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The Senate has passed a Bill with 60 billion for Ukraine and about 16 for Israel and about 16 for humanitarian stuff.

It now goes to The House. It will likely pass there as well.

But it will not change the outcome.

We are waiting for the Russians to finally clear the stronghold and see what happens then.
 

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The Senate has passed a Bill with 60 billion for Ukraine and about 16 for Israel and about 16 for humanitarian stuff.

It now goes to The House. It will likely pass there as well.

But it will not change the outcome.

We are waiting for the Russians to finally clear the stronghold and see what happens then.
Nothing substantial in it about closing the US border.
It won't pass.
 

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Nothing at all about the border, that for the moment is dropped.
 

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The Senate has passed a Bill with 60 billion for Ukraine and about 16 for Israel and about 16 for humanitarian stuff.

It now goes to The House. It will likely pass there as well.

But it will not change the outcome.

We are waiting for the Russians to finally clear the stronghold and see what happens then.
Isn't there some catch in it about tying a Trump presidency to coughing up the money until 2026, meaning that he cannot negotiate with the Russians as they will insist the US stop funding Ukraine, which he won't be able to promise.?
 

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It does not matter what Americans think and most dont think at all, we are talking about the half time show with Usher. It will be passed in no time
 

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In other news, Avdiivka has effectively fallen to Russia. Russian forces have now cut the city in half and control the 'road of life', meaning that at this point reinforcing the city is now effectively impossible and retreat is extremely difficult--doing so will incur huge losses on the AFU side.


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Even deepstate maps is calling on the Ukrainian brass to initiate a flash retreat to avoid another Bakhmut-tier "Fortress of Songs and Poems".

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Russia just hit a Ukrainian training camp at Selydov with an Iskander. It's estimated around 500 troops, including trainers, were obliterated. This likely represents the largest and most rapid destruction of forces with a single strike in Ukraine since the beginning of the SMO.



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UIAugZvZfA

if this is accurate, then ukraine must call it a day
 

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50000 mercs on $3000 say a day is 150 million a day, who knows how long 60 billion will last
 

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50000 mercs on $3000 say a day is 150 million a day, who knows how long 60 billion will last
Most of that cash will go on equipment/be embezzled/funneled into the brass's back pockets. Most of the mercs have already left. Your earning power doesn't help you if you're dead.
 

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They will just up the money, they will get their mercs, maybe not 50000 as the logistics would be difficult but they will get plenty.
 

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Russia just hit a Ukrainian training camp at Selydov with an Iskander. It's estimated around 500 troops, including trainers, were obliterated. This likely represents the largest and most rapid destruction of forces with a single strike in Ukraine since the beginning of the SMO.



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UIAugZvZfA

The war is now turning into the most humongous tragedy, and yet the Yank's rage for blood remains unsated.

When will we ever learn? We won't, not until there is no money to be made from such inhumane violence.
 
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Fortification doesn't always mean defense. Very often it means the opposite.
Protect weak directions to have fewer troops defending them and move the remaining troops for attack in other directions
But in this case, it is obvious that in 5 years' time, NATO is going to provoke Russia into war by setting a blockade against Kaliningrad

My view is that it sets a demarcation line. Thus far and no more.

The sort of equipment that is deployed to fortifications are different to those deployed in active defensive lines (which are very similar to offensive components). This would mean that they would not have the excuse for large war games in these areas that could be a pretext for an invasion. This should reassure Russia that NATO was not going to encroach any further and at least give a warning if such preparations were being made. The Belorussian carry on was the straw that broke the camel's back when it came to Russian trust in diplomatic processes and somehow that will have to be rebuilt.

From the Baltics' perspective, this permits a strategy more satisfactory than the trip-wire one where they would be sacrificed similar to Poland at the beginning of WWII. Fortifications are credible deterrents, as is evidenced by their use in Ukraine. It would also conserve their forces in the scenario of an invasion and allow for a reaction time for civilians. Better to do it well in advance of anything happening.

It is not unreasonable for the Baltics to be concerned (given their past) and this defensive line should shunt pressures between Russia and NATO to other theatres. There is a considerable on-going investment in these countries that is long term in nature and very impressive, we don't need it wrecked by an exchange of fire (as well as these works being a nice bit of work for the lads).

Let's not go into a long lecture on the history of Kaliningrad unless we want an argument to break out between Germany and Poland - aren't medium range nuclear missiles stationed there? The fact is that this line stabilises the region around St Petersburg - it makes things predictable and makes it difficult for hawks on either side to advocate extraordinary measures. The big strategic change is the entry of Finland and Sweden into NATO which is not a win for Russia.

It's best for all of us that this region is frozen into an armed peace than subject to the schemes of volatile contingency.
 

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My view is that it sets a demarcation line. Thus far and no more.

The sort of equipment that is deployed to fortifications are different to those deployed in active defensive lines (which are very similar to offensive components). This would mean that they would not have the excuse for large war games in these areas that could be a pretext for an invasion. This should reassure Russia that NATO was not going to encroach any further and at least give a warning if such preparations were being made. The Belorussian carry on was the straw that broke the camel's back when it came to Russian trust in diplomatic processes and somehow that will have to be rebuilt.

From the Baltics' perspective, this permits a strategy more satisfactory than the trip-wire one where they would be sacrificed similar to Poland at the beginning of WWII. Fortifications are credible deterrents, as is evidenced by their use in Ukraine. It would also conserve their forces in the scenario of an invasion and allow for a reaction time for civilians. Better to do it well in advance of anything happening.

