The causes behind the new Catholic Revival

[Mad as Fish]

Thats definitely the case Seek, it has nothing to do with the current leadership.

For example in Ireland they are busy closing down Dioceses and going on about 'Synodality', meaning they are hoping to copy the Anglican way of dissapearing into oblivion, but you would never hear anybody say these things have helped this surge.

Remember the Church isn't a political party, simply put, its the truth. Its a bit like its a truth to say if you borrow money from a bank you have to pay it back. You could spend years, decades, living the highlife on borrowed money but that 'truth' will come back to hit you in the end.

The truth is you have a soul, which would like to get to heaven, and is impeded in such progress by sin and demons and what have you. That is the real world, that is the truth of your existence, and while you could spend decades ignoring it or fighting it, in the long run the truth will catch up with you.

To me it sounds more like exhaustion than a deliberate attempt to close down the church, where is the young blood to follow on and replace the present clergy? With so few showing any interest in the priesthood it must at least be demoralising to realise that as the present crop expires there are so few to carry on? Could it be that it is more a matter of putting ones affairs in order before the final call, rather than a conspiracy?

 

[BIG FAT HOOR]

To me it sounds more like exhaustion than a deliberate attempt to close down the church, where is the young blood to follow on and replace the present clergy? With so few showing any interest in the priesthood it must at least be demoralising to realise that as the present crop expires there are so few to carry on? Could it be that it is more a matter of putting ones affairs in order before the final call, rather than a conspiracy?

i have met some terrific women who are very learned and hard working and sincere -- i would have no problem having a female priest --its staring them in the face what has to be done - i do not understand the problem.

 

[Mad as Fish]

i have met some terrific women who are very learned and hard working and sincere -- i would have no problem having a female priest --its staring them in the face what has to be done - i do not understand the problem.

Probaly the fact that the opposition is already doing so.

 

[BIG FAT HOOR]

Converts are more trad than born Catholics. Carrie Prejean Boller is only a convert a year or two and she is picking a fight with two top bishops. She's calling them out as effeminate homosexuals. Very funny exchange online.

Every convert knows that the USP of Christianity is the Whipping (of the Jews) in the Temple. Every convert to catholicism venerates St Hugh of Lincoln and St Simon of Trent.

If you nose, you nose. Na h-abair tada.

when you research it --it turns out the temple was a mafia racket and the sons of Caiaphas the current priest who presided over the trial of Jesus and the last high priest annas sons both owned/controlled the stalls and shops of the temple .
the poor would bring their best animals for sacrifice to god but the TEMPLE INSPECTORS would deem them unsuitable and they were forced to buy diseased half dead animals at 3 times the true cost and then received a pittance for their own .
the TEMPLE COIN did not have Herod's head on it and and nobody wished to use the WRONG COIN for sacrifice and there ""was always a shortage "" and the rate of exchange trebled in 2 years of the temple coin being introduced .
this is why Christ used cords of rope to clear these conmen and knackers from the temple and of course this is what got him killed .
You dont mess with the mafia -- it is this that has the jews upset as this explains their methods used to the present day -they have no morality -none.

 

[BIG FAT HOOR]

But anyway just on the subject of the great Irish Church architecture that preceded the post Vatican II wrecking ball, I thought I'd put up here a few pics from the Parish Church of Trim, where I was at mass today, built I think about 1910.
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lovely bright church -- there was a very strong Celtic art revival at that time and its great to see it survived .
good photos very clear -- the church is well painted and well maintained and I am a fan of art deco --I think it is very tasteful and has lovely proportions in everything .

 

[Tiger]

i agree with what you write about the architecture --with a passion and a clarity thats lovely to read .
as a young person who served mass i was the last in my locality to have been instructed in Latin and what responses to make and when and had to learn the language as to ring the bell and other tasks were dependent on monitoring the Latin and responding -- it was horrific gobbledygook and annoyed me intensely .
i reasoned i was not permitted to understand what was going on and the deliberate use of a language that only one person in the church spoke was an insult to the religion and those who wished to follow it.
this extended to the practice of turning your back on the people --and when Vatican 2 came i experienced such liberation from the drudgery of the Latin .
a day after people wondered why such a daft thing had ever been decided on .
and were we not entitled to know what was being said to us and what was being said on our behalf .
nobody would buy a car from a salesman who turned his back on you and a priest was no different --- the people now looked at the face which was speaking to them in a language they could understand and they felt they had finally got some little respect as they could now assess the sincerity of the person while listening to his words AND FOR THE FIRST TIME IT WAS ACKNOWLEDGED THEY HAD THIS ENTITLEMENT .
the mad rush to modernize--- to embrace progress was embraced by all and we went to unpainted concrete sheds which had random broken pieces of coloured glass fused together and the illogical chaotic nature of it appealed to us and liberated us from the classical forms which were now being rejected .
not because they were ugly but were seen as dark and oppressive .
the new buildings were a joy on a summers day and Ireland looked well in the sunlight for a change as no classical church was capable of allowing light /sunshine on the worshippers .
People generally do not read for knowledge nor are curious enough to research .
therefore the subtleties of architecture/politics/medicine/mental health/ morality /ethics/law are never discussed in detail or with any knowledge that would lead to an informed opinion .
the MODERN church architecture was a response by management to rebrand the company and relaunch it with priests with flared trousers long hair and loads and loads of broken coloured glass in the walls roof everywhere and most of all as quick as possible,
as the church felt the earthquake of the young generation who for the first time GAVE THEMSELVES THE PERMISSION TO LIVE AS THEY CHOOSE.
and this permission did not include the catholic church ,
seen as oppressive and dark /foreign language speaking repressive -fanatical /cultish wealthy /powerful /educated /opinionated /entitled elite .
in short everything the hippy generation and the mild flared trousered smiling majority of the 1970 s Abba generation despised .
the concrete sheds and the smiling singing priests who looked at you while the sun traversed the sky and one moment lit your granny in blue but in a few moments entertained all by lighting her in vivid red -- mass was no longer boring and our homes did not allow such light to enter and we somehow felt IMPROVED by being there .
we now have moved on a little and we now expect more from our architects and the church has to and has i think learned that the architecture of the building must now admit light -- not be a frozen hall - you have to hear with clarity what is being said in all locations at LOW volume .
security is now an issue and building maintenance is unaffoardble to the locals or the main church body for almost the lifetime of the building .
how do you project the current requirement of humility in a cathedral -- its not possible .

