Weather Thread

[Myles O'Reilly]

The last 4 years in a row have been freaky ,100 yr records all over Europe are regularly reached - like never before in our lifetimes.

Over one hundred, with Hundreds missing!!

I suppose, like Plunkett, you'll put that down to mispleasing the Deity in the sky right Love?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

In your lifetime....How old are you?

Buddy is no spring chicken it is true. Spent most of his life running around Spain in his clapped out Escort van.

He finally returned to Sligo when the Senoritas were no longer interested in his wrinkly ass.

Now spends most of his days looking out the window of his Bungalow in Tubbercurry hoping the grey skies will dissipate so his gooseberry bushes will bear a bit of fruit.

 

[Professor]

I suppose, like Plunkett, you'll put that down to mispleasing the Deity in the sky right Love?

Your supposition is based on . . .

 

[Professor]

Buddy is no spring chicken it is true. Spent most of his life running around Spain in his clapped out Escort van.

He finally returned to Sligo when the Senoritas were no longer interested in his wrinkly ass.

Now spends most of his days looking out the window of his Bungalow in Tubbercurry hoping the grey skies will dissipate so his gooseberry bushes will bear a bit of fruit.

Yeah but, yields and quality across some EU's are way down in comparison to what they were before the changes, how can you / do you explain that?

 

[Professor]

He cannot explain, just doesn't care enough about the issues, prefers fictional voyeurism instead?

 

[Mad as Fish]

Yeah but, yields and quality across some EU's are way down in comparison to what they were before the changes, how can you / do you explain that?

Because they go up and down naturally, these variations have been masked somewhat by the increasing effectiveness of crop husbandry over the years, but they are still there.

 

[Coal Gas and peat]

He cannot explain, just doesn't care enough about the issues, prefers fictional voyeurism instead?

Did you ever own an escort van? I had a transit in 09

 

[Mad as Fish]

He cannot explain, just doesn't care enough about the issues, prefers fictional voyeurism instead?

Might one ask to whom you refer?

 

[Professor]

Might one ask to whom you refer?

Sure, who do you think?

 

[Professor]

Did you ever own an escort van? I had a transit in 09

No, it's just more Mitty'ish determinations to spice up a dark, dim, damp and dreadful drizzley morning.
How was the Transit? I had a Transporter then. - Awful vibration, noise and weak designed (on purpose) components.

 

[Coal Gas and peat]

No, it's just more Mitty'ish determinations to spice up a dark, dim, damp and dreadful drizzley morning.
How was the Transit? I had a Transporter then. - Awful vibration, noise and weak designed (on purpose) components.

That transit did very well for me , it was a 99 smiley face 2.5 , great power up hills and you could leave it in 5th .......I believe they are nowhere near as good these days

 

[Professor]

Because they go up and down naturally, these variations have been masked somewhat by the increasing effectiveness of crop husbandry over the years, but they are still there.

Yeah but there's more down than up in these recent years.
"Naturally"? Yes, there's still some of that going around but we mustn't lose sight of the fact that there's much more 'Unnaturally' in use these days too.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Might one ask to whom you refer?

Well it's certainly not me.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

He cannot explain, just doesn't care enough about the issues, prefers fictional voyeurism instead?

There's nowt fictional about Trannyism Love.

Everywhere I turn I see it. Its driving me to the nut house.

 

[Professor]

There's nowt fictional about Trannyism Love.

Everywhere I turn I see it. Its driving me to the nut house.

So, you have some sort of fascination /interest/curiosity of what exactly?
Your attention/focus is under your control, you choose to spend much attention on the subject/subjects.
Where do you find the time?
Maybe you should spend much more time thinking about pleasant attractive decent caring women and their ways and then you'd have little or no time to consider other stuff. ??

 

[Professor]

Boortmalt has confirmed that approximately 10% of the Irish malting barley acreage has now been cut, with the equivalent figure for the UK being 60%.

To date, average yields have been in the region of 3t/ac, with grain quality confirmed to be good.

The poor weather of the past few days has brought most combining operations to a halt. However, this should not damage the yield potential of April sown crops, as they will not reach full maturity for another week at least. . . .
. . . . Last year, malting barley rejection rates exceeded 50%

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/tillage-malting-barley-harvest-now-underway/

Maybe next year we'll see a real natural summer


The contractors said that lower fertiliser use due to confusion among farmers about their allowances, coupled with a lack of rainfall and poor soil temperatures, have all contributed to lower second-cut silage yields in 2024.

