What is the relationship of edgy mainstream Rightism (McGuirk, Tommeh, etc) to the Dissident Right and Nationalism?

[AN2]

The "pro-Israeli right" strikes again..


View: https://x.com/JoelWBerry/status/1859221344874881101

Auron says here I am an ethnonationalist for Israel, but not anyone else.

Auron is either a bad-faith snake, or he isn’t as smart as I thought he was. For the sake of brotherly kindness I’ll assume the latter. I’m not against a certain kind of nationalism that takes culture, beliefs, and character into account. America should be for Americans, and we should start defining exactly what that means because right now things are a mess.

What I’m against is white nationalism. I think skin color is a stupid thing to base “ethnos” on. And because I believe skin color is irrelevant, Auron will straw-man me and say that must mean I believe America is just an “economic zone” or “tax farm” or slander me as a multiculturalist.

Assuming he isn’t stupid, the reason he presents a false choice between racial “purity” and multiculturalism is because he believes culture is inextricably linked to race, or as many of his followers always tell me on here, “culture is downstream from race.” I disagree with that statement. I think it’s not only wrong scientifically, I think it is a godless error of materialism that denies the Imago Dei and reduces men to products of their DNA.

America as a creedal nation is a great idea I truly believe in. The problem is we haven’t taught, passed down, enforced, or required allegiance to the creed—and that needs to change.

As for Zionism, if Auron is so butt-hurt about Jews getting to build a nation as a refuge for Abraham’s physical descendants, he should tell his white nationalist and tradcath followers to stop persecuting and murdering them in every country outside Israel where they try to reside and assimilate. I also reject the premise that Israel is purely ethnonationalist. It’s a home for Jews, but it’s not exclusive to Jews. That said, I don’t blame them for being a bit cautious since everyone keeps trying to kill them.

And yes, I maintain that Christian bonds make us closer than any other bonds. That even goes for wokies like Phil Vischer and Auron, assuming they are real Christians.


Joel Berry is the editor of The Babylon Bee, a conservative Christian news satire website

Reply from "The Distributist"..


View: https://x.com/greeneman6/status/1859274629875106189

We can endlessly argue over the definition of “ethno-nationalism”. But what is clear for pretty much everyone looking at this problem is the following:

1. If a white-gentile country had the border/immigration/demographic policy that Israel does, it would be called “far right ethnonationalist” by modern conservatives.
2. Such a immigration/demographic policy would be considered historically normal in Christian countries before 1900
3. Any modern first world country that doesn’t have such a discriminating immigration policy will imminently be demographically overwhelmed by the third world and its culture replaced.

With these truths considered, what is the real debate about “ethno-nationalism” about? Is it just about “once in a blue moon” exceptions that should have no-bearing on policy and will have no bearing on overall demographics?


I've posted stuff before from both Auron MacIntyre and The Distributist who are Christian commentators

View: https://x.com/MillennialWoes/status/1859341906368479507


View: https://t.me/The_Course_of_Empire/28537

 

[AN2]

You never gave your opinion of John McGuirk

What is your opinion of Joel Berry?

Or have you realised that after you gave your opinion of Tommeh (many times) you were making it too obvious?

 

[AN2]

You'd like him, trust me..



View: https://x.com/JoelWBerry/status/1859285670050541945


View: https://x.com/JoelWBerry/status/1857779262570324454

(chortle)

View: https://x.com/MillennialWoes/status/1773023781763584320

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

R0ry if you agree with Tommy why do you want to import Muslims to Ireland?

 

[AN2]

R0ry if you agree with Tommy why do you want to import Muslims to Ireland?

You're asking the wrong question

 

[AN2]

So, better questions off the top of my head would be..

Do you agree with Tommy because he's a Zionist?

or

The only immigrant group that you've ever expressed hesitation about as participants in white genocide are Muslims, is that why you agree with Tommy?

Those would be better questions to ask a Jewish supremacist

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Will he answer?

 

[SwordOfStZip]

R0ry if you agree with Tommy why do you want to import Muslims to Ireland?