BFH, while I think you’re right to describe the feeling of liberation people experienced at the time; however that doesn’t mean the changes themselves were either necessary or healthy for the Faith. What you’re describing is less a simple “translation into English” and more a wholesale redefinition of what the Mass actually is.

The Novus Ordo is not simply a translation of the traditional Latin mass. It’s an entirely new liturgy.

Firstly, on Latin. It wasn’t there to exclude people, it was there to unify and protect the Faith. For centuries, whether you were in Ireland, France, Africa, or Asia, the Mass was the same. A Catholic could walk into any church, anywhere in the world and know exactly what was happening. That universality matters. More importantly, Latin is a dead language, so it doesn’t change. That means the meaning of the prayers can’t drift over time the way vernacular languages do. In a religion built on precise doctrine, that stability is a safeguard, not an insult. If any saint from past centuries turned up today and attended a post Vatican 2 new order (Novus Ordo) rite; they wouldn't know what religion it was and certainly wouldn't think its Catholic. They'd be confused.

And it's worth saying that understanding wasn’t absent, either. People followed the Mass with missals (with the English translation, side by side with the Latin), catechesis, and familiarity. The idea that Catholics for 1,500 years were just sitting in ignorance doesn’t really hold up. My kids could follow the Latin mass at 6 or 7 years of age. It's incredibly simple.

The priest facing the altar, rather than the people, also wasn’t about “turning his back.” He was leading the people in prayer, all facing the same direction, toward God on the cross on Calvary, when the priest faces the other way, he's turning his back on God on the Cross. It is a re-enactment of Calvalry. It was a shared orientation, not a performance. When that changed, the focus subtly shifted: the priest became more like a presenter addressing an audience, rather than a mediator offering sacrifice. The new liturgy and priestly actions suggest that the mass itself is more than likely illicit.

Now, the deeper issue: the post–Vatican II reforms didn’t just “happen.” The new liturgy; the Novus Ordo, was largely shaped by a masonic infiltrator called - Annibale Bugnini, a figure who has long been controversial, including allegations (with considerable evidence) of Masonic associations. What’s not disputed is that he deliberately brought in Protestant observers during the reform process, and the resulting rite removed or softened many explicitly Catholic elements; especially references to sacrifice, sin, and the priest’s unique role. The Freemason Bugnini and his Protestant advisors formed a new liturgy which can only be described as a 'new religion'.

That’s why many see the new Mass as constructed to be more acceptable to non-Catholics rather than as a faithful organic development of tradition.

Even small details reflect a shift in spirit. The introduction of things like the “sign of peace”, that handshake moment, might seem harmless, but it changes the atmosphere from something sacred and vertical to something social and horizontal. It mimics the masonic 'handshake'. Someone was amusing themselves adding that to the liturgy.

As for whether Second Vatican Council was a success: that depends on what you think its goal was. If it was meant to usher in a “new springtime for the church,” the results speak for themselves, mass attendance collapsed, vocations declined, belief in core doctrines weakened. Ireland is a prime example of that trajectory.

But if the aim; intentionally or otherwise, was to dilute, modernise, and ultimately weaken the traditional Faith, then yes, you could argue it succeeded remarkably well.

The Church prior to Vatican 2 was soaring with all-time high mass attendances and conversions. This nosedived after Vatican 2. Pretty much immediately. Vatican 2 was a monumental failure.

So the 1960's “hippy moment” wasn’t just about making things easier to understand. It was about changing the entire orientation of Catholic life, from something sacred, stable, and transcendent into something adaptable, accessible, and, ultimately, far less anchored.

It has been a monumental failure.

 

[Tiger]

View: https://youtu.be/pkWvrq0t6FE?si=5D_pRtWBS7bSnRGa

 

[Diarmuid]

Even small details reflect a shift in spirit. The introduction of things like the “sign of peace”, that handshake moment, might seem harmless, but it changes the atmosphere from something sacred and vertical to something social and horizontal. It mimics the masonic 'handshake'. Someone was amusing themselves adding that to the liturgy.

Achoimre iontach, GRMA.

I used to love the "sign of peace". But not so much now. Presumably, in the old days, the handshakes would be left until after the Mass and people were chatting outside?

Was this a total innovation? Was it based on anything in the original mass?

Allowing priests to marry would be a big improvement: when they brought in celibacy a thousand years ago, some priests of the time called it a homosexual conspiracy.

Women priests seem a bad idea, though I can't quite explain why. Maybe it's because the priest has to be ready to sacrifice his own life. Women's lives are more valuable than men's, from a tribal survival viewpoint.

 

[Mad as Fish]

BFH, while I think you’re right to describe the feeling of liberation people experienced at the time; however that doesn’t mean the changes themselves were either necessary or healthy for the Faith. What you’re describing is less a simple “translation into English” and more a wholesale redefinition of what the Mass actually is.

The Novus Ordo is not simply a translation of the traditional Latin mass. It’s an entirely new liturgy.

