John McGuirk sacked/resigned as editor of Gript

[Tiger]

A child born in Ireland from scotish parents is Scotch. I child born from Somali parents is Somali. And if both went home at say age 2, nobody would ever refer to them again as Irish . It is not rocket science.


If an Irish couple went to Somalia, working for the UN for example. Nobody would say that child was Somali, ever

Exactly.

A mate of mine was born in Hong Kong because his parents happen to be working there at the time. It would be farcical to consider him to be Chinese

Chinese people would certainly not consider him to be Chinese either.

 

[Declan]

Yes Tiger, the brainless gas lighting no longer works, people are now willing to call a spade a spade.

Of the galway west byelection was 2 weeks later, Thomas would be elected. The next beheading will wake more up

 

[The Equalizer]

Lets recap.

"Okay, say there was a carbon copy of Adeleke, born of two Nigerian parents in Dublin, grew up in Tallaght, went to the same school, spoke with the same accent, yada, yada.. but minus the sporting achievements and was unemployed. Would you consider that person not to be Irish? Of course you wouldn't. Say there was a carbon copy of that person, who's a white Irish person, would you consider between the two of them one to be more or less Irish than the other? "

I said:
"I'd consider both your examples to be Irish."

I know you did.

I want you to finish answering my question (before I answer yours) - Is any one of those examples more or less Irish than another??

Now, would you consider a kid born and raised in Dublin, from two white Scots parents, to be Irish?

 

[Haven]

I know you did.

I want you to finish answering my question (before I answer yours) - Is any one of those examples more or less Irish than another??

There is no such thing as more or less Irish here - in your example both are born and raised in Ireland.

Over to you.

 

[Wolf]

The establishment says that people with an Irish passport are Irish.
Perverted establishment bootlickers must push the establishment line.
There's no discussion here, just bootlicking.

The thread is about John Mcguirk being sacked and once again the disrupter/contrarian in chief has dragged another one down one of its stupid fucking rabbit holes.
Ya gotta laugh.

 

[The Equalizer]

There is no such thing as more or less Irish

Correct

here - in your example both are born and raised in Ireland.

My "example" has THREE people in it! -

1. Aedeleke
2. A carbon copy of Aedeleke - minus the sporting achievement, unemployed
3. A white Irish carbon copy of #2

Can you say whether you think that all three are equally Irish, or not. How many times, and ways, do you have to be asked the same fucken question

Over to you.

 

[Haven]

Correct


My "example" has THREE people in it! -

1. Aedeleke
2. A carbon copy of Aedeleke - minus the sporting achievement, unemployed
3. A white Irish carbon copy of #2

Can you say whether you think that all three are equally Irish, or not. How many times, and ways, do you have to be asked the same fucken question

No. You asked about "there was a carbon copy of Adeleke..... but minus the sporting achievements and was unemployed" and "a carbon copy of that person, who's a white Irish person".

Thats two.

But ok.

All 3 are Irish.

Over to you.

 

[The Equalizer]

No. You asked about "there was a carbon copy of Adeleke..... but minus the sporting achievements and was unemployed" and "a carbon copy of that person, who's a white Irish person".

Thats two.

But ok.

All 3 are Irish.

Over to you.

This is unbelievable, and why everyone thinks you're a troll.. Here it is again -

Can you say whether you think that all three are equally Irish, or not?

 

[Haven]

This is unbelievable, and why everyone thinks you're a troll.. Here it is again -

Can you say whether you think that all three are equally Irish, or not?

There is no such thing as more or less Irish here - in your example all are born and raised in Ireland.

 

[The Equalizer]

There is no such thing as more or less Irish here - in your example all are born and raised in Ireland.

What does "here" mean?

Are you saying that - in your view, all three are equally Irish? Yes or no, or stop wasting everyone's time, troll

 

[Roc.]

>Africans still building mud huts in the 21st century were building Newgrange in Ireland 5,000 years ago.

