and Donetsk/Luhansk tried to do the same

I agree that it was an injustice to suppress the Russian language and Russian Orthodox Church. Still, Kharkiv and Odessa stood and much of these regions were recovered. That could only have been done with native support.

The Donbas region under the DPR in particular is gangland. Crimea is a different situation.

I haven't commented much on this conflict because it's been frozen for some time and I have no fondness for watching men die.

I don't dislike Russians. I've said before that I admire Russian Orthodoxy, art and science - that there is an abundance of genius in the Russian people that is a boon to humanity.

I'm grimly opposed to Russian fatalism and the brutality that it facilitates though. And, I think that the Eastern Europe nations should have the liberty to pursue their own paths free of foreign calculation.

 

[Professor]

How EU countries could cut off the remaining Russian gas imports

A new proposal would make it easier for EU member states to phase out Russian gas completely.

www.euronews.com

The proposal comes as the EU is trying to phase out Russian gas completely from the bloc by 2027, without an outright ban on Russian gas imports. . .

. . . Russian gas shipments, Belgium, Spain and France are still allowing the import and export of Russian gas, saying that it is difficult for their companies to leave the existing contracts.

@Kangal They really do care about maintaining Russian gas. You'll note the proposed earliest date for a cut-off, a time well after the current war comes to an end. When that time occurs, part of the negotiations in good faith will be the resumption of Gas to Wukraine & Europe.
Oh and there's still a pipeline operating through Ukraine in addition to the LNG.

It doesn't. LNG from Russia may be up but its only part of Russian gas imports, which are overall down and still dropping.

The Gas is still in use and it's demand will be on the rise in times to come, rebuilding wukraine will see to that, no?
It's funny just how much the EU capital and other countries just cannot let go

 

[jpc]

How EU countries could cut off the remaining Russian gas imports

A new proposal would make it easier for EU member states to phase out Russian gas completely.

www.euronews.com

The proposal comes as the EU is trying to phase out Russian gas completely from the bloc by 2027, without an outright ban on Russian gas imports. . .

. . . Russian gas shipments, Belgium, Spain and France are still allowing the import and export of Russian gas, saying that it is difficult for their companies to leave the existing contracts.

@Kangal They really do care about maintaining Russian gas. You'll note the proposed earliest date for a cut-off, a time well after the current war comes to an end. When that time occurs, part of the negotiations in good faith will be the resumption of Gas to Wukraine & Europe.
Oh and there's still a pipeline operating through Ukraine in addition to the LNG.



The Gas is still in use and it's demand will be on the rise in times to come, rebuilding wukraine will see to that, no?
It's funny just how much the EU capital and other countries just cannot let go

That's having imbeciles in charge for you.
VDL didn't get the job because of demonstrated experience and excellence in her prior roles.
She was dumped upwards because of her calamitous performance in German government departments.
She was an embarrassing figure for Merkel to have around.
She appointed her and couldn't afford to fire her because it wouldn't have been politically expedient for frau Merkel.
The same level of competence is evident throughout the EU bureaucracy.

 

[Kangal]

The proposal comes as the EU is trying to phase out Russian gas completely from the bloc by 2027,

Thanks.

 

[Wolf]

How EU countries could cut off the remaining Russian gas imports

A new proposal would make it easier for EU member states to phase out Russian gas completely.

www.euronews.com

The proposal comes as the EU is trying to phase out Russian gas completely from the bloc by 2027, without an outright ban on Russian gas imports. . .

. . . Russian gas shipments, Belgium, Spain and France are still allowing the import and export of Russian gas, saying that it is difficult for their companies to leave the existing contracts.

@Kangal They really do care about maintaining Russian gas. You'll note the proposed earliest date for a cut-off, a time well after the current war comes to an end. When that time occurs, part of the negotiations in good faith will be the resumption of Gas to Wukraine & Europe.
Oh and there's still a pipeline operating through Ukraine in addition to the LNG.