This was due to a combination of reasons including reduced silage areas and yields, less opportunity for surplus grazing covers to be cut as silage, and a late spring depleting any carry over of stocks in yards.

Exclusive: FCI survey warns of fodder shortage on many farms - Agriland.ie

71% of agricultural contractors believe that there will be shortage of fodder on many Irish farms this winter, according to a new survey.

www.agriland.ie

ETA:- 2nd article

 

[Anderson]

Yep, it's been a shit summer in Ireland. I plan to spend more time abroad for this reason alone, I will be purchasing a home abroad very soon, and spend my summers there.

This lad packed up and moved to Hungary


View: https://t.me/OffgridiIreland/58027

 

[Professor]

Let's just say, things are not looking good.


The Swinford Agricultural Show Society has announced that the 2024 staging of the show has been cancelled due to unfavourable weather.
The society made the announcement “with great regret”, and said that the decision to cancel this year’s Swinford Agricultural Show in Co. Mayo was “very difficult”.

The event was meant to take place this Sunday (August 25).

Swinford Agricultural Show cancelled due to weather

The Swinford Agricultural Show Society has announced that the 2024 staging of the show has been cancelled due to unfavourable weather.

www.agriland.ie

And before . . .

Last month, following the postponement of the 2024 Gorey Agricultural Show the previous month, organisers announced that the show will not go ahead this year as no suitable alternative date was found.

The show’s committee had announced in June that the event would be postponed due to difficult ground conditions.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Boortmalt has confirmed that approximately 10% of the Irish malting barley acreage has now been cut, with the equivalent figure for the UK being 60%.

To date, average yields have been in the region of 3t/ac, with grain quality confirmed to be good.

The poor weather of the past few days has brought most combining operations to a halt. However, this should not damage the yield potential of April sown crops, as they will not reach full maturity for another week at least. . . .
. . . . Last year, malting barley rejection rates exceeded 50%

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/tillage-malting-barley-harvest-now-underway/

Maybe next year we'll see a real natural summer


The contractors said that lower fertiliser use due to confusion among farmers about their allowances, coupled with a lack of rainfall and poor soil temperatures, have all contributed to lower second-cut silage yields in 2024.

This was due to a combination of reasons including reduced silage areas and yields, less opportunity for surplus grazing covers to be cut as silage, and a late spring depleting any carry over of stocks in yards.

Exclusive: FCI survey warns of fodder shortage on many farms - Agriland.ie

71% of agricultural contractors believe that there will be shortage of fodder on many Irish farms this winter, according to a new survey.

www.agriland.ie

ETA:- 2nd article

Shit happens, that’s farming

 

[Professor]

Shit happens, that’s farming

Yeah but on this thread the shit happening to farming is too frequent because bigger shit happens to the weather.
Sure even the climate engineers have warned us here in Europe that their N.American operations are likely to have a noticeable effect upon our weather. Their quotes are in an article linked back 6-12 pages ago.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Yeah but on this thread the shit happening to farming is too frequent because bigger shit happens to the weather.
Sure even the climate engineers have warned us here in Europe that their N.American operations are likely to have a noticeable effect upon our weather. Their quotes are in an article linked back 6-12 pages ago.

Fine, you run round scaring the shit out of yourself while 99% of farmers, and me, will just carry on regardless. It's all been seen before.

 

[Professor]

Fine, you run round scaring the shit out of yourself.

Again, it's the weather which is scary, I'm not doing it, honestly

while 99% of farmers, and me, will just carry on regardless.

All the same, you'll all get what your given. - Plenty of bad weather

It's all been seen before.

Yes, but rarely - Not as regularly extreme as recent records and events show.

Have you any old records from the last 200 years to share with us?

 

[Mad as Fish]

Again, it's the weather which is scary, I'm not doing it, honestly


All the same, you'll all get what your given. - Plenty of bad weather


Yes, but rarely - Not as regularly extreme as recent records and events show.

Have you any old records from the last 200 years to share with us?

The cold snaps that allowed oxen to be roasted on the Thames could be considered extreme weather events, what were the temperatures during those winters?

