Two new civil wars within the Catholic Church

[scolairebocht]

Quite suddenly, in these last few weeks before Christmas 2023, two semi civil wars have broken out in the general Catholic space worldwide.

Firstly Pope Francis' Vatican has issued a document, Fiducia Supplicans, opening the door (how wide depends who you are talking to) to allow priests to give a religious blessing to same sex couples. Even though its couched in caveats nonetheless any such opening to homosexuality, which in the 2,000 year Magisterium of the Catholic Church has always been viewed as disordered and very sinful, has shocked many. So while Fr James Martin, a gay friendly friend of Pope Francis', and the German Bishops, have welcomed it enthusiastically, the Catholic authorities in Kazakhstan, Zambia, Malawi, Namibia, Ukraine and 500 priests in the UK, have completely rejected it.

For major parts of the Catholic world to completely reject a Vatican document so quickly like this, has, as far as I know, never happened before in the recent history of the Catholic Church. Hence to call it a sudden civil war is not as exaggerated as it might seem.

But the second civil war is even more surprising and, in the long run, I think far more significant. Especially in the United States, but to an extent all over the world, in the last few months a belief in the existence of Extra Terrestrial Aliens has threatened to go, and possibly is now, mainstream. Driven by Congressional testimony and given credence by national media, more and more people are now coming out as believing in the existence of these aliens.

So while this development has by December 2023 not impacted any national or international Catholic authorities, as of yet as far as this writer knows, nonetheless it is a civil war which has exploded in the general area of Catholic media.

Many of the respected Catholic youtube channels have now aired an unashamed belief in UFOs and, incredibly, some have gone from there to openly question the tenets of the Christian faith. You can see this in places like the Divine Will Era channel's interview with Fr Joseph Leo Iannuzzi: (1), the Catholic Gentleman's interview with Dr Paul Thigpen: (2), an interview by Pints With Aquinas with the same author: (3), and especially Dr Diana Pasulka's interview on the Jesse Michels channel: (4).

The only responder in this nascent civil war, that I know of at any rate, is Daniel O'Connor in his show here: (5).

All of this must seem like small beer to many of you out there, but I would beg to differ. Quite a few students of the Occult/Globalist milieu have been warning us about their involvement with the alien hoax over many years, for example William Cooper and Serge Monast. Also Fritz Springmeier, probably the most famous and respected researcher into the Occult, said this when interviewed on the Canadian radio station CKLN-FM in 1997:

"Quite a number of victims of mind control have spoken about end-times programming. What can you tell us about that?

The end-times programming refers to programming geared to bringing in New World Order and the reign of the anti-christ.
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Another aspect that is characteristic to the end-times programming is the involvement of the aliens. A lot of alien programming, plans with aliens, and a whole series of programming categories related to catastrophes.
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What in a general sense would they be programmed to do?

We are not talking about just running drugs or prostitution — we are talking about control of society as a whole. One of the scarier options they have is to bring in a mock alien invasion. They will have flying saucers with aliens arrive. Because they control so many different aspects of society, even though a number of people like myself would say "beware of this, beware of that" we would be drowned out by this orchestra of people in different sectors of society (congressmen, newsmen, religious leaders) saying whatever the plan is for them to say. Of course there will be controlled opposition. There will be a few people saying, "I distrust these aliens, or this agenda, or what the government is doing" but they will be controlled opposition who will gather all the opposition to what they want to do and raise the hopes of people who are against this hidden agenda but will not actually carry through and stop it." (6)

Expect to hear much more about this in the coming months and years but whatever you do don't believe them! There is no such thing as extra-terrestrial aliens but there are very powerful groups, with vast resources expended over a long period of time, who have set up deliberate hoaxes to persuade you of it.

Footnotes
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2LXVPrQ0tA
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki61su6wlOQ
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHisUgsKUTI
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_64sTN5AU
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHCcf2cmvGo
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6. https://archive.org/stream/SpringmeierFritzFritzSpringmeierInterview/Springmeier Fritz - Fritz Springmeier Interview_djvu.txt .

 

[Declan]

Aliens can not exist in the Catholic belief system, end of story.


An atheist might believe it, and even if the exist say 50 light years away, I view their existence on earth as basically impossibke.

 

[Professor]

Aliens can not exist in the Catholic belief system, end of story.


An atheist might believe it, and even if the exist say 50 light years away, I view their existence on earth as basically impossibke.