Firstly, on Latin. It wasn’t there to exclude people, it was there to unify and protect the Faith. For centuries, whether you were in Ireland, France, Africa, or Asia, the Mass was the same. A Catholic could walk into any church, anywhere in the world and know exactly what was happening. That universality matters. More importantly, Latin is a dead language, so it doesn’t change. That means the meaning of the prayers can’t drift over time the way vernacular languages do. In a religion built on precise doctrine, that stability is a safeguard, not an insult. If any saint from past centuries turned up today and attended a post Vatican 2 new order (Novus Ordo) rite; they wouldn't know what religion it was and certainly wouldn't think its Catholic. They'd be confused.

And it's worth saying that understanding wasn’t absent, either. People followed the Mass with missals (with the English translation, side by side with the Latin), catechesis, and familiarity. The idea that Catholics for 1,500 years were just sitting in ignorance doesn’t really hold up. My kids could follow the Latin mass at 6 or 7 years of age. It's incredibly simple.

The priest facing the altar, rather than the people, also wasn’t about “turning his back.” He was leading the people in prayer, all facing the same direction, toward God on the cross on Calvary, when the priest faces the other way, he's turning his back on God on the Cross. It is a re-enactment of Calvalry. It was a shared orientation, not a performance. When that changed, the focus subtly shifted: the priest became more like a presenter addressing an audience, rather than a mediator offering sacrifice. The new liturgy and priestly actions suggest that the mass itself is more than likely illicit.

Now, the deeper issue: the post–Vatican II reforms didn’t just “happen.” The new liturgy; the Novus Ordo, was largely shaped by a masonic infiltrator called - Annibale Bugnini, a figure who has long been controversial, including allegations (with considerable evidence) of Masonic associations. What’s not disputed is that he deliberately brought in Protestant observers during the reform process, and the resulting rite removed or softened many explicitly Catholic elements; especially references to sacrifice, sin, and the priest’s unique role. The Freemason Bugnini and his Protestant advisors formed a new liturgy which can only be described as a 'new religion'.

That’s why many see the new Mass as constructed to be more acceptable to non-Catholics rather than as a faithful organic development of tradition.

Even small details reflect a shift in spirit. The introduction of things like the “sign of peace”, that handshake moment, might seem harmless, but it changes the atmosphere from something sacred and vertical to something social and horizontal. It mimics the masonic 'handshake'. Someone was amusing themselves adding that to the liturgy.

As for whether Second Vatican Council was a success: that depends on what you think its goal was. If it was meant to usher in a “new springtime for the church,” the results speak for themselves, mass attendance collapsed, vocations declined, belief in core doctrines weakened. Ireland is a prime example of that trajectory.

But if the aim; intentionally or otherwise, was to dilute, modernise, and ultimately weaken the traditional Faith, then yes, you could argue it succeeded remarkably well.

The Church prior to Vatican 2 was soaring with all-time high mass attendances and conversions. This nosedived after Vatican 2. Pretty much immediately. Vatican 2 was a monumental failure.

So the 1960's “hippy moment” wasn’t just about making things easier to understand. It was about changing the entire orientation of Catholic life, from something sacred, stable, and transcendent into something adaptable, accessible, and, ultimately, far less anchored.

It has been a monumental failure.

Always found the handshake thingy slightly embarrassing, more happy clappy than sacred.

 

[BIG FAT HOOR]

Always found the handshake thingy slightly embarrassing, more happy clappy than sacred.

in my neck of the woods it is theatre sometimes where some renowned bolix would turn and laugh as he offered his hand and people desperately turned to get a handshake from someone anyone but the tittering nightmare in front of them .
i always enjoy small kids with a big smile 4 feet below you offering their hand for a laugh in a safe environment and enjoying the big smiles in return .
i never associated the masons with the handshake and i thought in the background it had something to do with Northern Ireland which raged for much of my life and the sign of peace was the only time in the week we made a formal effort to respect peace.

 

[BIG FAT HOOR]

Achoimre iontach, GRMA.

I used to love the "sign of peace". But not so much now. Presumably, in the old days, the handshakes would be left until after the Mass and people were chatting outside?

Was this a total innovation? Was it based on anything in the original mass?

Allowing priests to marry would be a big improvement: when they brought in celibacy a thousand years ago, some priests of the time called it a homosexual conspiracy.

Women priests seem a bad idea, though I can't quite explain why. Maybe it's because the priest has to be ready to sacrifice his own life. Women's lives are more valuable than men's, from a tribal survival viewpoint.

There have been instances of coordinated homosexual revolt /control in the church and pope Ratzinger resigned in the face of such a revolt .
the Irish college in Rome had to put down an insurrection in the past few years and I do not know if it has won or lost the war yet .

 

[Tiger]

View: https://youtu.be/4yjEQPX_Y-U?si=60U4o7FHDbNOuC1m

 

[BIG FAT HOOR]

The Church prior to Vatican 2 was soaring with all-time high mass attendances and conversions. This nosedived after Vatican 2. Pretty much immediately. Vatican 2 was a monumental failure.