Do you want to continue posting here? Mod question.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Oh don't start

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Oh don't start

Okay I will leave it up to other mods.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Thanks Miss

 

[AN2]

Thanks Miss

Just stop referring to roc in that way

There's being eh, rebellious and being a twat

You are being a twat

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

So you're another one saying Ms Catherine is a cross-dressing man?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

I don't take information from maternal line Jews seriously Sir.

 

[AN2]

Well at least that's a bit more imaginative than saying anything a "Zionist" says can never be admitted. The common denominator of course being the protection of some dogma. In this case the dogma of "Miss Catherine" IRL* in fact being the wet dream of the typical unregenerate conservative lonely single male.

* IRL is a Jambo intersnot abbreviation. It means "In real life".

Eh, no, it really isn't

 

[AN2]

This guy is basically E. Michael Jones with antisemitism and philosemitism flipped


View: https://x.com/JoelWBerry/status/1859238487318220800

 

[céline]

Unfortunately I think Ireland is going to fall to these 'Conservative' Zionists. All of Europe probably will. The future is probably in countries like Russia, Mongolia, China, North Korea, Syria, Iran & so forth.

Russia is like an Eastern USA... while Europe fell under the influence of Tony Blair & his 'Leftist' parties which were actually in bed with Islam the USA remained Zionist & even started a 'war on terror' against Islam.

If it is true that Russia is like a Western USA that is reassuring. Perhaps some day the Russians will start a war with Zionist Jews.

 

[AN2]

View: https://t.me/theAureusPress/15340

 

[AN2]

View: https://t.me/theferrymanstoll/16902

 

[SwordOfStZip]

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Would Joel Berry consider Orthodox Jews to live by the values and culture of the West? Also would he consider Traditionalist as in anti-Vatican II Catholics and Auld Licht Presbyterians to live by such values and culture?

 

[AN2]

Would Joel Berry consider Orthodox Jews to live by the values and culture of the West? Also would he consider Traditionalist as in anti-Vatican II Catholics and Auld Licht Presbyterians to live by such values and culture?

Well I'd say that he's a 'Judeo-Christian' bro

You'd have to ask him about the finer details

 

[Tiger]

Well I'd say that he's a 'Judeo-Christian' bro

You'd have to ask him about the finer details

James, trust you to be someone to use the phoney phrase - "Judeo-Christian'.

It’s not a real thing.

The term “Judeo-Christian” is an intellectually bankrupt fabrication, born of American propaganda to forge a false alliance between two opposing religions.

“Judeo-Christian” is a euphemism for a lie and a subversion of Christian identity. It’s a product of American neo-liberalism, where truth is sacrificed to pluralism and power.

There is no “Judeo-Christian” combined tradition—only a Christian one, which stands alone and uncompromised.

Only people who don’t read books use stupid made-up phrases that they don’t understand. People with no sense of what a contradiction it is.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

It’s not a real thing.

How would you describe groups from Late Antiquity such as the Ebionites than?

 

[AN2]

James, trust you to be someone to use the phoney phrase - "Judeo-Christian'.

It’s not a real thing.

The term “Judeo-Christian” is an intellectually bankrupt fabrication, born of American propaganda to forge a false alliance between two opposing religions.

“Judeo-Christian” is a euphemism for a lie and a subversion of Christian identity. It’s a product of American neo-liberalism, where truth is sacrificed to pluralism and power.

There is no “Judeo-Christian” combined tradition—only a Christian one, which stands alone and uncompromised.

Only people who don’t read books use stupid made-up phrases that they don’t understand. People with no sense of what a contradiction it is.

Uh, I was attributing it to someone else (plus putting quotes around a term often indicates scepticism)

Maybe he isn't a "'Judeo-Christian' bro" but he's a Christian and a Zionist. And, like you, doesn't have a nationalist bone in his body

 

[Tiger]

How would you describe groups from Late Antiquity such as the Ebionites than?

The Ebionites are a perfect example of the absurdity that arises when one tries to merge incompatible religions. This heretical sect tried to fuse a corrupted version of Christianity with Judaism. They rejected the divinity of Christ and clung to obsolete Jewish laws, making them a grotesque hybrid that was neither fully Christian nor fully Jewish. The Ebionites never lasted because their theology was a house of cards—unmoored from both the truth of Christ’s divinity and the true continuity of the Old Covenant.