The Gas is still in use and it's demand will be on the rise in times to come, rebuilding wukraine will see to that, no?
It's funny just how much the EU capital and other countries just cannot let go

See the way the pervert completely edited your post there to suit it's agenda?
This happens all the time and is the main reason the scumbag should be sitebanned, well that and it's thousands of other people's Twatter posts and child sexual abuse hobby (if it's allegedly Russians carrying out such attacks seemingly) . Oh, and the childlike cartoon network memes.

 

[Wolf]

How EU countries could cut off the remaining Russian gas imports

A new proposal would make it easier for EU member states to phase out Russian gas completely.

www.euronews.com

The proposal comes as the EU is trying to phase out Russian gas completely from the bloc by 2027, without an outright ban on Russian gas imports. . .

. . . Russian gas shipments, Belgium, Spain and France are still allowing the import and export of Russian gas, saying that it is difficult for their companies to leave the existing contracts.

@Kangal They really do care about maintaining Russian gas. You'll note the proposed earliest date for a cut-off, a time well after the current war comes to an end. When that time occurs, part of the negotiations in good faith will be the resumption of Gas to Wukraine & Europe.
Oh and there's still a pipeline operating through Ukraine in addition to the LNG.



The Gas is still in use and it's demand will be on the rise in times to come, rebuilding wukraine will see to that, no?
It's funny just how much the EU capital and other countries just cannot let go

Only last week Scholz the lying German blamed Russia for destroying the German ecomony by refusing to supply gas throughout the EU.
Hard to believe the gall of these fucking retarded clowns.

 

[Mad as Fish]

We can differ on this but I did note earlier that Ukraine would not have survived if it did not have the support of its population and hundreds of thousands of veteran reservists.

Russia was relying on a lack of support for the Ukrainian state when it invaded but, because it was mistaken in this, was routed from Northern Ukraine and had to do heavy work to win Mariupol despite its logistical and material advantages.

I think that many support Russia because of the same reason Socrates used Sparta as a model for parts of the Republic - his ideal state. Athens had been defeated by Sparta and, as is common, the defeated party copies the model of the victorious one.

Given the social chaos we are experiencing in the West due to the degeneration of society, an appeal to the Russians as an alternative model is made. This is why many would like to see Russia prevail in Ukraine - it might put an end to the social madness we're going through by sharpening the collective mind via the imposition of a cost on the celebration of folly and intrigue. It appears hopeless at the moment and so drastic measures are coveted.

However, the outcome of this might not be so much an Orthodox response as a CCP one of digitalised suffocation.

We can have some thanks to Johnson for closing out the COVID ordeal when he did but his journey to stop a peace deal in the Spring of 2022 was a crime against humanity. Nuland and her ilk have been nothing but a handicap and a liability.

heavy work to win Mariupol

Just on that it is worth remembering that the sticking point was the steel works, a vast and hugely significant industrial complex that offered great advantages to a defending force. That defending force also used civilians as a shield, which would have tied Russia's hands in its attempts to retake it.

It was also retaken by a mercenary army, not regular Russian troops, so it may not of had the full support of the Russian forces in a way that the real army would.

So no, I would not judge the performance of the Russian army by the situation at Mariupol other than to say they did well there while preserving the lives of the civilian hostages. We might also note that Russia has done its best to rebuild the city and house the displaced population (cue Jarry and silly pictures of the job being rushed at times) while the steelworks were damaged beyond economic repair. What Russia has done instead is encourage food processing industries to establish themselves in the city to offer alternative employment.

 

[Kangal]

Interesting analysis on the possible collapse of Russia. I don't agree with all of it, the capacity of the Russians to just give up all they have gained in standards of living may be overstated.

https://nitter.net/randymot4/status/1736357072298561684

 

[Mad as Fish]

Only last week Scholz the lying German blamed Russia for destroying the German ecomony by refusing to supply gas throughout the EU.
Hard to believe the gall of these fucking retarded clowns.

Do you remember the days of the recession when the Irish government was telling everyone that it was all our fault and if were only more like the Germans then all would be grand?

Thank God we are not, we have enough problems already.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Interesting analysis on the possible collapse of Russia. I don't agree with all of it, the capacity of the Russians to just give up all they have gained in standards of living may be overstated.

https://nitter.net/randymot4/status/1736357072298561684

Do you think anybody gives a flying fig about what you may or may not agree with?