Er, I don't think you're making the argument you seem to think you're making here:


View: https://www.facebook.com/Irishfarmingvideos/videos/irish-peasant-dwelling/1431877873594728/

(Noting the above is from a mere hundred years ago, or the blink of an eye in the evolutionary theory that white supremacists love to try and manipulate to serve their dogma).

Link us up with that ample evidence that the builders of Newgrange were dark skinned with African DNA. Is it based on this inbred fella? 'He was likely inbred, therefore he must have been an Egyptian pharaoh' is their reasoning. And you've extrapolated that fallacious logic to suggest the builders were African.

Newgrange tomb body belonged to royal-like male ‘born of incest’

Trinity College Dublin researchers use DNA sequencing to shed light on ancient culture

www.irishtimes.com

News - New Study Refutes Previous Claims About Neolithic Ireland - Archaeology Magazine

NEWGRANGE, IRELAND—A DNA study of human remains found within the 5,500-year-old Newgrange passage tomb caused […]

archaeology.org

No, not based on that fella.

I was actually referring to the DNA studies done on present day Irish DNA that connected up with the Neolithic academic investigations. E.g.

Irish DNA originated in Middle East and eastern Europe

Genome analysis shows mass migration of Stone Age farmers from Fertile Crescent and Bronze Age settlers from eastern Europe was foundation of Celtic population

www.theguardian.com

The tracing of the shrew: why Celtic DNA leads back to Africa

ANOTHER LIFE: THERE COMES A DAY in May – not, surely, always the same one – when a calm blue sea beneath a sunny sky conjures…

web.archive.org

Also not forgetting those wonderful documentaries from Bob Quinn he made back in 1981 (he wasn't looking at DNA but at the surprising similarities not only in our respective cultural traditions, but also amazing the similarities to be found in neolithic artifacts uncovered here and the middle ewast and Africa).

Watch Atlantean Quartet Online | Vimeo On Demand

The Atlantean films show that the island of Ireland was never a remote outpost on the fringes of Europe. From the hunters and fishermen of the megalithic age, then the Carthaginians of the 1st Milennium to the crooked investors, carpetbaggers and drug smugglers of the modern age, from Eastern...

vimeo.com

 

[Haven]

What does "here" mean?

Are you saying that - in your view, all three are equally Irish? Yes or no, or stop wasting everyone's time, troll

From the example/question you fucking asked.

They are Irish. Full stop.

You are trying to goad me into agreeing a point about some people being less or more Irish than others when they are born and raised in Ireland. The question doesnt arise.

We can debate this about children born to Irish people in, say, the UK....and other scenarios.

But my answer stands. Stop fucking about.

 

[The Equalizer]

From the example/question you fucking asked.

They are Irish. Full stop.

You are trying to goad me into agreeing a point about some people being less or more Irish than others when they are born and raised in Ireland. The question doesnt arise.

We can debate this about children born to Irish people in, say, the UK....and other scenarios.

But my answer stands. Stop fucking about.

How the f*ck I am I trying to "goad" you?

It's you, or your fellow buffon - John McGuirk, who introduced the idea of being more (and by inference - less) Irish. And now you can't back it up, you won't even try to.

 

[Haven]

How the f*ck I am I trying to "goad" you?

It's you, or your fellow buffon - John McGuirk, who introduced the idea of being more (and by inference - less) Irish. And now you can't back it up, you won't even try to.

I have backed it up. I have told you exactly what I think. The idea of "more or less or equal" for your example is a red herring.

You just didnt get the answer you were trying to engineer.

McGuirk said...

"Nobody likes, or will ever like, the sad case in the corner attacking success. Ethnonationalism is an assault on fairness as well as logic: The idea that some layabout is “more Irish” than a successful athlete despite having contributed nothing to the nation, while the athlete he decries has contributed sporting success, strikes most people as a nonsense. A nonsense that’s the preserve of the entitled layabout, at that."

Read it again.