thank you for your great post -- it is sincere and considered and I have read it a number of times -I also watched the video underneath and enjoyed listening to it -and again I do not doubt the sincerity and goodness which motivates you .
in order for you to understand where I come from I am going to use a formal protestant term for parishioners THE ORDINARY .
I come from a mining village which is unique in Ireland for many reasons -it was the only true industrial town in Ireland where the majority 690 men worked a 3 shift system underground and their wives had to wash and cook and cater for 3 shifts in 24 hours every week as in large families you had 5-7 sons and their father in the mines .
the mine was the ESBs biggest customer for the 1940s and 50s to give scale.
people were up all night -people drank 24/7 and fought 24/7 --there were no miner priests or teachers .
everyone who was not a miner was a parasite on the miners in one shape or other --in reality and seen as such and were the enemy .
during a long miners strike which lasted over 6 months the miners sunk bell pits in the corners of farmers fields and mined coal near the surface and sold it to provide food for their families and they brewed poteen themselves and the public responded by buying the coal for cash and the farmers knew this was a battle for survival by the native Irish against English military owners of the mine the Wandesfords and they remained silent naturally .
the last resort by the Wandesfords was to crush the strike using the Catholic church -- assisted by the local politicians / media who despised the miners and their openly communist leader Nixy Boran .
who founded a miners co operative/soviet which employed 23 at its height selling flour salt butter all the essentials at WHOLESALE to miners families who had shares in the soviet .
this of course drove all shopkeepers insane in the 3 counties surrounding the mine as it exposed them naked .
you always knew a true witness to what happened as they would place their two hands forward outstretched to mimic the bishop who went through the town which had the streets lined with people to witness the passage of the bishop with both hands outstretched on his upright cane while he looked straight ahead and ignored the thousands of people intently looking at him.
he reached Monenroe church -home of the soviet and the core of the strikers and it was announced in the weeks previous he was going to excommunicate the commune--- ists as they were locally known as as people had no working knowledge of either socialism or the catholic faith both were a mystery to them in reality .
the church was packed to the gills and a great deal of poteen had been consumed to fortify for the immanent journey to hell as announced previously .
the bishop took a considered look at his audience who smelled of 100 proof poteen and who regarded him as an paid oppressor and he panicked and ran suddenly from the pulpit -- as he suddenly correctly formed the view the ordinary would/could send him to hell also.
this was the end of the strike and the miners correctly formed the view they had beaten the establishment and it reinforced their /our/local view the church was a establishment parasite which openly despised them and their struggle .
(and the bishop responded by stealing over 250,000 gathered from the locals/miners/parish to refurbish the local church)
the miners were a formidable physical force in reality.
and spent their days on their side deep underground mining a coal seam which was never more than 24 inches high and who had to wear string on the bottom of their trousers to prevent the thousands of fearless rats from journeying up the legs of their trousers.
the miners were not working class they were several rungs below working class they were MINING CLASS which is a totally different animal.
this was my childhood where the church was seen as the establishment /parasites/not fully or even partially involved with mining culture or openly Sympatico with it .
from this perspective of the ORDINARY you are a literate/ educated/intelligent thoughtful person who belong to a foreign elite class of people such as the doctor or solicitor/teacher who DID use their leather bound missals during mass and could speed read in two languages.
the ordinary self imposed a destructive discipline on themselves to separate them from this practice of who they regarded as parasites at great personal cost to themselves and their families.
even though Latin is a modus opperandi in our medical and legal lives and terminology I agree it is a dead language in general terms and as such it should be allowed its undisturbed grave -to resurrect it for incomprehensible use amongst the ordinary is not a positive for them as they are not an intellectual elite like yourself and over 50% of americans and others do not read a book generally. .
the meaning of prayer is not universal in my experience and women in particular tailor prayer to meet their current familial needs /fears and always naturally in their local language as how otherwise do they implore god with the required eloquence /passion to make him hear the prayer .
I am not being critical but from the depths of a rat infested mine I speak broken foul mouthed English from an place which its dust prevents you from seeing your fellow man from more than 3 feet away --and you expect me to allow the luxury of a dead language into my life to luxuriate in the intellectual ecstasy of using the spare mental horsepower not required for dealing with the rats in YOUR MINE .
this bridge cannot be crossed by the ordinary -it is too far to journey for them and me who ultimately must in Christian faith side with them .
what escapes the catholic church is that it is currently opposed to christ and his teaching -- he would be imprisoned or killed today quicker than he was killed then .
in the UK today Palestine action people in wheel chairs are thrown in jail for merely holding a sign protesting the slaughter of Christ's people in his holy land .
christ was opposed to usury -why does the church have several banks laundering Billions of drug money for the drug cartels /murderers of the common people --
polish pope john paul praised the utterly corrupt and criminal vatican minister of finance ( archbishop Marchinkus )who had 15 FBI sample arrest warrants issued against him -- and stated he was a hero for the church and the church could not do its GOOD works without his EXPERTISE .
what is wrong with the present church is its lack of true Christianity -if it had the true radical Christ led principles it would require at least 4 times the present churches it has to cope with TRUE BELIEVERS IN CHRIST .
imagine a world without war / central banks / usury / where the trillions spent on bullshit DEFENCE now belonged to the people .
what a glorious peaceful wealthy life we would have .
you have to accept that whenever true christian leaders emerged they were executed by the establishment who included the supplicant and silent catholic/protestant/ methodist/jewish /muslim churches .
when Christ returns he better be wearing body armour and be well armed as we are currently very visibly ruled by the worshippers of the golden calf .

 

[Diarmuid]

That mining village wasn't Arigna, was it?

 

[BIG FAT HOOR]

That mining village wasn't Arigna, was it?

Castlecomer co Kilkenny .
in 1932 in order to remove the ground from general Mulcachy of blue shirt fame ,
Dev promised a 2 week survey of the country to establish how many communists were truly ready to take over in the generals frequent warnings and demands for a REAL government ABLE to deal with the imminent threat .
Dev duly reported to the Dail that there were only 2 communist cells in Ireland .
one in Castlecomer co Kilkenny and the other in Kilkeel co Clare .
Limerick had a soviet also and they got as far as printing their own currency but Dev remained silent re this .
Nixy Boran was a great character and went to Moscow each year and persuaded the communist party to print him thousands of post cards which he designed with WORLD COMMUNIST HEADQUARTERS MOSKOW in large red caps on the rear and the kremlin and a big hammer and sickle and red star on the front .
this was sent to every bishop and clergy in Ireland and each judge and TD and minister with the really humorous but sincere wish .
FROM YOUR DEAR FRIEND NIXY --WISH YOU WERE HERE . NIXY
This of course was examined and discussed openly in every post office and postmen would let it fall and be read widely before being delivered as everyone who received knew .
Nixy was arrested off our bus each year by no less than 4 guards on the Kilkenny border in full view of the passengers and assembled supporters who knew the day and hour he would be arrested and this delighted Nixy and spread his fame far and wide .
We live in timid humourless times .

