Weather Thread

Professor said:
Good!! It's way over due for a cracking scorcher change of a hot summer to look forward too.

The US and Spain just had changeable (more record breakers) showers over a couple of days which killed hundreds of their people, much death and full destruction of towns from rain drops, amazing how it works, eh? :geek:
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the radar photos of the med off malaga and valencia showing geometric energy shapes each hundreds of miles long prior to the flooding --did you come across this .
 
AUL LAD said:
the radar photos of the med off malaga and valencia showing geometric energy shapes each hundreds of miles long prior to the flooding --did you come across this .
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Not this time, but the cyclone/anticlone H pressure zones appeared very unusual also how weather seemed to arrive at the Med coastline from the W.Atlantic, Africa and E.Med at the same time.
When I was on the coast of Spain for 6 years there were downpours, very heavy rains, some of which were derived from what appeared to be Rain-Rivers of a questionable origin, but I did not observe anything like the weather systems which attacked Valencia & Malaga etc.

Are you familiar with Rain Rivers? Seems it's a fairly recent term which describes relatively recent weather which hadn't been considered before.

Amazing what 0.04% of Carbon can do, eh?:alien:

ETA:- The "Geometry"? Yes on other days there are grids and straight edges of curious dimensions.
 
Anderson said:
Well that was a blustery night, hearing it's done a lot of damage in places.
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Only just got d'interwebs back. Power's been gone for 20 hrs at this stage. And it's still blowing like crazy - last night the howling was like a wild beast out there.
We are used to it but the feel of this one was different - evil. But touch wood no one was injured so far. Small mercies.
 
So, It's a balmy 12C night on the NW coast and much of Ireland, forecast to hold through till morning+
In contrast, much of Spain is much lower now 2-8C with the highest being 12C the same!!🤪

P.S. No central heating put on yet at 20:00, Sure it's Grand 🤗
 
Professor said:
So, It's a balmy 12C night on the NW coast and much of Ireland, forecast to hold through till morning+
In contrast, much of Spain is much lower now 2-8C with the highest being 12C the same!!🤪

P.S. No central heating put on yet at 20:00, Sure it's Grand 🤗
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Weird winter. Shtorm last week. Fierce mild now. Snow chaos next week.
And our supply line via Holyhead done for the moment. I am on the edge of my seat realising how much I need to do to face the chaos.
 
willows68 said:
Weird winter. Shtorm last week. Fierce mild now. Snow chaos next week.
And our supply line via Holyhead done for the moment. I am on the edge of my seat realising how much I need to do to face the chaos.
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DO you drive for a living.
 
Sir, as per Val's videos, why does he call Lidl "Luy-dil"?

Do all Cavan folk call it that? 😧
 
Anyone ready to moan about this fierce mild weather? I'm personally only happy when it rains - as the song title goes, and the dogs continue to lie around whining softly...but joking aside - I cannot remember a spell persisting this long this early in the season. '76 and '95 were later. At this stage we could use some gentle rain. Don't want to make certain people too comfortable🤪
 
willows68 said:
Anyone ready to moan about this fierce mild weather? I'm personally only happy when it rains - as the song title goes, and the dogs continue to lie around whining softly...but joking aside - I cannot remember a spell persisting this long this early in the season. '76 and '95 were later. At this stage we could use some gentle rain. Don't want to make certain people too comfortable🤪
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Aye, we could do with a spot or two of the wet stuff. Most of the silage is taken now and the grass will need some moisture to grow again. Any fertiliser spread now will be wasted as the N evaporates in the heat rather than getting washed in. Same on the tillage front, barley is meant to be filling its ears and the wheat is not far behind, both need water to do so.
 
Mad as Fish said:
Aye, we could do with a spot or two of the wet stuff. Most of the silage is taken now and the grass will need some moisture to grow again. Any fertiliser spread now will be wasted as the N evaporates in the heat rather than getting washed in. Same on the tillage front, barley is meant to be filling its ears and the wheat is not far behind, both need water to do so.
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Cherries beginning to redden in my garden. I'll need to put up nets or the birds will get them all. May 15th. An absolute record
 
Professor said:
Amazing what 0.04% of Carbon can do, eh?:alien:
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The math is solid on this. And the re-radiation qualities of CO2 is known and measured.

So the Earth receives energy from the Sun and radiates heat back to space.