But the Church promotes supernatural scenarios, unidentified flying angels and lands existing high above the clouds, monsters living underground who used to fly with the sky angels.

Aliens who are created in laboratories and fly around in space drones are a certain possibility, especially once Ai gets up and running with it's super intelligence and capabilities.

NASA will send tough GMO creatures into space (prometheus style) with the seeds of earth.

The point being that Aliens do certainly exist.

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

When is the Pope speaking with infallibility and when is he flying a kite on church teaching. How can we tell the difference?

 

[scolairebocht]

Its a very specific thing when the Pope speaks infallibly. I think somebody said that Pope John Paul II, during a long Pontificate only made one statement in that vein. Among other things it can only involve religion and Church teaching, a purely political statement by the Pope would not be infallible.

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

Aliens can not exist in the Catholic belief system, end of story.


An atheist might believe it, and even if the exist say 50 light years away, I view their existence on earth as basically impossibke.

Not so quick... Here's a opportunity for the creation of The Church of The Even Latter Days Saints. With you in the States, can you find some tablets detailing new revelations out in Area 51 and I'll round up a crowd of women we can marry? We'll be millionaires in no time.

 

[Zipporah's Flint]

Aliens can not exist in the Catholic belief system, end of story.

I do not see how that is true.

The idea of their being intelligent Angelic life on the other planets was always widely held- so why not other types of intelligent life?

That said I do not believe that intelligent alien life with animal bodies has been visiting this earth.

 

[Declan]

We are unique, created in God's image. It is not in the Bible that other little communes were created elsewhere.


If an alien appeared, the established religions would collapse.

 

[AUL LAD]

We are unique, created in God's image. It is not in the Bible that other little communes were created elsewhere.


If an alien appeared, the established religions would collapse.

Declan have you seen god lately ---- we are created in his image who is WE --you have laid into various groups in your time --are they in gods image too .
the bible states he can be a high altitude vicious character capable of anything from turning cities to pillars of salt to murdering by the thousand .
i think the aliens have landed already do you not see them -- you are not allowed to see them drop 3 atomic bombs on Gaza .
the Semitic Jews of Palestine begged the UN not to let them land in Palestine in 1948.
they said they are not Jews they don't speak our language they are not of and do not respect our religion .
the formal word they used to address the UN was they described them as ALIENS.

 

[Professor]

We are unique, created in God's image. It is not in the Bible that other little communes were created elsewhere.


If an alien appeared, the established religions would collapse.

Yes but equally, all the above exist in the minds of men.
Someday a supernatural Jesus reborn with miraculous powers may appear and that would renew and strengthen belief.

 

[Esatdigiwank]

Yes but equally, all the above exist in the minds of men.
Someday a supernatural Jesus reborn with miraculous powers may appear and that would renew and strengthen belief.

Jesus has returned almost 8 years ago. As a long haired male psychiatric patient from Leitrim called Keith. I saw him and was scared because he was very animated. He possesses absolutely no powers. Total letdown.

 

[Professor]

Jesus has returned almost 8 years ago. As a long haired male psychiatric patient from Leitrim called Keith. I saw him and was scared because he was very animated. He possesses absolutely no powers. Total letdown.

Ah, that sounds like Jesus's of Spain and/or the Philippines -Mostly do-gooder wannabe's.
From now on You'll need to be looking out for Jesus the Miraculous of the Supernatural, see?

 

[jpc]

Where's the Field Marshall?

 

[Professor]

Where's the Field Marshall?

Probably took the Popes advice and placed his faith in the holy on high's Jabs

 

[jpc]

Probably took the Popes advice and placed his faith in the holy on high's Jabs

He's no fan of Frank !

 

[Declan]

---- we are created in his image who is WE

I am talking about Christian Bible thumper here. Not necessarily me.

If aliens landed tomorrow, their entire belief system would be destroyed.

They would be just devasted and paralyzed.


(The rest of your post does not seem to relate to anything wrt extra terrestrial life)

 

[scolairebocht]

Absolutely but the powers that be have great plans for this and they will extend it into virtually all sciences.

For example they are saying the G forces of the spaceships are so great, turning at great speed etc, that it is not possible to do via our current science. Hence it is a kind of multiverse, or a world of different dimensions we are talking about here, breaking our current understanding of physics.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Declan have you seen god lately.

Does God regularly appear in Castlecomer Sir?

