The Climate Change scam

[valamhic]

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Cos I don't want to see them throw you in a cell with a big N!gger holding a tub of Vaseline.


(Even though last year you hoped an African Doctor would rape me in hospital)

I wont stand for that!

 

[valamhic]

Seriously, the climate change obsession has emboldened Putin, weakened the west, Germany is now
going to build a plant to make artillery shells. It will take years to get it up and running. The west shut
down its industry.

Half of a war effort is manufacture. No steel either. It was the most destructive ideology ever

 

[jpc]

Just a few words on the cattle slurry situation.

There are a 1,001 factors involved but I'll keep it simple. Ireland has an excellent climate for growing grass so we do, and we feed that grass to dairy and beef cattle. Grass is not nutrient dense so the animals eat a lot of it and therefore produce a lot of poop.

That poop is rich in microbes, in fact it is mostly microbes with some undigested fibre (lignin and cellulose) mixed in, along with a lot of water.

A lot of nitrogen that is fed to the grass to make it grow ends up in the poop. Mixing all that nitrogen into a watercourse will cause oxygen deprivation due to aerobic microbes feeding on it. Milk, BTW, has a far higher biological oxygen demand and is a far worse pollutant.

It is this lack of oxygen in the water that kills the fish.

Farmers are therefore obliged to collect the poop and dispose of it without it getting into watercourses. It is an excellent fertiliser and so spreading it back on the land is the best thing to do with it. This has been known since farming began.

However, it does need storing over the winter when cattle are housed and, TBH, most farmers haven't enough storage although they meet the legal requirements. When the ground is wet the slurry can run off the the fields into the rivers, but farmers run out of storage and have put it out just as soon as they legally can although conditions might not be suitable.

There is a general lack of storage because herd sizes have increased but not the facilities to deal with the waste. Slurry separation can help, but more storage is the real answer.

While in storage the microbes continue to break down the remaining solids and produce methane and other gasses in doing so. This mixture can be collected, purified and used as a fuel, and Agriland has covered this in the past, most farming media has.

However, it does take a big investment and the returns are variable so it has not caught on as much as certain interested parties might hope. New Holland are looking into it to fuel tractors and have pilot plants over in Cornwall, but it's motives might not be quite what they appear.

Central ADs (Anaerobic digestion plants) are a nonsensical idea as it means transporting crap miles rather than using it at source, and it is mainly water, and heaving water about pointlessly is not green by any standard.

That's the bones of it, but there is an awful lot of detail involved.

Congratulations.
You nailed every main point

 

[jpc]

Val, you are doing farming no favours at all.

That must be a wind up in the worst possible taste.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Its more water than that. You are right, it is methane gas that burns with oxygen to give off heat.

That depends.... There is slurry and there is soiled water/dairy washings and while Teagasc will tell you what to do with the soiled water it won't actually draw the line between it and slurry. Dairy washings are obviously very very thin slurry, but we are talking about the stuff that is collected from housing, either slatted or cubicle, and is stored in tanks under the slat s or conveyed to a lagoon. That is usually between 50-80% solids, which is not the same as dry matter.

 

[Mad as Fish]

We can spread chemical fertiliser instead.

Indeed you can. But, pray tell us, what is the point of buying in expensive chemical nitrogen fertiliser while tipping home produced organic nitrogen fertiliser into the river?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

We're you still in hospital or released

I was still in hospital Sir. I only learned of Val's malicious idea when I got out and logged in here.

I'm still having nightmares about a grinning African in a white coat saying he's going to examine my Áras

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Indeed you can. But, pray tell us, what is the point of buying in expensive chemical nitrogen fertiliser while tipping home produced organic nitrogen fertiliser into the river?

To be fair to the man its coming up out of the slatts with the rain we've had. He has nowhere to put it.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

When I typed slatts with just one 't' it came up as 'DS'

 

[Mad as Fish]

To be fair to the man its coming up out of the slatts with the rain we've had. He has nowhere to put it.

The government's/legal answer to that is that he should arrange for more storage or sell some cattle.

As noted earlier, herd sizes have increased but storage capacity has not kept pace. Although I believe the climate change nonsense is a scam I still believe that we have a duty to look after our environment at a more local level and tipping huge amounts of shit into a river is not doing so.

 

[Wolf]

Val, you are doing farming no favours at all.

He's not really a farmer.
He has 10 acres that were left to him by his aunt and he sucks off the EU tit pretending to be a farmer.
Val is a retired corrupt copper. End of story.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Tipping huge amounts of shit into a river is not doing so.

He's been doing it for years and says it does no harm to the Cavan watercourse.

Ear to the Ground the other night had a farmer from Kingscourt saying he was disgusted by a neighbouring farmer for doing it but that it costs 50k to put in a bigger tank.