 

[Kangal]

Russia was relying on a lack of support for the Ukrainian state when it invaded but, because it was mistaken in this, was routed from Northern Ukraine and had to do heavy work to win Mariupol despite its logistical and material advantages.

What was surprising was that the 58th Guards Combined Arms Army that was tasked with taking Mariupol wasn't short of combat experience, having gone to Chechnya and Georgia before. This and the withdrawal in the North underlined the poor state of Russian logistics, which really hasn't improved. Russia can get better, but it needs to stop fighting, withdraw, completely rethink its doctrine and then retrain its entire army. Its at least a 10 year project, especially to train up new officers and get the best of them into the important mid ranking leadership positions.

 

[Kangal]

Do you think anybody gives a flying fig about what you may or may not agree with?

Clearly some do, as evidenced on the "For 24, whose no more" thread.

Let's just stay on topic rather than resort to ridiculous name calling.

 

[clarke-connolly]

Do you remember the days of the recession when the Irish government was telling everyone that it was all our fault and if were only more like the Germans then all would be grand?

Thank God we are not, we have enough problems already.

Remember ~ When Old Brian Linehan told us that ~ ~ We couldn't all Live on this small Island when it suited the Irish Establishment to say that !

 

[Wolf]

heavy work to win Mariupol

Just on that it is worth remembering that the sticking point was the steel works, a vast and hugely significant industrial complex that offered great advantages to a defending force. That defending force also used civilians as a shield, which would have tied Russia's hands in its attempts to retake it.

It was also retaken by a mercenary army, not regular Russian troops, so it may not of had the full support of the Russian forces in a way that the real army would.

So no, I would not judge the performance of the Russian army by the situation at Mariupol other than to say they did well there while preserving the lives of the civilian hostages. We might also note that Russia has done its best to rebuild the city and house the displaced population (cue Jarry and silly pictures of the job being rushed at times) while the steelworks were damaged beyond economic repair. What Russia has done instead is encourage food processing industries to establish themselves in the city to offer alternative employment.

In Mariupol the Nazi Uki cowards of the AZOV battalion were using women and children as human shields so Russia had to take their time in order to avoid too many civilian casualties.

 

[bormotello]

The number of Ukrainians supporting EU accession appears to be growing. Fifty-nine-percent support the notion of their country becoming a member of the 28-nation-bloc. Twenty-four percent are opposed to its admission. That appears to be a new trend, as last year the number of EU-proponents in Ukraine was much lower.

These are the results of the current DW-Trends for Ukraine. The representative survey was conducted by the Office of the Ukrainian research institute, IFAK, in June 2013 on behalf of DW'S Ukrainian language department. One thousand people, between the ages of 18 and 65 years, were interviewed in Ukrainian cities with more than 50,000 people.

Ukraine: EU support up - DW
07/03/2013


Next week, an association agreement with the EU is on the table at a summit in Vilnius, Lithuania. While falling short of giving Ukraine EU member status, the agreement provides for free trade with Europe and is seen as a symbolic move westward, away from the former Communist masters in Moscow.

A furious Kremlin has used a combination of small potential carrots and huge potential sticks, warning that if Ukraine signs the agreement it could lead to economic turmoil and political unrest. Moscow wants Ukraine to join its own free trade grouping, the customs union of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan, which many have seen as an effort to reconstitute elements of the Soviet Union

Ukraine faces critical east-west tug of war over EU association agreement - The Guardian
20 Nov 2013


Thousands of people have staged fresh protests in Ukraine's capital, Kiev, at President Viktor Yanukovych's refusal to sign an EU association agreement.

Some 10,000 Demonstrators in Independence Square carried Ukrainian and EU flags late on Friday and chanted "Ukraine is Europe".

Mr Yanukovych, who attended an EU summit in Lithuania on Friday cited pressure from Russia for his decision.
A smaller rally in Kiev voiced support for the president's decision.

EU leaders meeting in the Lithuanian capital, Vilnius, warned on Friday they would not tolerate Russian interference in the bloc's relations with former Soviet republics.