 

[Professor]

The cold snaps that allowed oxen to be roasted on the Thames could be considered extreme weather events

Was that regular in that period or a one off?
They (climatologists) say that massive historic volcanic eruptions used to affect the seasons for a couple of years after, the dimming/cooling was observable.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Was that regular in that period or a one off?
They (climatologists) say that massive historic volcanic eruptions used to affect the seasons for a couple of years after, the dimming/cooling was observable.

The medieval period was a lot cooler than now, and it followed the warmer Roman period during which wine was produced in the English Midlands. No mention of significant changes in sea level, London continued to operate as a port throughout.

 

[Professor]

The medieval period was a lot cooler than now, and it followed the warmer Roman period during which wine was produced in the English Midlands. No mention of significant changes in sea level, London continued to operate as a port throughout.

But from the 1600's onward Ireland was warmer than it is in the last 20 years.

Here, look . . .

. . .The removal of this prohibition in the latter part of the eighteenth century led to an upsurge in tenant farmers cultivating the crop, and we know that by 1831 the tobacco plant was being extensively grown in County Wexford in particular. This was most likely due to the favourable conditions that prevailed there climatically and agriculturally. Knowledge of such conditions comes to us from An essay on the climate of Ireland (1831), which, interestingly, also notes that:

‘About 1632, artichokes, colly flowers, pompions and hops seem to have been first introduced and grow very well […] if they had been introduced at an earlier period, there is little doubt but that they would have succeeded as well. The same reasoning holds good for the tobacco, cultivated at present to such an extent in the county of Wexford.’

Death and taxes: tobacco-growing in Ireland – History Ireland

www.historyireland.com

You couldn't grow the above stuff today, as can hardly grow the silage or potatoes as what used to be at the mo' ffs

 

[Professor]

Can hardly grow Straw in these bad aul days . . .


The Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (DAFM) has confirmed to Agriland that just over 14,800t of straw was imported into Ireland from the UK in the first seven months of this year.

The data shows that between January and the end of July there were 841 consignments of straw brought into the country from the UK.

Earlier this year, the National Fodder and Food Security Committee heard that straw was in short supply in many areas due to challenging weather conditions impacting yields.

In the previous year, there were just seven consignments of straw imported from the UK totalling 38t.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/over-14800t-of-straw-imported-from-uk-to-the-end-of-july/

Obviously the farmers were Shitting it (some bullshitting it too) until foreigners came to the rescue.

 

[Coal Gas and peat]

We can't even grow straw

 

[Mad as Fish]

We can't even grow straw

The tillage sector has been contracting for years now in Ireland so there is less being grown, and the government is also encouraging farmers to plough it in -

www.ifa.ie/schemes-overview/straw-incorporation-measure/

 

[Mad as Fish]

Was that regular in that period or a one off?
They (climatologists) say that massive historic volcanic eruptions used to affect the seasons for a couple of years after, the dimming/cooling was observable.

Going from memory it happened several times over a period of 100 years or so, but I’d need to look it up to be sure.

 

[Professor]

The tillage sector has been contracting for years now in Ireland so there is less being grown, and the government is also encouraging farmers to plough it in -

www.ifa.ie/schemes-overview/straw-incorporation-measure/

No surprises to the points you raise. Certainly raises a few questions too, the answers are not so mysterious . . .

So, in a nut shell (naturally) the picture above helps us to identify the factors which cause the failing.

1. Too much rain.
2. Not enough Sunshine.
3. Constant High Humidity.

The constant humidity is rarely mentioned but it has a terrible effect upon Ireland's crops.

Now that the Glyphosate used as a desiccator has been banned/restricted, there's no chance of making straw as it would not be cured, consequently prone to degradation, rot and further fungal infections while in storage.

 

[Mad as Fish]

No surprises to the points you raise. Certainly raises a few questions too, the answers are not so mysterious . . .

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So, in a nut shell (naturally) the picture above helps us to identify the factors which cause the failing.

1. Too much rain.
2. Not enough Sunshine.
3. Constant High Humidity.

The constant humidity is rarely mentioned but it has a terrible effect upon Ireland's crops.

Now that the Glyphosate used as a desiccator has been banned/restricted, there's no chance of making straw as it would not be cured, consequently prone to degradation, rot and further fungal infections while in storage.

Glyphosphate has not been banned.

There have been a couple of wet summers. So what!

 

[Professor]

Glyphosphate has not been banned.