There's a high chance he was talking about Val but perhaps Val doesn't have 50k lying about?

 

[Professor]

He's been doing it for years and says it does no harm to the Cavan watercourse.

Ear to the Ground the other night had a farmer from Kingscourt saying he was disgusted by a neighbouring farmer for doing it but that it costs 50k to put in a bigger tank.

There's a high chance he was talking about Val but perhaps Val doesn't have 50k lying about?

Yeah but, the handy alternative is to dig down and make another pit, surely?, @valamhic and all?

 

[Mad as Fish]

Yeah but, the handy alternative is to dig down and make another pit, surely?, @valamhic and all?View attachment 4395View attachment 4396

It can be done done but you have to be careful where you dig them and they have to be lined and fenced off, in fact I am not sure what the rules and regs are nowadays but I'd be surprised if you could get away with the above tbh.

 

[valamhic]

Great to know this thread is private. What if Dan made it public?

 

[valamhic]

When I typed slatts with just one 't' it came up as 'DS'

He's a heap of shite too! What us tge bane if a person who hates farmers?

 

[Professor]

It can be done done but you have to be careful where you dig them and they have to be lined and fenced off, in fact I am not sure what the rules and regs are nowadays but I'd be surprised if you could get away with the above tbh.

But it's a measure designed as a back-up which would give farmers an option rather than dumping, as does my previous link. Both options farm more preferable to dumping?

Reminds me of my experience in trying to use the brand new state of the art recycling depot at ballyogan whose bureaucracy made it impossible for me to enter and prevented me in paying to recycle my domestic waste.
So I just cut up and compacted everything into paid general waste bags which . . . Worked out Cheaper and it was the only practical option which the new bureaucracy made available to me.

The fine line between Genius & Insanity?? = Irish Bureaucracy.

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[Mad as Fish]

But it's a measure designed as a back-up which would give farmers an option rather than dumping, as does my previous link. Both options farm more preferable to dumping?

Reminds me of my experience in trying to use the brand new state of the art recycling depot at ballyogan whose bureaucracy made it impossible for me to enter and prevented me in paying to recycle my domestic waste.
So I just cut up and compacted everything into paid general waste bags which . . . Worked out Cheaper and it was the only practical option which the new bureaucracy made available to me.

The fine line between Genius & Insanity?? = Irish Bureaucracy.

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Here ye go, 73 pages of rules and regs on earth lined slurry stores -

file:///C:/Users/user/Downloads/95188_0d4450d1-56c7-4ede-9798-1ec349a49db5.pdf

 

[valamhic]

He's not really a farmer.
He has 10 acres that were left to him by his aunt and he sucks off the EU tit pretending to be a farmer.
Val is a retired corrupt copper. End of story.

I bought all the land at market value and inherited my traditional farm but paid a contribution to others.. Never got anything for nothing.

An aunt left me in her will 200 pounds Irish in 1993. Several others . I donated 100 to the Oblate white fathers in Cork and I spent it in Kerry

 

[valamhic]

Here ye go, 73 pages of rules and regs on earth lined slurry stores -

file:///C:/Users/user/Downloads/95188_0d4450d1-56c7-4ede-9798-1ec349a49db5.pdf

Great information above. I recommend you all read it .

 

[valamhic]

He's not really a farmer.
He has 10 acres that were left to him by his aunt and he sucks off the EU tit pretending to be a farmer.
Val is a retired corrupt copper. End of story.

I am preparing to buy 16 acres down the road but my family want me not to, It has an eeel pond.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Great to know this thread is private. What if Dan made it public?

The public can't see it??? What's the fukking point of it then?

 

[valamhic]

The public can't see it??? What's the fukking point of it then?

When I go out to fish in a boat, I cannot see any fish but I still occasionally catch one.

 

[Fishalt]

The problem with slurries entering waterways isn't bacteria (at least if it comes from grass fed cow manure) it's mainly that it contains so much nitrogen. This causes plants and algae to grow totally out of control and choke up water systems/deoxygenate them, especially if they are surface-covering weeds present. They cover the surface of the water and prevent oxygen dissolving into the water at the correct rate. Detergents also cause this to happen. This causes fish and invertebrates to die off.

Nature does everything in balance. You have to look and think hard about it to see the equilibrium unfolding.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Fishalt do you think Val's activity is good or bad for the environment?

 

[Fishalt]

Fishalt do you think Val's activity is good or bad for the environment?

I don't know what he's doing.

If he's dumping slurry in the river, then yes, it's undoubtedly bad for the environment and likely extremely illegal. If you did that in Australia they'd throw the book at you.