The very existence of the Ebionites demolishes any pretense of a "Judeo-Christian" tradition. Their futile attempt to reconcile the irreconcilable proves the impossibility of merging these two faiths. It’s an exercise in theological dissonance that only serves to highlight the incoherence of such a false synthesis. The truth is simple: Christianity stands alone, distinct and uncompromising in its claims about Christ, and to suggest otherwise is to fall into the same trap the Ebionites did—trying to make a unified whole out of two irreconcilable contradictions.

Of course, the Ebionites are clearly not the groups Orwell had in mind when he invoked the term "Judeo-Christian" in his writings, nor are they the people U.S. politicians were trying to unite in the 20th century under this misleading banner. Orwell wasn’t promoting a theological synthesis between two competing religions; he was using the term to build a superficial sense of moral solidarity during wartime, a far cry from any genuine spiritual unity. Similarly, the American political elite wasn’t trying to revive some heretical sect like the Ebionites, but rather to exploit the term to advance their own pluralist agenda, which conveniently ignores the deep contradictions between Judaism and Christianity. The so-called "Judeo-Christian" tradition, as it is peddled today, is nothing more than a hollow slogan that has no basis in historical truth or theological integrity. It's a farce, concocted by modern elites to perpetuate a false narrative and dilute the radical, exclusive truth of Christ’s claim as the one true Savior.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

The Ebionites are a perfect example of the absurdity that arises when one tries to merge incompatible religions. This heretical sect tried to fuse a corrupted version of Christianity with Judaism. They rejected the divinity of Christ and clung to obsolete Jewish laws, making them a grotesque hybrid that was neither fully Christian nor fully Jewish. The Ebionites never lasted because their theology was a house of cards—unmoored from both the truth of Christ’s divinity and the true continuity of the Old Covenant.

The very existence of the Ebionites demolishes any pretense of a "Judeo-Christian" tradition. Their futile attempt to reconcile the irreconcilable proves the impossibility of merging these two faiths. It’s an exercise in theological dissonance that only serves to highlight the incoherence of such a false synthesis. The truth is simple: Christianity stands alone, distinct and uncompromising in its claims about Christ, and to suggest otherwise is to fall into the same trap the Ebionites did—trying to make a unified whole out of two irreconcilable contradictions.

Very many of the Ebionites' themes were taken up by Islam and so have shown themselves to have a strong lasting power as well as a wide spread.

 

[Tiger]

Very many of the Ebionites' themes were taken up by Islam and so have shown themselves to have a strong lasting power as well as a wide spread.

Firstly, let’s be clear: when people bandy about the term “Judeo-Christian,” no one on earth is bloody referring to a tiny, heretical sect from late antiquity called the Ebionites ya lunatic. People are using it to legitimize a completely fabricated, politically convenient myth.

Secondly, the fact that Ebionite themes were picked up by Islam only highlights the danger of heretical ideas, not their validity. Like the Ebionites, Islam denies Christ's divinity, making it a false religion that rejects the core truth of Christianity. What you're describing is a Russian doll of heresy. The spread of these errors is not proof of their legitimacy—falsehoods often endure because they flatter human pride and reject the need for salvation through Christ alone. Islam’s embrace of Ebionite-like views only proves that heresy can gain traction, but it does nothing to change the fact that these beliefs are fundamentally opposed to the truth. Falsehood has no claim to divine authority, no matter how widespread it becomes.

 

[AUL LAD]

You can find out about things going on in the country in Gript which you would not if you just relied on "The Irish Times", etc.

The article in the OP raises several issues- "Conservatism" in so far as it is about maintaining High Western culture, decent standards of behavior and family values I support, however how far is it about those things especially those things in and of themselves rather than as means to other ends both these days and in the past? I don't think that Clanrickard and Kevin Parlon really care about those things at all.

i currently pay 10 a month to gript and i really regret it as john mc gurk is a zionist as are others in gript -- decent standards of behavior are therefore absent .