Ukraine protests after Yanukovych EU deal rejection - BBC
30 November 2013


The European Parliament gave its consent to the EU-Ukraine Association agreement, which includes a Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Agreement (DCFTA), on Tuesday in Strasbourg. At the same time, the Agreement was also ratified by the Ukrainian Parliament in Kiev. The deal will establish a deep political association and economic integration between the EU and Ukraine and provide for mutual free market access.

European Parliament ratifies EU-Ukraine Association Agreement - European Parliament
16-09-2014

yep
it was 60-40
now definitely more because 3 regions escaped from Ukraine plus 5 million emigrated to Russia
more logical thing was to split Ukraine between two in 2014 to avoid bloodshed, but EU was desperate to humiliate Russia

 

[Professor]

See the way the pervert completely edited your post there to suit it's agenda?
This happens all the time and is the main reason the scumbag should be sitebanned, well that and it's thousands of other people's Twatter posts and child sexual abuse hobby (if it's allegedly Russians carrying out such attacks seemingly) . Oh, and the childlike cartoon network memes.

It's par for the course - We get used to it out around town too - Crazy day's!!

 

[A Man Called Charolais]

heavy work to win Mariupol

Just on that it is worth remembering that the sticking point was the steel works, a vast and hugely significant industrial complex that offered great advantages to a defending force. That defending force also used civilians as a shield, which would have tied Russia's hands in its attempts to retake it.

It was also retaken by a mercenary army, not regular Russian troops, so it may not of had the full support of the Russian forces in a way that the real army would.

So no, I would not judge the performance of the Russian army by the situation at Mariupol other than to say they did well there while preserving the lives of the civilian hostages. We might also note that Russia has done its best to rebuild the city and house the displaced population (cue Jarry and silly pictures of the job being rushed at times) while the steelworks were damaged beyond economic repair. What Russia has done instead is encourage food processing industries to establish themselves in the city to offer alternative employment.

Mariupol was a must win for the Russians. It took nearly 3 months to capture it. In order to do this 90% of the city was destroyed and they needed to resort to white phosphorus munitions for the steel works.

If the city had not held out for this period, soaking up Russian reserves and equipment, the route to the North would have been open. Mariupol bought the Ukrainians an invaluable delay. It is described as a defeat but it was essential to the Ukrainian's ability to consolidate their forces in the Donbas and Odessa regions. Recall how there was a fear of envelopment in and around Kramatorsk? If Mariupol had not held out Odessa would have been next.

The resilience of the Ukrainian lines in the Donbas indicated that this would not be a war of rapid movement once positions were entrenched.

 

[A Man Called Charolais]

yep
it was 60-40
now definitely more because 3 regions escaped from Ukraine plus 5 million emigrated to Russia
more logical thing was to split Ukraine between two in 2014 to avoid bloodshed, but EU was desperate to humiliate Russia

Reuters —

President Aleksandar Vucic declared victory in a snap parliamentary election on Sunday, after pollsters projected his ruling Serbian Progressive Party (SNS) was on track to easily win.

Based on votes counted in a sample of polling stations, pollsters Ipsos and CeSID predicted the populist SNS won 46.2% of votes, while the opposition center-left Serbia Against Violence (SPN) alliance is set to come second with 23.2%.

“This is an absolute victory and it makes me happy,” Vucic said after projections were made.

Serbia’s ruling party set to win parliamentary election - CNN

 

[Mad as Fish]

Mariupol was a must win for the Russians. It took nearly 3 months to capture it. In order to do this 90% of the city was destroyed and they needed to resort to white phosphorus munitions for the steel works.

If the city had not held out for this period, soaking up Russian reserves and equipment, the route to the North would have been open. Mariupol bought the Ukrainians an invaluable delay. It is described as a defeat but it was essential to the Ukrainian's ability to consolidate their forces in the Donbas and Odessa regions. Recall how there was a fear of envelopment in and around Kramatorsk? If Mariupol had not held out Odessa would have been next.

The resilience of the Ukrainian lines in the Donbas indicated that this would not be a war of rapid movement once positions were entrenched.