Government keeps changing it's mind on the subject, still and all the very fact that agriculture insists on using it as a desiccant is a sign of how desperate the farmers are to dry out their crops because the climate is unable to do it (see above post)

There have been a couple of wet summers. So what!

There's been many fecked Irish summers in the last 10 years.
"So what!" You exclaim?
So the Irish climate has changed for the worse and is having an observable negative effect is 'What' and it'll be the same this coming spring and summer '25 - Terrible!!

The question to ask is why?

 

[Mad as Fish]

Government keeps changing it's mind on the subject, still and all the very fact that agriculture insists on using it as a desiccant is a sign of how desperate the farmers are to dry out their crops because the climate is unable to do it (see above post)


There's been many fecked Irish summers in the last 10 years.
"So what!" You exclaim?
So the Irish climate has changed for the worse and is having an observable negative effect is 'What' and it'll be the same this coming spring and summer '25 - Terrible!!

The question to ask is why?

I’ve spoken to plenty of old boys who remember hay rotting in the fields until September and fields of wheat being ploughed in as it was never harvested. Now, how are backing up this claim about ten lousy summers, why are you so determined to make the case for some dreadful goings on by naughty governments? Of course all governments are corrupt but that doesn’t mean to say they are all making feeble attempts at changing the climate.

 

[jpc]

I’ve spoken to plenty of old boys who remember hay rotting in the fields until September and fields of wheat being ploughed in as it was never harvested. Now, how are backing up this claim about ten lousy summers, why are you so determined to make the case for some dreadful goings on by naughty governments? Of course all governments are corrupt but that doesn’t mean to say they are all making feeble attempts at changing the climate.

There was a very marked climate shift in the bronze age that led to animal husbandry being the major mode of food sources in Ireland.
Went on for hundreds of years.
I'll look it up when I'm home.

 

[Mad as Fish]

There was a very marked climate shift in the bronze age that led to animal husbandry being the major mode of food sources in Ireland.
Went on for hundreds of years.
I'll look it up when I'm home.

What puzzles me is this weird belief that the weather should remain within a narrow band of variables and should it step out of it then we have an “extreme weather event”. Well, just what are those boundaries and how often do they need to be breached before it is considered the norm and no longer extreme?

 

[jpc]

What puzzles me is this weird belief that the weather should remain within a narrow band of variables and should it step out of it then we have an “extreme weather event”. Well, just what are those boundaries and how often do they need to be breached before it is considered the norm and no longer extreme?

It's been postulated that humanity hit a jackpot over the last 12000 years wrt stable climate post the icesheet retreats
And as you say these stable periods can very easily change.
Putting billions of tonnes of sequester carbon into the atmosphere is another day's discussion.
Is it bad?
Or isn't it?
Removing enormous amounts of tree cover
Not good either!

 

[Professor]

I’ve spoken to plenty of old boys who remember hay rotting in the fields until September and fields of wheat being ploughed in as it was never harvested.

Sure, except nowadays it's become too regular, most every year - All through the year. Hence the reports.

Now, how are backing up this claim about ten lousy summers, why are you so determined to make the case for some dreadful goings on by naughty governments?

This thread and a bit of the climate change thread is filled with back-up reports, ignore them if you want to.
The case of Tennessee actually banning climate changing geoengineering operations from it's skies should speak volumes - But you don't get it? Perhaps adjust your horsey blinkers or quit being so ignorant on issues so obvious.

Naughty Governments - Yep, which ones? The Indians are very concerned by China at the moment, you know??

Of course all governments are corrupt but that doesn’t mean to say they are all making feeble attempts at changing the climate.

As documented, the "attempts" are far from feeble and have been proving Changed Climate results for decades. Geoengineering works, that's why it's used

 

[Jay Homer Simpson]

This summers weather was just as bad as Summer 2008

 

[Mad as Fish]

Sure, except nowadays it's become too regular, most every year - All through the year. Hence the reports.


This thread and a bit of the climate change thread is filled with back-up reports, ignore them if you want to.
The case of Tennessee actually banning climate changing geoengineering operations from it's skies should speak volumes - But you don't get it? Perhaps adjust your horsey blinkers or quit being so ignorant on issues so obvious.

Naughty Governments - Yep, which ones? The Indians are very concerned by China at the moment, you know??


As documented, the "attempts" are far from feeble and have been proving Changed Climate results for decades. Geoengineering works, that's why it's used

Those living off government research budgets will always say that their little scheme works.