Incoming solar radiation (at the top of the atmosphere) ≈ 1,361 W/m² (solar constant).

After reflection and absorption (global average), we have 240 W/m² that re-radiated as infrared by Earth.

The natural greenhouse effect (mostly water vapor and CO₂) traps about 150 W/m² of the outgoing 240 W/m².

Since the industrial revolution, CO₂ has risen from ~280 ppm to ~420 ppm ≈ 2 W/m².

Across the entire surface of the Earth of ~510 million km² = 5.1 × 10¹⁴ m², thats 2 W/m² × 5.1 × 10¹⁴ m² = 1.02 × 10¹⁵ watts, or 1020 terawatts of extra heat energy trapped continuously.

How much energy is 1020 terrawatts? Its 510 million Hiroshima bombs per year or approx 16 bombs per second, every second of the year.

Its a tremendous amount of energy being trapped every year. The only real debate is how this extra cumulative energy will impact us.
 
Haven said:
The math is solid on this. And the re-radiation qualities of CO2 is known and measured.

So the Earth receives energy from the Sun and radiates heat back to space.

Incoming solar radiation (at the top of the atmosphere) ≈ 1,361 W/m² (solar constant).

After reflection and absorption (global average), we have 240 W/m² that re-radiated as infrared by Earth.

The natural greenhouse effect (mostly water vapor and CO₂) traps about 150 W/m² of the outgoing 240 W/m².

Since the industrial revolution, CO₂ has risen from ~280 ppm to ~420 ppm ≈ 2 W/m².

Across the entire surface of the Earth of ~510 million km² = 5.1 × 10¹⁴ m², thats 2 W/m² × 5.1 × 10¹⁴ m² = 1.02 × 10¹⁵ watts, or 1020 terawatts of extra heat energy trapped continuously.

How much energy is 1020 terrawatts? Its 510 million Hiroshima bombs per year or approx 16 bombs per second, every second of the year.

Its a tremendous amount of energy being trapped every year. The only real debate is how this extra cumulative energy will impact us.
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Shed loads of bollux from Tankman spinning the establishment narrative again.

Really, do you believe this simplistic crap?
 
Haven said:
What part do you have an issue with?
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All of that crap basically, its so yesterday and takes no account of the million and one other variables. It's the sort of tosh that made Gore declare that the ice caps would be gone by 2014, Such a mechanistic approach lies behind the now discredited hockey stick graph of Mann's.

You need to catch up sonny.
 
Mad as Fish said:
All of that crap basically, its so yesterday and takes no account of the million and one other variables. It's the sort of tosh that made Gore declare that the ice caps would be gone by 2014, Such a mechanistic approach lies behind the now discredited hockey stick graph of Mann's.

You need to catch up sonny.
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You cant avoid taking an initial mechanistic approach. It is simple physics: more heat is being added each year.

I did say that the only real debate is how this extra cumulative energy will impact us. Thats where your "million and one other variables" comes in.

The hockey stick graph analysis has been repeated many times by different reasearchers, with different techniques and data. Some problems were pointed out on the initial reconstuctions but these have been addressed over the years.
 
Mad as Fish said:
It's the sort of tosh that made Gore declare that the ice caps would be gone by 2014,
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Zooming in on one particular prediction is simple thinking.
Its the trend that matters. Polar sea ice is shrinking year on year.
 
Haven said:
Zooming in on one particular prediction is simple thinking.
Its the trend that matters. Polar sea ice is shrinking year on year.
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You climate changes tossers really are a trial to the sane of mind.

The polar ice caps melting and supposed rise in sea levels underpinned the US Endangerment act of 2009 which classified CO2 as a pollutant. It is not just one particular prediction but the main foundation upon which all this stupidity is based.

However -

a recent study led by Dr. Wang and Prof. Shen at Tongji University has found a surprising shift: between 2021 and 2023, the AIS (Antarctic Ice Sheet) experienced a record-breaking increase in overall mass.

Or is that just one of your wee 'regional variations' as you tools are fond of dismissing anything which lies contrary to the money making machine that is the Green industry nowadays?


 
Mad as Fish said:
You climate changes tossers really are a trial to the sane of mind.

The polar ice caps melting and supposed rise in sea levels underpinned the US Endangerment act of 2009 which classified CO2 as a pollutant. It is not just one particular prediction but the main foundation upon which all this stupidity is based.