 

[Professor]

Absolutely but the powers that be have great plans for this and they will extend it into virtually all sciences.

For example they are saying the G forces of the spaceships are so great, turning at great speed etc, that it is not possible to do via our current science. Hence it is a kind of multiverse, or a world of different dimensions we are talking about here, breaking our current understanding of physics.

That's just TPTB shifting the blame as they must have realised that they are the most destructive life & world killers(nukes) in the whole solar system/known galaxy. They need to feel like virtuous saviours as Gods would be but nothing threatens quite like they do, so a formidable and conquerable enemy of the world needed to be created - Aliens it must be!

 

[clarke-connolly]

I am talking about Christian Bible thumper here. Not necessarily me.

If aliens landed tomorrow, their entire belief system would be destroyed.

They would be just devasted and paralyzed.


(The rest of your post does not seem to relate to anything wrt extra terrestrial life)

What if the Aliens were all Jesus Clones ! ?

 

[AUL LAD]

That's just TPTB shifting the blame as they must have realised that they are the most destructive life & world killers(nukes) in the whole solar system/known galaxy. They need to feel like virtuous saviours as Gods would be but nothing threatens quite like they do, so a formidable and conquerable enemy of the world needed to be created - Aliens it must be!

pray to st Jude that the aliens are not religious --if they are were f---ked.
they have the means to make us worship the great slime of the cosmos or whatever they call it,
we already have the chosen ones who pray for our and our children's destruction .
between all those who wish to rob us and those who wish to ride us and those who wish to kill us maybe the great slime is not such a bad hoor after all.

 

[Tiger]

pray to st Jude that the aliens are not religious --if they are were f---ked.
they have the means to make us worship the great slime of the cosmos or whatever they call it,
we already have the chosen ones who pray for our and our children's destruction .
between all those who wish to rob us and those who wish to ride us and those who wish to kill us maybe the great slime is not such a bad hoor after all.

Aliens don’t exist, so don’t waste time worrying about it.

 

[clarke-connolly]

Aliens don’t exist, so don’t waste time worrying about it.

It seems that our Simulation, is too Low Cost, to have Aliens !

 

[Tiger]

It seems that our Simulation, is too Low Cost, to have Aliens !

We’re capable of making them up with CG, storytelling and with holographic imagery. That’s it.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Does God regularly appear in Castlecomer Sir?

Does he have any reason to? The place never struck me as the greatest den of iniquity, but appearances can be deceptive.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Where's the Field Marshall?

Perhaps he was the second messiah after all, but buggered off back heavenwards rather than expend his considerable intellectual energies in steering us heathens towards the path of proper catholic righteousness. I too miss the lad, had great time for him in between our arguments.

 

[Professor]

We’re capable of making them up with CG, storytelling and with holographic imagery. That’s it.

You forgot to include GMO's of the near future. At present there are autonomous mechanical organisms which run, swim and fly - Soon enough and with Ai doing the designing, there will be Alien creatures.
Does it matter whether they fly to the stars or fly around doing maintenance on Musk's starlink satellites in NEO?
Wake up Man, FFS! New God has come to Town!!

 

[scolairebocht]

So just to add to that you can hear Bill Cooper - you might like to skip past the first 4 minutes - , formerly of US Naval Intelligence, at this link:
View: https://www.bitchute.com/video/FIyGz1EJMAqj/
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And as regards Serge Monast, the great French Canadian researcher with unrivalled access to some, as of yet unnamed, power brokers you can see here a couple of pages from his book that came out in the mid 1990s. Btw his sources pointed out to him the importance of vaccines in what the Occult was planning, so he has a chapter on that and CIA involvement etc, and as you can read in these pages the alien hoax thing is also to be combined with widespread earthquakes, which he says they have the technology to start.

So anyway that gives you the great names in researching the Occult groups - who are certainly the great power in this world - telling you to expect this hoax.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Trump attends the Al Smith dinner but Kamla doesn't.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Were you an altar boy O'Connor?

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Another dupe of the peddlers of hope.

So you were probably playing your games of flatten the Harp cans around the wheels of the pope's plane when it landed in 1979 then?

Did you see him? Did you get a pat on the head? Did he tell you to never, ever give up on hope?

This new (?) discourse from you about hope is interesting and very much along the lines of the Zionist discourse of destroying all hope in the indigenous Palestinians to live an in anyway dignified national life.