 

[AUL LAD]

Firstly, let’s be clear: when people bandy about the term “Judeo-Christian,” no one on earth is bloody referring to a tiny, heretical sect from late antiquity called the Ebionites ya lunatic. People are using it to legitimize a completely fabricated, politically convenient myth.

Secondly, the fact that Ebionite themes were picked up by Islam only highlights the danger of heretical ideas, not their validity. Like the Ebionites, Islam denies Christ's divinity, making it a false religion that rejects the core truth of Christianity. What you're describing is a Russian doll of heresy. The spread of these errors is not proof of their legitimacy—falsehoods often endure because they flatter human pride and reject the need for salvation through Christ alone. Islam’s embrace of Ebionite-like views only proves that heresy can gain traction, but it does nothing to change the fact that these beliefs are fundamentally opposed to the truth. Falsehood has no claim to divine authority, no matter how widespread it becomes.

you are entirely correct about judeo-christian and it is not known by journalists or more likely probably NOT MADE KNOWN would be more accurate that the judeo side wish the christ to be boiled in excrement for eternity -- how you explain there is a judeo -chtristian view possible after this fact is known is beyond me but people still use the term .

 

[AUL LAD]

So, better questions off the top of my head would be..

Do you agree with Tommy because he's a Zionist?

or

The only immigrant group that you've ever expressed hesitation about as participants in white genocide are Muslims, is that why you agree with Tommy?

Those would be better questions to ask a Jewish supremacist

his backers are Israelis and members of the IDF and militant Israeli support organizations .
his secretary and deputy are members of Israeli NGO s.

 

[Tiger]

Uh, I was attributing it to someone else (plus putting quotes around a term often indicates scepticism)

Maybe he isn't a "'Judeo-Christian' bro" but he's a Christian and a Zionist. And, like you, doesn't have a nationalist bone in his body

I see you’re doubling down on your knack for assigning contradictory labels to people, as if words and meanings don’t matter.

Saying that someone is both a Christian and a Zionist is not just contradictory- it’s idiotic. You’re either one or the other or you’re neither of any of them.

Being a Christian AND a Zionist is not just absurd—it’s a flat-out lie. Zionism is a secular, worldly political agenda, while Christianity rejects the very notion of power in this world. The two have absolutely nothing in common, and anyone trying to make them fit together is either willfully ignorant or playing a dangerous game. To call someone a Christian and a Zionist is a pathetic attempt to serve two masters, and it’s a contradiction that deserves no respect.

 

[Declan]

Millions of Christians here are flat out zionists and protecting israel is a given to these lugs

 

[AUL LAD]

Millions of Christians here are flat out zionists and protecting israel is a given to these lugs

they are flat out morons --
the rothschilds paid for the infamous scofield bible as they controlled the prestigious oxford university press and they had inserted GOD WILL BLESS THOSE WHO BLESS ISRAEL into the bible .
cyrus schofield is dead over 80 years but he rises from the grave repeatedly to re edit and add copious notes to sections of the bible on a constant basis and these wealthy morons are unable to get an original bible and compare and figure out the scam themselves .
their pastors give billions to Israel and not one of them morons inquires why their christian church has never given to a Palestinian christian church in the holy land or any christian church in the middle east -- all the money goes to their deadly enemy/parasites the Israeli Zionists.

 

[Tiger]

Millions of Christians here are flat out zionists and protecting israel is a given to these lugs

The social engineers who invented the contradictory term "Judeo-Christian" have been wildly successful in hoodwinking the public. They’ve crafted a deceptive narrative to blur the lines between two diametrically opposed religions, all for the sake of political control.

By promoting this manufactured alliance, they’ve tricked millions of people into believing that supporting Zionism is somehow compatible with Christianity. It’s a calculated move to create confusion and to strip away any clear understanding of what true Christian faith entails.

The result is a society that willingly embraces a lie, happily serving a false ideology under the guise of religious unity, all while sacrificing the very essence of the Gospel in the process.