However -

a recent study led by Dr. Wang and Prof. Shen at Tongji University has found a surprising shift: between 2021 and 2023, the AIS (Antarctic Ice Sheet) experienced a record-breaking increase in overall mass.

Or is that just one of your wee 'regional variations' as you tools are fond of dismissing anything which lies contrary to the money making machine that is the Green industry nowadays?


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www.nature.com

Strong impact of the rare three-year La Niña event on Antarctic surface climate changes in 2021–2023 - npj Climate and Atmospheric Science

From 2021 to 2023, satellite records reveal that February Antarctic sea ice extent reached record lows in 2022 and 2023. Simultaneously, the Antarctic ice sheet experienced a transient mass gain and rebounded temporarily from a decadal decline since 2002. The reasons behind these dramatic...
www.nature.com www.nature.com

The rebound is miniscule in terms of the long term decline, and is now over. See the graphs.
 
Haven said:
www.nature.com

Strong impact of the rare three-year La Niña event on Antarctic surface climate changes in 2021–2023 - npj Climate and Atmospheric Science

From 2021 to 2023, satellite records reveal that February Antarctic sea ice extent reached record lows in 2022 and 2023. Simultaneously, the Antarctic ice sheet experienced a transient mass gain and rebounded temporarily from a decadal decline since 2002. The reasons behind these dramatic...
www.nature.com www.nature.com

The rebound is miniscule in terms of the long term decline, and is now over. See the graphs.
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It's all bollux and cherry picking the data.

If the climate didn't change naturally we'd be living in a Mars like environment where nothing ever happens.

The majority of climate research is setting out to prove a theory, not questioning the working of nature. Proper science it is not.

The data set upon which much of it is based is corrupt to the core.
 
Mad as Fish said:
It's all bollux and cherry picking the data.

If the climate didn't change naturally we'd be living in a Mars like environment where nothing ever happens.

The majority of climate research is setting out to prove a theory, not questioning the working of nature. Proper science it is not.

The data set upon which much of it is based is corrupt to the core.
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Measuring the extent of winter sea ice is not some kind of fuzzy problem. I don't see why the Chinese would be "cherry-picking" the data.

If you have anything else other than ad hominem statements, lets see them.
 
Haven said:
Measuring the extent of winter sea ice is not some kind of fuzzy problem. I don't see why the Chinese would be "cherry-picking" the data.

If you have anything else other than ad hominem statements, lets see them.
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That's because you as thick as two short planks and have only half a notion of what you are on about.

And yes, miserable little feckers like you who rejoiced in pushing the toxic jab deserve the rope, let alone a little ad hominem.
 
Mad as Fish said:
That's because you as thick as two short planks and have only half a notion of what you are on about.

And yes, miserable little feckers like you who rejoiced in pushing the toxic jab deserve the rope, let alone a little ad hominem.
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Well, like I said, let me know when you have less waffle and something substantial to talk about.
 
Haven said:
Well, like I said, let me know when you have less waffle and something substantial to talk about.
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You appear to be both on opposite ends of the spectrum
 
AN2 said:
You appear to be both on opposite ends of the spectrum
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Indeed, but I have been following the story for years rather than suddenly rushing off to Google the subject on an internet tuned to present only the one narrative.
 
Mad as Fish said:
Indeed, but I have been following the story for years rather than suddenly rushing off to Google the subject on an internet tuned to present only the one narrative.
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I don't think that being the opposite end of the spectrum is good on this issue

So, "The climate's always been changing", "Ever heard of the Sun?" etc. type arguments aren't good
 
AN2 said:
I don't think that being the opposite end of the spectrum is good on this issue

So, "The climate's always been changing", "Ever heard of the Sun?" etc. type arguments aren't good
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But they are more robust than the makey uppey figures upon which this is all based.
 
AN2 said:
You appear to be both on opposite ends of the spectrum
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Its telling the one study he tried to champion doesn't even support him. He just googled it and posted it, without even bothering to check. Typical gish gallop stuff.
 
Haven said:
Its telling the one study he tried to champion doesn't even support him. He just googled it and posted it, without even bothering to check. Typical gish gallop stuff.
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As I pointed out before stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stop projecting.
 
Shortly after I heard the distinctive and faint buzz in my ear.. a mosquito just landed on me, those bastards are still here?

Thankfully, aware to the danger, and my super fast reaction ability, the bastard was terminated
 

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