It is not unreasonable for the Baltics to be concerned (given their past) and this defensive line should shunt pressures between Russia and NATO to other theatres. There is a considerable on-going investment in these countries that is long term in nature and very impressive, we don't need it wrecked by an exchange of fire (as well as these works being a nice bit of work for the lads).

Let's not go into a long lecture on the history of Kaliningrad unless we want an argument to break out between Germany and Poland - aren't medium range nuclear missiles stationed there? The fact is that this line stabilises the region around St Petersburg - it makes things predictable and makes it difficult for hawks on either side to advocate extraordinary measures. The big strategic change is the entry of Finland and Sweden into NATO which is not a win for Russia.

It's best for all of us that this region is frozen into an armed peace than subject to the schemes of volatile contingency.
They aren't fencing the Russians in.
They're cutting themselves off!
Energy and resources and so much more!
Stupidity,arrogance and hubris.
Realpolitik isn't a feature or European countries anymore.
 
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They aren't fencing the Russians in.
They're cutting themselves off!
Energy and resources and so much more!
Stupidity,arrogance and hubris.
Realpolitik isn't a feature or European countries anymore.

When things settle down trade can start up again. This is an important region and we don't need it incinerated.
 

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When things settle down trade can start up again. This is an important region and we don't need it incinerated.
A shame that very good observation has never been accepted as a necessity by the western world leaders.
And that it should be recognised as an equal.
Not as a region.
Makes it sound like something to be exploited.
 
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A shame that very good observation has never been accepted as a necessity by the western world leaders.
And that it should be recognised as an equal.
Not as a region.
Makes it sound like something to be exploited.

I meant the countries surrounding the Baltic sea, so region in that sense.
 

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The Tony Blair Institute for Global Change is pushing for RMNA cancer vaccines… what an evil notion? Not content at pushing population control via covid vaccines and causing turbo cancer they come again with more vaccines?

it just shows you.. the west, the globalists, the transhumanist WEF and their Jewish puppet masters….. etc etc

……
The world is on the cusp of a cancer-vaccine revolution that has been years in the making and that will transform cancer care. The number of mRNA cancer vaccines in development has more than doubled since 2017, with 21 in development globally in 2022.

The United Kingdom is at the forefront of trials in therapeutic cancer vaccines
……


 

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Thank God Mr Putin is the great hope of a multi-polar world against the evil machinations of Blair, the WEF and the Jewish ZIonist banker regime.

Those white Europeans dying in the Ukraine will not have died in vain if Putin and Russia create a new hope for humanity.

And one sign of the coming society of hope is Russian scientists have nearly developed RMNA vaccine for cancer.


View: https://t.me/MDeLaBrox/65901

View: https://t.me/MDeLaBrox/65901
 

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There shouldn’t be any question which side is on the side of the angels and which is most definitely not in what purports to be a war between Russia and Ukraine. One side is openly Christian and is fighting on their own land. The other side is led by an avowedly anti-Christian regime that is funded by Clown World and is literally persecuting priests and closing down churches.

 

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My view is that it sets a demarcation line. Thus far and no more.

The sort of equipment that is deployed to fortifications are different to those deployed in active defensive lines (which are very similar to offensive components). This would mean that they would not have the excuse for large war games in these areas that could be a pretext for an invasion. This should reassure Russia that NATO was not going to encroach any further and at least give a warning if such preparations were being made. The Belorussian carry on was the straw that broke the camel's back when it came to Russian trust in diplomatic processes and somehow that will have to be rebuilt.

From the Baltics' perspective, this permits a strategy more satisfactory than the trip-wire one where they would be sacrificed similar to Poland at the beginning of WWII. Fortifications are credible deterrents, as is evidenced by their use in Ukraine. It would also conserve their forces in the scenario of an invasion and allow for a reaction time for civilians. Better to do it well in advance of anything happening.

It is not unreasonable for the Baltics to be concerned (given their past) and this defensive line should shunt pressures between Russia and NATO to other theatres. There is a considerable on-going investment in these countries that is long term in nature and very impressive, we don't need it wrecked by an exchange of fire (as well as these works being a nice bit of work for the lads).

Let's not go into a long lecture on the history of Kaliningrad unless we want an argument to break out between Germany and Poland - aren't medium range nuclear missiles stationed there? The fact is that this line stabilises the region around St Petersburg - it makes things predictable and makes it difficult for hawks on either side to advocate extraordinary measures. The big strategic change is the entry of Finland and Sweden into NATO which is not a win for Russia.

It's best for all of us that this region is frozen into an armed peace than subject to the schemes of volatile contingency.
Just a few facts that this defense line is actually to make war inevitable
1) Estonia is not hiding plans to close Gulf of Finland and effectively setting a blockade of Kaliningrad similar to the siege of Leningrad during WW2. The main purpose of bunkers will be to deter Russia from attacking Estonia and forcing Russia to make land corridor
2) This is why the British are so sure about Russian "fake border conflict" in Suvalki gap as the only way to Kaliningrad
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3) Nuclear capable missile doesn't mean nuclear. This is why in the British plan we see that Russia will move nuclear warheads only October 2024
BTW, the nuclear weapons storage site in Kaliningrad is only 50km away from the Polish border, which means that Russia will have a chance to fire only 12 missiles(1 brigade) as the first strike. The launchers will be destroyed

As you see it is obvious to everybody that NATO is increasing the stakes in hope that Russia wont start WW3, which it cannot win
Globalist elites can easily sacrifice 10-20 millions people in Europe to achieve goal keeping Western domination
 

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