Andrew Gold Tackles The Taboo Topic Of Race Realism

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How would you do it, then? What would be your model?
How would I do what? I'm anti-immigration

And, I know that you are somewhat unaware of my views (that I've stated before) but I am not an IQ nationalist
 

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How would I do what? I'm anti-immigration

And, I know that you are somewhat unaware of my views (that I've stated before) but I am not an IQ nationalist
How would you manage immigration? Who gets in and who doesn't?
 

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I think Lynn is/was (is he dead?) a somewhat accursed figure when it comes to the Irish and race realism. Anyone who seems to know anything about the subject seems to be aware of his eh, less than complimentary views on the Irish

In fact, I couldn't help but notice that Golah said recently that he was a racist

Which made me a little curious, does she think that he's a "racist" because he's a race realist, or anti-Irish? Perhaps @SwordOfStZip could clarify..

He died in the summer of 2023 if I recall correctly- but it could have been 2022.

How do you define race realist?
 

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How would you manage immigration? Who gets in and who doesn't?
The first thing I would ask you is why do you think that immigration is a fait accompli?

Of course, I would not shy away from saying that non-white immigration is worse, have you ever read my 64,000$ question?
 

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The first thing I would ask you is why do you think that immigration is a fait accompli?

Of course, I would not shy away from saying that non-white immigration is worse, have you ever read my 64,000$ question?
It's inevitable due to lower birth rates. Suffice to say the powers that be don't really care what form the serfs take as long as there's no economic contraction and growth happens. Whites tend to value quality over quantity and therefore tend to have fewer kids. Immigration will be pushed to make up the difference.
 

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He died in the summer of 2023 if I recall correctly- but it could have been 2022.

How do you define race realist?
A race realist is someone who believes that race is a biological reality and that the difference between races is not meaningless or superficial i.e. appearance, as we've been lied to for many decades.

Describing race as a "skin color" is race denialism 101, which is why my automatic response has always been - Race isn't a skin colour
 

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It's inevitable due to lower birth rates.
Again, you're just with the fait accompli

Suffice to say the powers that be don't really care what form the serfs take as long as there's no economic contraction and growth happens. Whites tend to value quality over quantity
Are you talking about Kevin Parlon? Because that's what he does.. and every other non-nationalist like him

I'm a nationalist
 

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He wasn't anti-Irish. He just observed discrepancies in IQ between different Countries and races.

When he went to work in Trinity College he noticed how sh1t the Irish economy was and out of curiosity he asked his associate to get data on Irish IQ levels and found them to be low.

He put that down to mass emigration aka brain drain and Catholicism, where in those days the brightest tended to become Priests and Nuns and with them having no progeny it stopped the good genes passing down.

We were indeed quite thick for a period but we improved after that. Of course that brought its own set of problems.
Can you ask Sword why she thinks Lynn was a racist please (she won't tell me)?
 

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Again, you're just with the fait accompli


Are you talking about Kevin Parlon? Because that's what he does.. and every other non-nationalist like him

I'm a nationalist
None of this solves the problem that native Irish aren't having enough kids to meet replacement, and the reasons for that are economic and competency-based. An intelligent Irish couple will plan out their family size based on available resources relative to ability to provide a certain standard of living for their progeny. Africans and Pakis will simply breed like rabbits and be a drain on the state, figuring that 1 in 6 might turn out OK. They're just playing the law of averages. Native Irish are having fewer kids because they care about the quality of life their kids will have, third worlders don't care. The reason natives aren't having more kids is that it's unaffordable to do so. So the problem compounds. Immigration from the Third World causes increased pressure on natives who have less kids which causes lower birth rates which causes increased immigration from the third world et et al ad finitum. This is how population replacement and civilizational collapse happens. That's how you get Sweden.


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None of this solves the problem that native Irish aren't having enough kids to meet replacement, and the reasons for that are economic and competency-based. An intelligent Irish couple will plan out their family size based on available resources relative to ability to provide a certain standard of living for their progeny. Africans and Pakis will simply breed like rabbits and be a drain on the state, figuring that 1 in 6 might turn out OK. They're just playing the law of averages. Native Irish are having fewer kids because they care about the quality of life their kids will have, third worlders don't care. The reason natives aren't having more kids is that it's unaffordable to do so. So the problem compounds. Immigration from the Third World causes increased pressure on natives who have less kids which causes lower birth rates which causes increased immigration from the third world et et al ad finitum. This is how population replacement and civilizational collapse happens. That's how you get Sweden.
Sorry, r u pro white genocide?

Are there any conditions under which you're pro white genocide, have you already underlined them?
 

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Sorry, r u pro white genocide?