 

[Diarmuid]

Was Nixy arrested after his annual trip to Moscow? When did he stop going to Moscow? Did he ever reconsider his support?

Interesting that the state would allow the delivery of all those communist postcards. Would they deliver hundreds of postacrds today, if they openly mocked Jews or Nigerians? It would be worth a try.

It seems we had more freedom of speech back in the bad old days.

Dev was covering up when he said there were only two communist cells in Ireland. And sure Dev did business with the Communists in 1920 in the US. He gave them money meant for the Irish cause and took some diamond necklace as security.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Castlecomer co Kilkenny .
in 1932 in order to remove the ground from general Mulcachy of blue shirt fame ,
Dev promised a 2 week survey of the country to establish how many communists were truly ready to take over in the generals frequent warnings and demands for a REAL government ABLE to deal with the imminent threat .
Dev duly reported to the Dail that there were only 2 communist cells in Ireland .
one in Castlecomer co Kilkenny and the other in Kilkeel co Clare .
Limerick had a soviet also and they got as far as printing their own currency but Dev remained silent re this .
Nixy Boran was a great character and went to Moscow each year and persuaded the communist party to print him thousands of post cards which he designed with WORLD COMMUNIST HEADQUARTERS MOSKOW in large red caps on the rear and the kremlin and a big hammer and sickle and red star on the front .
this was sent to every bishop and clergy in Ireland and each judge and TD and minister with the really humorous but sincere wish .
FROM YOUR DEAR FRIEND NIXY --WISH YOU WERE HERE . NIXY
This of course was examined and discussed openly in every post office and postmen would let it fall and be read widely before being delivered as everyone who received knew .
Nixy was arrested off our bus each year by no less than 4 guards on the Kilkenny border in full view of the passengers and assembled supporters who knew the day and hour he would be arrested and this delighted Nixy and spread his fame far and wide .
We live in timid humourless times .

Kilkeel seems somewhat innocent and sleepy, an unlikely centre of communist ferment and discontent, but there you go, we live and learn!

 

[Diarmuid]

Wow. Jewish soldiers take time out from killing people in the Leb to smash up a statue of Jesus.

They must still really resent the time JC whipped their ancestor's backsides in the temple. Lighten up, all you Jews!

Bibi has apologised!!! He never apologises when they kill people, rape dogs and eat babies. Why is he apologising for a statue?

This will be very hard to explain even to the "Christian" Zionists...




View: https://t.me/Catholicarena/7989

 

[BIG FAT HOOR]

Was Nixy arrested after his annual trip to Moscow? When did he stop going to Moscow? Did he ever reconsider his support?

Interesting that the state would allow the delivery of all those communist postcards. Would they deliver hundreds of postacrds today, if they openly mocked Jews or Nigerians? It would be worth a try.

It seems we had more freedom of speech back in the bad old days.

Dev was covering up when he said there were only two communist cells in Ireland. And sure Dev did business with the Communists in 1920 in the US. He gave them money meant for the Irish cause and took some diamond necklace as security.

Dev received a fortune while in america and part -a large part of those funds were destined for an Republican newspaper -- THE IRISH PRESS which suddenly became the PERSONAL property of the De Valera family and as you will remember the famous editor Major Vivian de Valera .
Nixy Boran went to Russia with Michael o Reirdoin the longest serving head of a communist party in the world who was the only person to have met all the Russian heads of state including Stalin as he was in office in Ireland for over 50 years .
i will find out more when i have time all the best.

 

[Diarmuid]

The women of Ireland are rejecting all that contraceptive nonsense and going with the rhythm method, according to "fertility coach" Helena Tubriddy on Jewstalk FM.

Evil Helena is angry about all the "misinformation" about the dangers of the pill, and compared it to the anti-vax sentiment. Apparently, the majority of women don't want the pill or the stupid condoms. They naturally prefer to use the natural rhythm of their bodies.

They have been pushing contraception since the 60s. They have lost.

The Catholics were right all along.

 

[BIG FAT HOOR]

Was Nixy arrested after his annual trip to Moscow? When did he stop going to Moscow? Did he ever reconsider his support?

Interesting that the state would allow the delivery of all those communist postcards. Would they deliver hundreds of postacrds today, if they openly mocked Jews or Nigerians? It would be worth a try.

It seems we had more freedom of speech back in the bad old days.

Dev was covering up when he said there were only two communist cells in Ireland. And sure Dev did business with the Communists in 1920 in the US. He gave them money meant for the Irish cause and took some diamond necklace as security.

Some more info as promised .
one item if i can load it is written by Nixys daughter PROF ANNE BORAN and would he not be proud of her and she wrote the book CHALLENGE TO POWER the story of Nixys life . ((( i tried to load this and also Geoff Rose Nixy Boran Kilkenny archaeological soc ))) but my computer cannot load these files .
you can research his life through the many pages on line and there is a video also . I MANAGED TO LOAD A PICTURE OF HIM WITH DEV
he is a remarkable figure once sentenced to death in Clonmel jail and who escaped and his battles with the catholic church are epic and include getting protection to attend mass and having to build their own hall to have a meeting as the church controlled all the halls rigidly .
These two entries will give you a clue and i know you will read further and this topic is about the catholic church and it shows the fangs of the church when
disturbed .

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

The women of Ireland are rejecting all that contraceptive nonsense and going with the rhythm method, according to "fertility coach" Helena Tubriddy on Jewstalk FM.

Her brother's a faggot. Why doesn't she work on him

 

[Diarmuid]

Hmmm. Dev wasn't such a good Catholic after all.
Did the state give him protection to attend Mass? But if he was a real communist he wouldn't be going to Mass at all, except possibly as an infiltrator.


Slightly off topic, but did you know that the Israelis named a forest in Israel after dear ol'Dev?