However the Papal visit to Ireland in 1979 could undermine it because on surface that event showed Gaelic Christendom looking incredibly strong, resilient and maybe even dynamic, certainly immovable- but only ten or so years later it had, or at least large parts of it, already began to crumble into dust. Similarly right now it appears that the likes of roc_ and the Mowl getting to dominate and define the Occident is a reality that will not be moved any time soon if we examine the surfaces of things, but who knows whether or not a decade or so give or take may prove does appearances as having been as decieving as those of 1979?

 

[AN2]

Another dupe of the peddlers of hope.

Aren't you the chap used to play on the airport runways as a child? You grew up in one of those houses long demolished that were at the end of runway 16/34?

Your parents after a binge of Harp with vodka chasers decided to name you "Airmiles". The social services subsequently made them change it to Myles.

So you were probably playing your games of flatten the Harp cans around the wheels of the pope's plane when it landed in 1979 then?

Did you see him? Did you get a pat on the head? Did he tell you to never, ever give up on hope?

And look at you today. Every Friday night trying to take off in your Jetta. Hoping its wheels leave the ground for ever. Skirting ever closer to being finally free and happy with every Witherspoon's happy hour.

But no I was never an altar boy. Were you one yourself, nibbling the wafers and sneaking sips of the mass wine? I bet you were.

LOL @ your pound shop Mowl impression

 

[AN2]

Btwixt with Pox Populi do a deep dive on the CQ (Christian Question), split into three parts -

Part 1

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Anxehra5CAg

Part 2

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wDJ0o3zy9Qc

Part 3

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug2h2Ns9cLY

Btw, Btwixt is Irish (I'm sure you'd be able to tell by his accent) with a small YouTube channel and Pox Populi has Irish heritage and is the man who wrote this article -

21% decline in pubs since 2005

That is what you think, val along with help from an indian has hacked the site News to me about the Indian, is it an Indian Indian or an American Indian? I do all my hacking alone. I did a few for a laugh here but quit it with the elections

www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Btwixt with Pox Populi do a deep dive on the CQ (Christian Question), split into three parts -

Part 1

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Anxehra5CAg

Part 2

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wDJ0o3zy9Qc

Part 3

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug2h2Ns9cLY

Btw, Btwixt is Irish (I'm sure you'd be able to tell by his accent) with a small YouTube channel and Pox Populi has Irish heritage and is the man who wrote this article -

21% decline in pubs since 2005

That is what you think, val along with help from an indian has hacked the site News to me about the Indian, is it an Indian Indian or an American Indian? I do all my hacking alone. I did a few for a laugh here but quit it with the elections

www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com

I haven't listened to all of them but I would say that yes any type of meaningful Christianity would prevent Gaels from adopting anything along the lines of roc_'s ethno-tribalism which makes what he sees as his tribe's good an ultimate for which all ethical and other considerations can be thrown away if they get anywhere near conflict with it. However that does not mean that Christians cannot still be ethno-nationalists even no mind opposed to mass immigration.

 

[AN2]

I haven't listened to all of them but I would say that yes any type of meaningful Christianity would prevent Gaels from adopting anything along the lines of roc_'s ethno-tribalism which makes what he sees as his tribe's good an ultimate for which all ethical and other considerations can be thrown away if they get anywhere near conflict with it. However that does not mean that Christians cannot still be ethno-nationalists even no mind opposed to mass immigration.

Ethno-nationalism is racist

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Ethno-nationalism is racist

Racism as such is not a sin.

Also people have widely differing understandings of what that term covers.

 

[AN2]

Racism as such is not a sin.

Did you read the article in post #30?

Obviously roc is playing to this fairly well known meme..

But nonetheless.. (the only thing that's stupid about the article is as if the Church isn't vocal against racism)

Also people have widely differing understandings of what that term covers.

 

[AN2]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug2h2Ns9cLY&t=36m57s

 

[AN2]

Jambo you stupid cunt.

Do you always have to run everything you hear through your white supremacist memes?

Listen again, it's pretty simple.

Once again, imagining that you're in any way complicated

I found myself in a funeral mass recently. (I only went out of respect to my family, like any normal person brought up catholic of our generation - after what that institution did, I am loathe to be in a mass).

The priest banged on almost the whole time about "welcoming strangers" - and the catholic duty in that regard, and he backed it up with bible stories, and what we could learn from the mystery of the trinity and so on.