Are there any conditions under which you're pro white genocide, have you already underlined them?
I don't know how that was the takeaway. I'm presenting a problem to you that has to be resolved. If you don't want the Irish to go extinct, both genetically and culturally, they are going to have to be incentivized to breed.
 

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I don't know how that was the takeaway. I'm presenting a problem to you that has to be resolved. If you don't want the Irish to go extinct, both genetically and culturally, they are going to have to be incentivized to breed.
And what happens if they aren't?
 

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Then they will be replaced by migrants. Mostly third worlders who will turn Ireland into the same degenerated, unproductive squalid shitholes from which they came.
This is just strange to me, as a nationalist.

If the Irish aren't incentivised (presumably by the very incumbents who are actively genociding us) to breed then, you know, Game Over Irishman. It's really not how I think about it
 

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This is just strange to me, as a nationalist.

If the Irish aren't incentivised (presumably by the very incumbents who are actively genociding us) to breed then, you know, Game Over Irishman. It's really not how I think about it

The only other course of action is for the native Irish to just play the same game. Have kids they can't afford, as the third worlders do.
 

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The only other course of action is for the native Irish to just play the same game. Have kids they can't afford, as the third worlders do.
Surely the first course of action would be to close the borders. I mean, the populations of European countries (despite having below replacement fertility rates) are actually increasing.. Same as Australia
 

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Surely the first course of action would be to close the borders. I mean, the populations of European countries (despite having below replacement fertility rates) are actually increasing.. Same as Australia
I've already said that this will not feasible. The economic system in which you live can never stop, and is predicated on infinite growth. There are so many reasons for this I don't even know where to begin talking about it. You're going to get immigration whether you want it or not. The question is in what form do you want it.
 

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I've already said that this will not feasible. The economic system in which you live can never stop, and is predicated on infinite growth. There are so many reasons for this I don't even know where to begin talking about it. You're going to get immigration whether you want it or not. The question is in what form do you want it.
I'm not really a muh economy guy but do you accept that third world immigration is of no benefit to the economy? That's something that we're also lied to about constantly
 

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I'm not really a muh economy guy but do you accept that third world immigration is of no benefit to the economy? That's something that we're also lied to about constantly
Immigration is beneficial to large businesses as it increases competition in the employment sector which drives down wages and has a flow-on effect for growth. That's a pretty amateurish overview but more or less the gist of it. Nothing gives big business (especially retail food chains) a hard-on like a conga line of willing wagecucks. Another part of it is just general market expansion. It'all good for big business, but not for small business, as this generally coincides with degradation of labour value and increased regulation, the price of which big enterprises can generally float but small business often can't.

"Took our Jobs" is actually a real thing, despite the left memeing it. High immigration is an issue for transitory labour sectors especially in the same way that negative gearing is bad for the housing market; the "leg-up" bootstrap type jobs need to be accessible to the under and lower classes (and the young) otherwise these categories tend to become inescapable and inter-generational in the same way that you need a bunch of shitbox properties around to help these same groups of people get their foot in the door of homeownership.

Ideally, you want far more small and middle business and far less big business, and strong business confidence relative to those sectors, though certainly some biggies are necessary because these have the capital power to drive bleeding-edge innovation. Go look at images of the shelves in a general a store in say 1910. What you'll notice is that there are fare more brands of products, and types of them for sale than there are currently. Some of this is due to redundancy (and regulation, as previously discussed), but the majority is because of market dominance/monopolization. Put it this way; the more people there are with low-capital, the more they have to compete for with one another for everything, and the better that is for the ownership class in virtually every sector. Immigration drives monopolization and commercial homogenization. This wasn't always the case. But we live in the now.

Because your average modern leftist is completely retarded and economically/ financially illiterate, they can't comprehend that yes, on balance immigration is, unless they happen to be in the top 5% of earners, almost certainly going to make their lives worse. It's going to drive up prices across the board, especially rent and housing prices, and will result in lower wages and fewer working hours. Ironically, they are championing the very thing that nurtures the exact class of people, and entities, they claim to despise. They're living in 2012, not 2025.
 
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That's too long for me to read Fishalt but if that doesn't stop Sparky yapping at your heels nothing will.
 

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Immigration is beneficial to large businesses as it increases competition in the employment sector which drives down wages and has a flow-on effect for growth. That's a pretty amateurish overview but more or less the gist of it. Nothing gives big business (especially retail food chains) a hard-on like a conga line of willing wagecucks. Another part of it is just general market expansion. It'all good for big business, but not for small business, as this generally coincides with degradation of labour value and increased regulation, the price of which big enterprises can generally float but small business often can't.

"Took our Jobs" is actually a real thing, despite the left memeing it. High immigration is an issue for transitory labour sectors especially in the same way that negative gearing is bad for the housing market; the "leg-up" bootstrap type jobs need to be accessible to the under and lower classes (and the young) otherwise these categories tend to become inescapable and inter-generational in the same way that you need a bunch of shitbox properties around to help these same groups of people get their foot in the door of homeownership.