 

[The Equalizer]

I have backed it up.

I'm sorry, what?

You've backed up the idea that a Nigerian who can run fast or has a job is more Irish than an Irish "layabout"?!

Where, when did that happen?

I have told you exactly what I think. The idea of "more or less or equal" for your example is a red herring.

You just didnt get the answer you were trying to engineer.

McGuirk said...

"Nobody likes, or will ever like, the sad case in the corner attacking success. Ethnonationalism is an assault on fairness as well as logic: The idea that some layabout is “more Irish” than a successful athlete despite having contributed nothing to the nation, while the athlete he decries has contributed sporting success, strikes most people as a nonsense. A nonsense that’s the preserve of the entitled layabout, at that."

Read it again.

 

[Haven]

I'm sorry, what?

You've backed up the idea that a Nigerian who can run fast or has a job is more Irish than an Irish "layabout"?!

Where, when did that happen?

McGuirk never says in his article that a Nigerian who can run fast or has a job is more Irish than an Irish "layabout".

 

[The Equalizer]

McGuirk never says in his article that a Nigerian who can run fast or has a job is more Irish than an Irish "layabout".

Is that because you can't read between the lines?

This is your last chance (make the most of it) -

Do YOU think that Adeleke is more Irish than anyone else Irish on the planet, yes or no?

 

[Haven]

Is that because you can't read between the lines?

No. You fucked up. You tried to make a case on something that was never said by McGuirk.

This is your last chance (make the most of it) -
Do YOU think that Adeleke is more Irish than anyone else on the planet, yes or no?

Other than people born and raised in Ireland, she is more Irish than anyone else on the planet.

Now, answer my question.

 

[The Equalizer]

No. You fucked up. You tried to make a case on something that was never said by McGuirk.

Other than other people born and raised in Ireland, she is more Irish than anyone else on the planet.

Yes, I amended that..

Do YOU think that Adeleke is more Irish than anyone else Irish on the planet, yes or no?

Last chance, troll

 

[Haven]

Yes, I amended that..

Do YOU think that Adeleke is more Irish than anyone else Irish on the planet, yes or no?

Last chance, troll

So a brand new question!

Where do we start with this?

She is more Irish than someone born in Ireland to Irish parents who all then immediatly leave Ireland to settle permanently in, say, Australia.

Now, would you consider a kid born and raised in Dublin, from two white Scots parents, to be Irish?

 

[The Equalizer]

So a brand new question!

Hardly

An addition of a word (made within a minute) not least because you're all too predictable

Where do we start with this?

Let's end it with you being a dishonest troll

She is more Irish than someone born in Ireland to Irish parents who all then immediatly leave Ireland to settle permanently in, say, Australia.

Now, would you consider a kid born and raised in Dublin, from two white Scots parents, to be Irish?

 

[Haven]

Hardly

An addition of a word (made within a minute) not least because you're all too predictable


Let's end it with you being a dishonest troll

I literally answered your questions which were all based, we now know, on your false take from McGuirks article.

Which means all your questions were flawed. But i answered them anyway.

I just answered your last one too.

Now, would you consider a kid born and raised in Dublin, from two white Scots parents, to be Irish?

 

[The Equalizer]

No amount of sporting success will ever make an African person Irish. No amount of laying about will make an Irishman less Irish. To suggest a layabout Irishman is less Irish than an African, for sporting achievement or for any other reason, is absurd. "Contributing to the nation" doesn't make you Irish.

Of course it is.

And no one should think of McGuirk as a nationalist, if you think that McGuirk is a nationalist then you should also think that @Haven is.

And the sneering contempt he (McGuirk) has for the Irish working class should be recognisable by people like @Aldo3, yet I think he's a big fan..

 

[Declan]

The thread is about John Mcguirk being sacked and once again the disrupter/contrarian in chief has dragged another one down one of its stupid fucking rabbit holes.
Ya gotta laugh.

I agree, the three of them can now discuss it in a proper thread.