He was basically lecturing the congregation not to be racist.

Now this was the complete polar opposite to how the god botherers on these fucking fora go on? So what gives?

In the context of this thread I'm simply asking is there division in the pious Irish catholic community over this?

How come what this priest was saying is nothing like what the idiot religious online catholics that plague these fora say?

Simple question. You don't need a stupid meme to frame it into something already written out for you in your stupid dogma.

Anyone got an intelligent answer so?

We're both asking a question. Mine is critical of Christianity or Christians who aren't racist. Yours is critical of Christians who are racist (mine is of course more honest, see the meme)

 

[Tiger]

Jambo you stupid cunt.

Do you always have to run everything you hear through your white supremacist memes?

Listen again, it's pretty simple.

I found myself in a funeral mass recently. (I only went out of respect to my family, like any normal person brought up catholic of our generation - after what that institution did, I am loathe to be in a mass).

The priest banged on almost the whole time about "welcoming strangers" - and the catholic duty in that regard, and he backed it up with bible stories, and what we could learn from the mystery of the trinity and so on.

He was basically lecturing the congregation not to be racist.

Now this was the complete polar opposite to how the god botherers on these fucking fora go on? So what gives?

In the context of this thread I'm simply asking is there division in the pious Irish catholic community over this?

How come what this priest was saying is nothing like what the idiot religious online catholics that plague these fora say?

Simple question. You don't need a stupid meme to frame it into something already written out for you in your stupid dogma.

Anyone got an intelligent answer so?

Ah, yes, the modern priest—the very embodiment of our time’s tragicomic fall from grace. You found yourself trapped in the Church of Nice, where the central tenet is “don’t offend,” and the liturgy has been reduced to something resembling a UN seminar on hospitality. This priest of yours was prattling on about “welcoming strangers,” all wrapped up in Bible stories, as if the entire history of Christendom could be boiled down to a Hallmark card about inclusion.

What you’re witnessing is nothing new. This isn’t Catholicism as it was handed down through the ages, through saints, councils, and martyrs. No, this is Vatican II Catholicism—“Catholicism Lite.” It’s the church trying to cozy up to the world instead of standing firmly as the rock it’s meant to be. The priest isn’t leading his flock; he’s following the world, turning his back on Tradition in the name of some vague, worldly charity. He has fallen into the trap of thinking that nice and good are synonyms.

But what about actual Catholicism—the one that built Western civilization? You mention the disconnect between what your modern priest preaches and what more hardline Catholics online are saying. Well, here’s your answer: Historically, the Church was not in the business of “making friends” with those who would tear down her sanctuaries. When the Catholic Faith and Christian civilization were under attack, the Church stood with sword in hand. Look no further than the Battle of Lepanto in 1571, when the Catholic League defeated the Ottoman fleet. That wasn’t achieved by sitting in circles holding hands and “welcoming the stranger.” It was achieved by men defending Christendom, knowing that there are times when defense is a form of love for one’s people, one’s culture, and one’s Faith. Currently, hostile immigrants in France, Canada and the US are literally burning down hundreds of churches and these weak men of the cloth are not uttering a word.

And let's not forget: the Church has always taught that Charity begins at home. That means ensuring the safety, integrity, and spiritual welfare of our own communities first. When the Faith is strong, then it can welcome those who come in peace, who seek truth, and who wish to embrace—not erase—our culture and our Church. But welcoming those who openly reject our Faith and culture under the guise of “niceness” is neither charity nor wisdom. It’s moral cowardice disguised as virtue.

So yes, there is division within the modern Church. On one hand, you have the modernist priest and his followers, who think the Gospel is about making people comfortable. On the other hand, you have the Catholics who know their history and their Faith, who are increasingly frustrated by the Church’s descent into soft, squishy platitudes. The difference between them? One group believes in eternal truths; the other believes in being “nice.” So next time a priest preaches from the altar of modernism, remember this: the Church was not founded to be nice. It was founded to save souls.

The Catholic community around the globe covers every conceivable race from Africans, to Indonesians, to Latino’s. There isn’t an issue with race, there’s an issue with radicals from other religions and cultures trying to erase it. Catholics have the right to defend themselves. There’s a noticeable difference in how immigrants from Poland and the Philippines integrated into our society in previous decades due to homogeneous cultural practices compared to the current crop of very alienating and hostile cultures arriving on our shores.

Simple enough for you O’Connor?