.....and the Ukrainians resorted to holding woman and children as hostages. Do you expect that to be applauded?

 

[A Man Called Charolais]

.....and the Ukrainians resorted to holding woman and children as hostages. Do you expect that to be applauded?

I'm not sure that's the case. It may have been the response Russian sources used to justify the heavy bombardment of the city with civilians in it. Do you recall the bombing of the theatre?

 

[Kangal]

I'm not sure that's the case. It may have been the response Russian sources used to justify the heavy bombardment of the city with civilians in it. Do you recall the bombing of the theatre?

I wish you well on this line of argument and others. You however are going against the grain with many posters who persist in following the Russian line without fail. It will be interesting to see how long it will take before posters resort to personal attacks.

 

[Fishalt]

Ukraine war: Kyiv forced to cut military operations as foreign aid dries up

A top general says diminishing foreign military aid is already having an impact on the battlefield.

www.bbc.com

 

[Mad as Fish]

I wish you well on this line of argument and others. You however are going against the grain with many posters who persist in following the Russian line without fail. It will be interesting to see how long it will take before posters resort to personal attacks.

Aha! The tag team is showing its colours.

 

[Fishalt]

I'm not sure that's the case. It may have been the response Russian sources used to justify the heavy bombardment of the city with civilians in it. Do you recall the bombing of the theatre?

The Kiev regime bombed, and resource starved the people of Donbas for 8 years. They cut off aid, and medicinal supplies, on the basis that they were ethnically Russian.

 

[Kangal]

More appeals coming out now.


View: https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1736673093798556041?t=To5ng79HM4MfeyVLR9vSAw&s=19

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

View: https://twitter.com/Malcolm_fleX48/status/1736815020728594526

 

[Wolf]

I don't know lads, but I've never in my life seen wives and family members coming out and saying they didn't want their menfolk fighting in a war.
This really must be the very first time in history that's happened, right?
Oh yea, it was Jay In Kieeeevvveeee on Twatter too so it really really must be the first time..........

What kind of a fucking knob jockey would think to post such utter shite on this site?

Totally and utterly pathetic....but it needs to be called out for what it is.

 

[A Man Called Charolais]

The Kiev regime bombed, and resource starved the people of Donbas for 8 years. They cut off aid, and medicinal supplies, on the basis that they were ethnically Russian.

There have been exchanges of fire throughout and the Ukrainians have shelled civilian areas. The DPR regime was blamed by international observers with opening up first.

The DPR and the LPR have open border access to Russia. The Ukrainians cannot blockade this.

I know you probably won't accept this source but I recall seeing footage of the Donetsk elderly crossing the border to collect their pensions and bring back supplies although this was a number of years ago and before 2019.

'About 660,000 residents of the uncontrolled Donbas territories receive Ukrainian pensions, Ukrainian Social Policy Minister Marina Lazebnaya said in an interview with Radio Liberty.

...

"It all remains in force, it works. The main thing is that the checkpoints should not be closed," the minister added.

According to the UN as of March 2019, as a result of the conflict in the Donbas, 700,000 people in the region lost access to pensions.'

Kyiv: 600,000 LPR and DPR residents receive Ukrainian pensions - UA Wire


Vice News used to have superb coverage of the Donbas before it went stupid. I recall watching this prior to it going behind the paywall although this intro does give a sense of it - I think the coverage of pensioners crossing back and forth to Ukraine was in it.

​

Vice News had a series called Russian Roulette that really made their name - there's a guy called Ostrovsky that was one of the principal correspondents. They captured him in the DPR and put him through the wringer. He was never the same afterwards. Here's the first of the videos - there are scores of them, they invariably show both sides unvarnished.

​

First saw Ostrovsky getting drunk with the Vice founder on the trans-Siberian railway on their way to visit North Korean labour camps in better days.

​

It's quality content.

 

[Wolf]

Aha! The tag team is showing its colours.

A one man tag team.

 

[Fishalt]

More footage has emerged of AFU torturing captive Russian soldiers. This conscript is seen writhing in agony on the ground as pain relief medications are witheld from him. They mockingly demand he pronounce Palyanytsya the Ukrainian way, which is difficult to do for a Russian speaker. When he fails to do this they call him a bitch and let him go on writhing in pain.