 

[scolairebocht]

Just in reply to the question of the Castlecomer miners.

In this Communist state we have absolutely endless recycled stories about how oppressive the Catholic Church is supposed to have been, but a lot of the time they are referring to a very mild remark made here or there, and not real oppression? Not on the scale for example of Communism in Russia or all over the world, which massacred countless people and with respect to which it makes sense for Church leaders to warn about?

For example the classic instance of Church oppression in Ireland, usually given, is certainly the Mother and Child controversy of about 1950, but if you actually read the correspondence between the state and the Church then, it was only a few mild objections, politely phrased, that the Church articulated, oppression it wasn’t?

Anyway many of those miners were very religious, as you can see in this picture, and the other one is a Marian statue from the mines at Rossmore, not far from Carlow town, where some of the Castlecomer miners worked.

 

[Diarmuid]

The worst thing the Church did was the homosexual rape network. Of course, the State was complicit also, and that network is now thriving in non-Catholic organisations. Apart from that they did very little harm. A few hurty words now and then.

People who quarreled publicly with the Church could survive quite well in Ireland, as this story shows. In total contrast, if you quarreled with the Communist party, even discretely, behind closed doors, you could land in a camp for years. Or they could just kill you.

Story from the mining village of Arigna. Local boy comes back after years abroad and he has a woman to whom he was not married living in his house. The priest made some remarks from the pulpit about this.

After the Mass, the man asks his neighbours to wait until the priest came out. In front of everybody, he says to the priest: "When you put the woman out of your house, I'll put the woman out of my house."

And they all lived happily ever after. So it amounted to a few hurty words.

One of the things I've noticed is how enthusiastic the MSM/politicians/judges are to mock the idea of God in general and the Christian and Catholic versions in particular.

 

[BIG FAT HOOR]

Just in reply to the question of the Castlecomer miners.

In this Communist state we have absolutely endless recycled stories about how oppressive the Catholic Church is supposed to have been, but a lot of the time they are referring to a very mild remark made here or there, and not real oppression? Not on the scale for example of Communism in Russia or all over the world, which massacred countless people and with respect to which it makes sense for Church leaders to warn about?

For example the classic instance of Church oppression in Ireland, usually given, is certainly the Mother and Child controversy of about 1950, but if you actually read the correspondence between the state and the Church then, it was only a few mild objections, politely phrased, that the Church articulated, oppression it wasn’t?

Anyway many of those miners were very religious, as you can see in this picture, and the other one is a Marian statue from the mines at Rossmore, not far from Carlow town, where some of the Castlecomer miners worked.
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The painting hangs in Castlecomer church and was painted by a pal of mine Eugene Conway RHA .
Scolair you may think i am on a mission here to destroy the catholic church -- it does all that without any input from me .
i do not wish to destroy it and i tolerate it pending its conversion to Christianity.
when you read even 3 pages on line about the life of Nixy Boran it tells a story of what the church did to very ordinary people .
some of what they did would have you arrested today .
you have to understand that amongst my many and varied experiences of the church ,
i served mass to a known and confirmed in the Irish courts as a uniquely evil monster responsible for many deaths in Ireland and abroad .
his name was fr McNamara -- when Imelda Riney and her son Liam and fr Joe Walsh were shot and killed by Brendan o Donnell in a wood in co Clare it was because HE was being and was historically raped by fr McNamara and driven insane and true to his evil nature,
he persuaded o Donnell since he had driven him insane he was the only person who understood his insanity and therefore was the only one that could give him what he desperately craved more than anything in the world-- his sanity and this meant he had to allow contact between them.
some of my very young friends who had one or mentally impaired/drinkers /unwell parents,
were then identified as vulnerable and abused to the point of insanity and they spent their lives in absolute chaos in an out of st Canices all their lives --losing their marriages and then their kids and their homes -- and then their lives .
i and several people in business in the locality gave evidence to support our school friends who were unable to articulate what happened to them .
one of us who gave evidence was present when his father who was the most prominent businessman in the town brought him to the bishop and demanded the bishop tell his son he did no wrong while the priest abused him --the bishop would not do so and the court heard that this businessman called him a cunt a demon every name a Irishman could call another -- he described the bishop to his face as an evil entity .
present while this evidence was related was the west of Ireland RTE reporter Jim Fahey -- who reported on the killings in the woods ------
he met us afterwards and asked again the name of the bishop as he had asked each bishop in turn at a conference in Maynooth did they have a prior knowledge of ODonnels abuser fr McNamara and with a camera on them and recorded sound they all denied they had any prior experience/knowledge of the criminal nature of McNamara .
so you see scolair i then went from the frying pan to the fire when i was sent to the monastic settlement De la Salle college in Waterford for 5 years where the order tried to make obedient clones of us and failed miserably .
I sat beside other 12 year olds who 160 of them were living in Faithligg house the De la Salle seminary .
they wore full length soutaines to the floor and a collar at 12 years old and had a absolute shit life --living constantly in fear of the brothers and their own families who had persuaded/indoctrinated a duty into them to follow the tradition,
and provide a well educated and well connected defender of the family as they could not do this from their own resources .
every where i looked i saw oppression /control/violence -a lot of violence /shouting using only surnames and jeered and sneered at -it was horrible.
the top floor/attic room A GIANT ROOM slept 99 in one room and it had a bedroom attached for a supervising brother a young man in his 20s who cried himself to sleep each night and his sobbing lasted for hours .
it toughened us up and prepared us for prison life as it was the closest institution to our existence .
its not that i am unfriendly to the church its the church has not been friendly to me .
i have met remarkable priests in my life and cardinal Hume of London was a remarkable man it was he who took the bitterness from me when he was interviewed by a crass BBC reporter who sneered and mockingly asked him at the time of the popes death
MY LORD CARDINAL HAVE YOU ANY AMBITION? -
there was a moments pause and he replied .
""I HAVE AN AMBITION TO DIE A CHRISTIAN "" this floored the crass BBC and me also as it showed you could be not alone a cardinal but a pope and yet not be a christian.
i thought deeply about this which i only heard by accident and it changed my life .
my cousin Fr Michael Keaveney who we buried in Moville last year had many accomplishments which i posted before but i forgot to mention he as a teacher in St Columbs derry for 25 years was unique in having 2 of his pupils receive Nobel prizes .
John Hume and Seamus Heaney .
i have know many religious who are members of my own family and my wife's,
they are truly devoted to god and have served god all of their hard lives and those that are alive seem to have found a new engine and are constantly working caring for others into their 80s with an ever increasing fearless smile .
these are also the catholic church but they do not seem to be valued by the church and many bishops do not keep in touch with retired priests .
the highlight of a priests funeral is the TE DEUM sung with emotion by his fellow priests around his grave as a very personal goodbye in Latin and i have sometimes detected a little rage against the gods when this is done -- as there should be .