 

[AN2]

The Ebionites are a perfect example of the absurdity that arises when one tries to merge incompatible religions. This heretical sect tried to fuse a corrupted version of Christianity with Judaism. They rejected the divinity of Christ and clung to obsolete Jewish laws, making them a grotesque hybrid that was neither fully Christian nor fully Jewish. The Ebionites never lasted because their theology was a house of cards—unmoored from both the truth of Christ’s divinity and the true continuity of the Old Covenant.

The very existence of the Ebionites demolishes any pretense of a "Judeo-Christian" tradition. Their futile attempt to reconcile the irreconcilable proves the impossibility of merging these two faiths. It’s an exercise in theological dissonance that only serves to highlight the incoherence of such a false synthesis. The truth is simple: Christianity stands alone, distinct and uncompromising in its claims about Christ, and to suggest otherwise is to fall into the same trap the Ebionites did—trying to make a unified whole out of two irreconcilable contradictions.

Of course, the Ebionites are clearly not the groups Orwell had in mind when he invoked the term "Judeo-Christian" in his writings, nor are they the people U.S. politicians were trying to unite in the 20th century under this misleading banner. Orwell wasn’t promoting a theological synthesis between two competing religions; he was using the term to build a superficial sense of moral solidarity during wartime, a far cry from any genuine spiritual unity. Similarly, the American political elite wasn’t trying to revive some heretical sect like the Ebionites, but rather to exploit the term to advance their own pluralist agenda, which conveniently ignores the deep contradictions between Judaism and Christianity. The so-called "Judeo-Christian" tradition, as it is peddled today, is nothing more than a hollow slogan that has no basis in historical truth or theological integrity. It's a farce, concocted by modern elites to perpetuate a false narrative and dilute the radical, exclusive truth of Christ’s claim as the one true Savior.

There are no false or true religions, you effing dope

You are an atheist regarding all religions except for your own

 

[AN2]

I see you’re doubling down on your knack for assigning contradictory labels to people, as if words and meanings don’t matter.

Saying that someone is both a Christian and a Zionist is not just contradictory- it’s idiotic. You’re either one or the other or you’re neither of any of them.

Being a Christian AND a Zionist is not just absurd—it’s a flat-out lie. Zionism is a secular, worldly political agenda, while Christianity rejects the very notion of power in this world. The two have absolutely nothing in common, and anyone trying to make them fit together is either willfully ignorant or playing a dangerous game. To call someone a Christian and a Zionist is a pathetic attempt to serve two masters, and it’s a contradiction that deserves no respect.

You're a total spa

 

[Tiger]

There are no false or true religions, you effing dope

You are an atheist regarding all religions except for your own

Dumbo James. Always jumping into discussions underpants first.

You’ve completely missed the point, and it’s clear you’re not equipped to follow this conversation. We’re not discussing the legitimacy of any particular religion, but the simple fact that words mean something, and different faiths are inherently incompatible. Your blurted-out nonsense about "no true or false religions" is a hallmark of someone who’s incapable of understanding basic logical distinctions.

It’s a sign of intellectual laziness, or worse, a refusal to engage with reality. If you can’t grasp the fundamental concept that contradictory beliefs cannot all be true, then you’re simply unqualified to participate in any meaningful discussion on the matter. This isn’t about personal opinions—it’s about objective truth and the logical necessity that some religions must be false, by definition.

 

[Tiger]

You're a total spa

James, if this forum had a league table based on intelligence, then you’d be struggling all season in the relegation zone.

You contribute absolutely nothing of any substance to any thread.

 

[AN2]

James, if this forum had a league table based on intelligence, then you’d be struggling all season in the relegation zone.

You contribute absolutely nothing of any substance to any thread.

Nothing that you can appreciate, I would accept.

You're a very serious, angry little boy and I have to say, as I've always said, I don't consider that 'arrogance' is a pejorative per se. But it does not suit a stupid person

 

[Tiger]

Nothing that you can appreciate, I would accept.

You're a very serious, angry little boy and I have to say, as I've always said, I don't consider that 'arrogance' is a pejorative per se. But it does not suit a stupid person

Once again, nada