These are the war crimes that Jerry claims aren't happening despite the evidence. He's not here to argue in good faith. He doesn't care that these things are happening to real people. It's just a game to him.


View: https://streamable.com/v1hcto

 

[Wolf]

More footage has emerged of AFU torturing captive Russian soldiers. This conscript is seen writhing in agony on the ground as pain relief medications are witheld from him. They mockingly demand he pronounce Palyanytsya the Ukrainian way, which is difficult to do for a Russian speaker. When he fails to do this they call him a bitch and let him go on writhing in pain.

These are the war crimes that Jerry claims aren't happening despite the evidence. He's not here to argue in good faith.


View: https://streamable.com/v1hcto

Of course these war crimes are happening, on both sides and we all know it.
The pervert lies through his omissions though, it's its cowardly way and the reason it has zero credibility and is despised by almost all on here.

 

[Fishalt]

Of course these war crimes are happening, on both sides and we all know it.
The pervert lies through his omissions though, it's its cowardly way and the reason it has zero credibility and is despised by almost all on here.

This is what the EU and America are funding.

Everyone who is anti-negotiation needs to understand this, and own it.
The reason Jerry ignores me is because he can't beat me in an argument. I present facts and evidence that he's no counter to.

 

[Declan]

That is a powerful video of the POW with his legs broken.

 

[Fishalt]

That is a powerful video of the POW with his legs broken.

It's frustrating because I still believe that when the dust settles, the peace treaty agreed upon by both parties will more or less involve Ukrainian capitulation to Russia in Southern Ukraine while the north gets its autonomy and security guarantees.

This entire horror show could have been avoided. Vlad was ready to come to the table but good ol' uncle sam quashed any possibility of that.

 

[jpc]

Very good analysis and historic context.

The End of Cabinet War

Putin and Moltke grapple with the limits

bigserge.substack.com

 

[bormotello]

Reuters —

President Aleksandar Vucic declared victory in a snap parliamentary election on Sunday, after pollsters projected his ruling Serbian Progressive Party (SNS) was on track to easily win.

Based on votes counted in a sample of polling stations, pollsters Ipsos and CeSID predicted the populist SNS won 46.2% of votes, while the opposition center-left Serbia Against Violence (SPN) alliance is set to come second with 23.2%.

“This is an absolute victory and it makes me happy,” Vucic said after projections were made.

Serbia’s ruling party set to win parliamentary election - CNN

So EU funded Serbia Against Violence lost elections again despite millions pumped into their election campaign
This is why they are protesting with English posters to make pictures for their sponsors

 

[Kangal]

Russian mobik wives signalling they have had enough.

Families of Mobilized Russian Soldiers Call On Putin to End War in Ukraine - The Moscow Times

A group of mobilized Russian soldiers’ families has demanded that President Vladimir Putin bring an end to the war in Ukraine.

www.themoscowtimes.com

"For weeks, members of Put’ Domoi (Way Home), a group of mostly wives and mothers of mobilized soldiers, have called for the return of their loved ones from extended service on the front lines.

But on Monday, they accused Putin of “driving people to the brink” and pressed for an end to what the Kremlin insists on calling a “special military operation.”

“We Russians have no hope left under your leadership… sit at the negotiating table,” the group said in a message addressed to the Russian leader."

 

[Professor]

Russian mobik wives signalling they have had enough.

Yeah but, there are other major considerations which require a deeper perspective to appreciate.

. . . "We must remember and never forget and tell our children: Russia will be either a sovereign, self-sufficient state, or it will not be there at all," Putin said during a congress of the ruling United Russia party.

Putin Vows to Make Russia 'Self-Sufficient' in Fifth Term

The vote will likely prolong his rule until at least 2030 and give him the possibility to stay in the Kremlin until 2036

www.voanews.com

When we look forward to protracted escalation, then we see that Russia is preparing to face up to the eventual costs of such sacrifices that will be required. They know what is expected and those wives will feel proud that their loved ones will not have died in vain . . .