Fucking hell it's like dumb and dumber.
The point is not about seeing "all" the data.
Of course you can make data say anything you want.
Statistical data is dumb. It is essentially useless for understanding cause and effect.
The point is
the "causal model" that a person imposes on the data.
A white supremacist imposes
their causal model of blacks being innately violent and prone to crime etc.
A progressive imposes
their causal model of white on black systemic racism and deprivation driving homicide and crime rates etc.
Look again at the presented data that Jambo posted.
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See how the homicide rate markedly decreases much
faster for the black community with increasing income?
So rather than circle the two datapoints, as Jambo did, the progressive if he has some understanding of the reality behind the data is much more likely to show a graph like the above illustrating
how increasing income reduces the disparity in the figures much faster than increasing income does for white populations.
And they would probably show data alongside showing how much of those figures consist
black on black homicide (completely dwarfing the black on white homicide rates) - rather than deliberately rolling the two data sets into each other like the white supremacist does to try to "prove"
his proclaimed cause and effect.
And they would perhaps show yet another data set showing overall deprivation in black communities as against deprivation in white communities, highlighting
that correlation - to account for the initial diaparity in the above table at low incomes.
I.e. That would be another data set that explains
that.
For data-
interpreting requires a causal mode. Data alone is not enough. Never. What is at issue are
the mental models of causal structures underlying the data.
Also noting it is these
mental models that basically bind people together into different communities.
And in this regard you need to remember well the community that Jambo's mental models put him in. - Read the manifestos of all the American white supremacist killers. They all have the EXACT same mental models as Jambo. You want to take that fucking seriously.
In your ignorance you believe that you are reasoning to the good with someone like Jambo in asking him for his "data sources" etc. But it is the completely wrong question. And you know it is probably going to have the effect of removing yet more doubt from his mind, reinforcing his belief. An unitended consequence of your clumsy interventions.
I.e. Self-doubt is what stimulates someone to critical analysis and self analysis. Whereas Jambo has acquired habits of mind (and clearly some of it was and is constitutional) that imbues him with a feeling of
belief.
It is that degree of this
belief that will determine his future actions. Read Dylan Roof's manifesto again and see what degree of belief he had (that Jambo agreed on here was what he called "the truth").
So that is one of the reasons I sincerely advised you not to engage.
Statistical methods require a careful handling. You would seem no more capable of it than Jambo is.
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