Ideally, you want far more small and middle business and far less big business, and strong business confidence relative to those sectors, though certainly some biggies are necessary because these have the capital power to drive bleeding-edge innovation. Go look at images of the shelves in a general a store in say 1910. What you'll notice is that there are fare more brands of products, and types of them for sale than there are currently. Some of this is due to redundancy (and regulation, as previously discussed), but the majority is because of market dominance/monopolization. Put it this way; the more people there are with low-capital, the more they have to compete for with one another for everything, and the better that is for the ownership class in virtually every sector. Immigration drives monopolization and commercial homogenization. This wasn't always the case. But we live in the now.

Because your average modern leftist is completely retarded and economically/ financially illiterate, they can't comprehend that yes, on balance immigration is, unless they happen to be in the top 5% of earners, almost certainly going to make their lives worse. It's going to drive up prices across the board, especially rent and housing prices, and will result in lower wages and fewer working hours. Ironically, they are championing the very thing that nurtures the exact class of people, and entities, they claim to despise. They're living in 2012, not 2025.
Yes, but the claim that mass immigration is required for economic growth, for the migrants to pay for our pensions etc. is false

But again, as nationalists, we don't see nations as economic zones
 

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Africans can't plant trees
Richard Lynn said they shouldn't be allowed operate any kind of machinery. For example he warned against people taking Buses that were driven by Africans.

For their part the Africans were amazed by the "courage of the white man" when he first arrived and began taming Elephants and hunting down Lions. They worshipped him like some kind of demigod for teaching them the ways of the Jungle.
 

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Richard Lynn said they shouldn't be allowed operate any kind of machinery. For example he warned against people taking Buses that were driven by Africans.

For their part the Africans were amazed by the "courage of the white man" when he first arrived and began taming Elephants and hunting down Lions. They worshipped him like some kind of demigod for teaching them the ways of the Jungle.
LOL well, I'd not be so sure of that last part Myles. I find it difficult to believe that Whitey, who had a life span of about 1 year on the African continent due to malaria, was teaching the natives much about the ways of the jungle. Doubtless they were impressed by our technology but yeah...nah.

I'm pretty confident Africans can drive bu--actually, never mind. This is a very good shitpost haha!
 

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LOL well, I'd not be so sure of that last part Myles. I find it difficult to believe that Whitey, who had a life span of about 1 year on the African continent due to malaria, was teaching the natives much about the ways of the jungle. Doubtless they were impressed by our technology but yeah...nah.

I'm pretty confident Africans can drive bu--actually, never mind. This is a very good shitpost haha!
I can assure you it was no shitpost Sir.

Looky here:

In response to Trump's cutting of aid, Africans acknowledge they've been unable to feed themselves and thank the white man for doing so.

“African nations must stand on their own,” South Africa’s health minister said.

“This message is to say please stand on your own, because no country can depend forever on another country. It’s a wake up call.

“I personally do not think it is humanly possible for a country to feed others for life."

The Zambian President also said “I want to thank Mr Trump actually."

" I think he’s slapped us not on one cheek but on both cheeks, we should have been hammered a long time ago.”



I recall a Liberian tour guide telling an American who asked why the Country was so behind the rest of Africa that it was because it was the only Country the white man never came to civilise.

 

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Is Konstantin Kisin White = = I suggest a lot of People would Not say that he is White !

If he is White ~ He is a Brown White ! !

And the Feminist was a Nutter = = Which can easily happen when, regardless of what-ever shite she came out with, all of her life = = She was told = = That's Amazing ! ! !
 

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Is Konstantin Kisin White = = I suggest a lot of People would Not say that he is White !

If he is White ~ He is a Brown White ! !
And the Feminist was a Nutter = = Which can easily happen when, regardless of what-ever shite she came out with, all of her life = = She was told = = That's Amazing ! ! !
End stage race denial
 
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"Statistics are racist."
Do you understand why?

E.g. Do you understand the difference between a real individual and the "average" individual that statistical science presents?

Or, are you familiar with the influence of Francis Galton on statistical science, the methods he introduced, and the statistical justification of eugenics that stemmed from that?

It might do you a world of good to attempt to wrap your head around these things.
 

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I hope that this is Not you talking to yourself, AN2 ! !
Do you understand why?

E.g. Do you understand the difference between a real individual and the "average" individual that statistical science presents?

Or, are you familiar with the influence of Francis Galton on statistical science, the methods he introduced, and the statistical justification of eugenics that stemmed from that?

It might do you a world of good to attempt to wrap your head around these things.
I hope that this is Not you talking to yourself, AN2 ! ! 😲
 

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