 

[Diarmuid]

i do not wish to destroy it and i tolerate it pending its conversion to Christianity.

Iontach greannmhar, grma.

That McNamara character sounds like one of the communist/masonic infiltrators that were coming into the church in the 1930s. The state must have been protecting him as well. What happened to him in the end?

 

[BIG FAT HOOR]

Iontach greannmhar, grma.

That McNamara character sounds like one of the communist/masonic infiltrators that were coming into the church in the 1930s. The state must have been protecting him as well. What happened to him in the end?

He was informed his arrest would take place in 2 days time and it appears he had a heart attack .
the invistagation was thorough as it should be but very lengthy .
i read a book about o Donnell and it is stated in it the government paid for 2 social workers to stay with o Donnell in st patricks and to get the truth out of him .
this took 2 years and they did get the truth of what happened and then o Donnell died of a heart attack .
it is stated he worshiped Imelda Riney who was very beautiful and an artist and would look kindly on anyone .
locals knew about o Donnell and he had shot up a local house when he was young with a rifle and was known to be highly dangerous .
Imelda being a stranger looked kindly and said hello .
he treasured being treated like a normal person and a malicious busybody persuaded the local curate FR Joe Walsh that there was a sexual element to o Donnell and Imelda with her young son present and o Donnell had been seen following them on their walk in the woods .
the priest was persuaded to go and save the child from witnessing something and when o Donnell saw the white collar approaching in the wood he flipped and thought it was McNamara who he knew was evil enough to destroy any friendship he had with the only person who did not recoil from him .
he killed fr Walsh in front of Imelda and her child and then seeing her face he shot her and her child as all was lost .
McNamara got off Scot free protected by the church to the end.

 

[BIG FAT HOOR]

The worst thing the Church did was the homosexual rape network. Of course, the State was complicit also, and that network is now thriving in non-Catholic organisations. Apart from that they did very little harm. A few hurty words now and then.

People who quarreled publicly with the Church could survive quite well in Ireland, as this story shows. In total contrast, if you quarreled with the Communist party, even discretely, behind closed doors, you could land in a camp for years. Or they could just kill you.

Story from the mining village of Arigna. Local boy comes back after years abroad and he has a woman to whom he was not married living in his house. The priest made some remarks from the pulpit about this.

After the Mass, the man asks his neighbours to wait until the priest came out. In front of everybody, he says to the priest: "When you put the woman out of your house, I'll put the woman out of my house."

And they all lived happily ever after. So it amounted to a few hurty words.

One of the things I've noticed is how enthusiastic the MSM/politicians/judges are to mock the idea of God in general and the Christian and Catholic versions in particular.

Leitrim is a deceptive place --you initially think this is the sleepiest few acres of bog in Ireland with a river running through it and a startled rabbit or crow is the most excitement you will see all day .
And you go to the local post office and you find out it is an IRA stronghold /safe house /admin center .
you go down a true boreen to find artists writers galore .
true rebels of the church are commonplace and greeted with a knowing smile by all as the person wears their heart on their sleeve and there is not an millimeter of deception about them--their lives are by their own hand an open book and they are therefore not a threat to man or child .
you quickly find yourself out of you depth using common Kilkenny deviousness which passes for sincere interaction with your fellow man .
Leitrim is on another level and they are patient and seem asleep however rope is being played out slowly and this makes very little noise until you find yourself trussed up by your own hand with the room looking at you awakening in ""sleepy Leitrim""

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Diarmuíd do you know Michael Harding?

 

[Diarmuid]

BFH: You can tell a story in few sentences. Your book will be an excellent read.

Catholic teachings are not the problem, it is the administrators that are the problem.

McNamara wasn't just protected by the administrators of the church. He was protected by the State. What other evil was he up to during his life?

When you were in his presence, did you notice anything odd?

Wasn't there a priest murdered in the house of a rich man and nobody was ever prosecuted for it?

Myles, I know of Michael Harding and have heard him talk. He mentioned an angry sermon he gave at the funeral of a man who died in a stupid tractor accident. The man left the tractor running while he got off to open a gate and was killed by his own tractor. Harding lashed the dead man for his stupidity in the funeral sermon. Quite rightly.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Wasn't there a priest murdered in the house of a rich man and nobody was ever prosecuted for it?

Yeah down the midlands although I think he was originally a Rossy.

Gemma done an investigation on it and concluded it was a cover up.

Myles, I know of Michael Harding and have heard him talk. He mentioned an angry sermon he gave at the funeral of a man who died in a stupid tractor accident. The man left the tractor running while he got off to open a gate and was killed by his own tractor. Harding lashed the dead man for his stupidity in the funeral sermon. Quite rightly.

 

[Mad as Fish]

BFH: You can tell a story in few sentences. Your book will be an excellent read.

Catholic teachings are not the problem, it is the administrators that are the problem.

McNamara wasn't just protected by the administrators of the church. He was protected by the State. What other evil was he up to during his life?

When you were in his presence, did you notice anything odd?

Wasn't there a priest murdered in the house of a rich man and nobody was ever prosecuted for it?

Myles, I know of Michael Harding and have heard him talk. He mentioned an angry sermon he gave at the funeral of a man who died in a stupid tractor accident. The man left the tractor running while he got off to open a gate and was killed by his own tractor. Harding lashed the dead man for his stupidity in the funeral sermon. Quite rightly.

We are all stupid at times, usually we get away with it, tragically, sometimes we don't.

Are priests above this facet of humanity?

 

[BIG FAT HOOR]

BFH: You can tell a story in few sentences. Your book will be an excellent read.

Catholic teachings are not the problem, it is the administrators that are the problem.

McNamara wasn't just protected by the administrators of the church. He was protected by the State. What other evil was he up to during his life?

When you were in his presence, did you notice anything odd?

Wasn't there a priest murdered in the house of a rich man and nobody was ever prosecuted for it?

Myles, I know of Michael Harding and have heard him talk. He mentioned an angry sermon he gave at the funeral of a man who died in a stupid tractor accident. The man left the tractor running while he got off to open a gate and was killed by his own tractor. Harding lashed the dead man for his stupidity in the funeral sermon. Quite rightly.

i was 10 and had no knowlege of peadophiles nor of any other philes we knew he was dangerous but did not know why .
he made a grab for me in the graveyard one day and he slipped on the grass --something told me to run and i did -i had no knowledge why i should run and i did not dwell on it until years later when we realized what he was .
friends of mine were destroyed and did not know a moments peace in their lives .
when you are poor you are medicated when you have money you are spoken to and fixed usually .
all my friends were medicated into zombies with side effects and dependancy and a complete loss of confidence and free will --they went about in a fog and treasured a chat with a schoolfriend .
which sometimes was possible and sometimes too intense to handle.
their lives were destroyed -all of their lives were destroyed --every day every hour until they died in true misery .
i do not blame god but we were told when we were young---- that priests are selected by god to be priests -- i am glad we were told so many lies as it is easier to figure things out when you know its a pack of lies generally anything to do with the status of the ROMAN CHURCH .

 

[Diarmuid]

all my friends were medicated into zombies

The same is happening right now. But the drugs are being dished out by atheists and darkies.

Dr Omar in Castlereagh prison is pushing "sleeping pills" as a solution for any illness or concern you have. In Kerry, a bad darkie doctor was turning the kids into zombies. Then a good darkie, Dr Ankhur Sharma, discovered this and blew the whistle. The HSE admitted it, but punished the good darkie doctor.

The poor chap has gone mad: He is trading as a female "Maya" and is homeless in London.

One of the reasons the evil people abuse children is to mould their personality and control the child as it grows. There is a whole deranged science behind it.
How do we stop it happening now?


Separately, Alan Nyland (?) of Catholic Education was very funny about Catholic schools.

Opinion polls supposedly show 40% of parents want non-Catholic education. Alan says the church is happy to divest from any school where the majority of parents vote for it. But it seems that in almost every school where it is suggested, the parents vote by much MORE than 60% in favour of being faithful to the faith of our fathers.

Richard Bruton passed a law that forbid Catholic schools - but only Catholic - from priortising Catholic children for entry to the school. The Jew, the Hindoo, the Muslim, the atheist and even the blackest Prod can prioritise their own for their own schools. But not the Taig.

Something doesn't add up.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

i was 10 and had no knowlege of peadophiles nor of any other philes we knew he was dangerous but did not know why . he made a grab for me in the graveyard one day and he slipped on the grass --something told me to run and i did -i had no knowledge why i should run and i did not dwell on it until years later when we realized what he was .friends of mine were destroyed and did not know a moments peace in their lives . when you are poor you are medicated when you have money you are spoken to and fixed usually . all my friends were medicated into zombies with side effects and dependancy and a complete loss of confidence and free will --they went about in a fog and treasured a chat with a schoolfriend .which sometimes was possible and sometimes too intense to handle.their lives were destroyed -all of their lives were destroyed --every day every hour until they died in true misery .i do not blame god but we were told when we were young---- that priests are selected by god to be priests -- i am glad we were told so many lies as it is easier to figure things out when you know its a pack of lies generally anything to do with the status of the ROMAN CHURCH .

It makes me extremely angry when I hear Bocht trivialising the evil his organisation visited upon children.

How very dare he

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Dr Ankhur Sharma blew the whistle. The poor chap has gone mad: He is trading as a female "Maya" .

 

[Diarmuid]

It makes me extremely angry when I hear Bocht trivialising the evil his organisation visited upon children.

How very dare he

Rameis. Nonsense.

He does not trivialise it. He recognises it as the work of Judaeo -masonic infiltrators who have -since at least 1780 - been provably infiltrating the church. Bella Dodd testified that she was involved in recruiting a thousand communists to infiltrate the catholic priesthood in the 1930s. That's just stateside. Probably the same, or even worse, in Europe.

Any priest messing with the kids is obviously not following the strict instructions from JC.

This McNamara "priest" and the complicit and cowardly bishops who protected him are just the local expression of that conspiracy. All the political parties, the cops, judges, heroic journalists, etc all also colluded, then as now.

 

[Diarmuid]

MSM reported that just in the Special Emergency Accomodation that Tusla provides, a dozen children were murdered in the last twelve years. That is not counting the missing and that is not counting other Tusla children's accomodation.

The Father McNamara of today is working in the HSE or the Irish Slimes or the Green SFFG UniParty.

Andrew Jackson said it to the bankers in 1814: "You are a nest of vipers. I intend to root you out and by God I will root you out."

He did too. But we have to do it again.

Every shoulder to the wheel.