However, we live in extremely different biospheres. Slurry dumping in a waterway in Australia is going to be dramatically worse than in the old country because what we call weeds here are more often than not species native to Europe.

Regardless, he shouldn't be doing it but Val doesn't exactly strike me as the type of person to give a solitary fuck about ecology and likely has virtually no understanding of natural systems at all. A good farmer understand everything about the land and is a good custodian of it. If you came to my property I could tell you, more or less, what every bird, animal, and plant species is, and what they feed, what they house, and what their role in the bioweb is.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

I agree Sir. Unfortunately Val seems to be more interested in meeting faggots down in Gartlans gay bar.

 

[valamhic]

Fishalt do you think Val's activity is good or bad for the environment?

It helps to save you, I do it for your sake.

Slurry is added to the water course, As fishalt says it contains bacteria which you drink and get
cryptosporidium which renders your arshe unattractive to the black doctor in the hospital so he
leaves you alone.

 

[valamhic]

I don't know what he's doing.

If he's dumping slurry in the river, then yes, it's undoubtedly bad for the environment and likely extremely illegal. If you did that in Australia they'd throw the book at you.

However, we live in extremely different biospheres. Slurry dumping in a waterway in Australia is going to be dramatically worse than in the old country because what we call weeds here are more often than not species native to Europe.

Regardless, he shouldn't be doing it but Val doesn't exactly strike me as the type of person to give a solitary fuck about ecology and likely has virtually no understanding of natural systems at all. A good farmer understand everything about the land and is a good custodian of it. If you came to my property I could tell you, more or less, what every bird, animal, and plant species is, and what they feed, what they house, and what their role in the bioweb is.

It is not done as a matter of course, only when the tanks are full and there is no place to put it. It is illegal if you get caught. A court conviction would cause a fine imprisonment and ruin my good name as a model farmer outstanding in my own field.

 

[valamhic]

Does anyone agree with me that the Ukraine and Gaza wars have up scuttled the whole climate boondangle.

USA and Europe used to be the Bastian of climate hysteria, They thought they would get rid of Putin but he is still
there with no sign of quitting. So how will climate action square with the prospect of a Russian invasion of the EU

 

[Fishalt]

It is not done as a matter of course, only when the tanks are full and there is no place to put it. It is illegal if you get caught. A court conviction would cause a fine imprisonment and ruin my good name as a model farmer outstanding in my own field.

The obvious question I would ask is simply: Why not dig another pit?

 

[Mad as Fish]

The obvious question I would ask is simply: Why not dig another pit?

There are 73 pages of rules and regs on how to go about doing so, that is if the site is suitable in the first place and it will not pose a contamination threat to groundwater.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

The obvious question I would ask is simply: Why not dig another pit?

Costs 50k to install a new tank.

 

[jpc]

Costs 50k to install a new tank.

And that wouldn't be a very big one.
20k litres maybe.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

I can see why Val tips it into the river.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Plenty of climate changing going on here -

Monday's Energy Absurdity: Nothing to See Here, Just 900 Tons of Burning Lithium Batteries, Move Along... [UPDATED]

So, what happens when 900 tons of lithium batteries waiting to be recycled spontaneously combust in a warehouse?

blackmon.substack.com

 

[Professor]

Does anyone agree with me that the Ukraine and Gaza wars have up scuttled the whole climate boondangle.

USA and Europe used to be the Bastian of climate hysteria, They thought they would get rid of Putin but he is still
there with no sign of quitting. So how will climate action square with the prospect of a Russian invasion of the EU

Not a word of protest from the Greens, in fact the German Greens are leading the charge.
The monster for carbon taxes Heyman Rian says he cannot tax war, so there's no point in complaining or making a fuss.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Not a word of protest from the Greens, in fact the German Greens are leading the charge.
The monster for carbon taxes Heyman Rian says he cannot tax war, so there's no point in complaining or making a fuss.

Aren’t we all declaring war on the environment by even existing? He can tax that alright.

 

[macdougal]

The facts of the whole world.
Chinese miners extract more coal in four days than Poland in the whole year - 13 million tonnes a day!
I repeat 13 million tons a day. 13 million tonnes of coal every day. And that's not for making soup out of it.
Over 12 months, Beijing has mined more than 4.6 billion tonnes of "black gold". For comparison, in 2023 Polish mines managed to extract only about 49 million tonnes of coal.
The Chinese are building NEW coal power plants all the time and don't pay for CO2 emissions into the common air. Nobody pays except for the European Union countries

, just a curious fact if someone doesn't know. In the United States, on the other hand, a NEWLY created electric car battery factory will be powered by a coal power plant (the basis nowadays is ecology

).
Apparently, with favorable winds, sand from the Sahara reaches Poland, and volcanic dust from the volcano eruption in Iceland circled the earth 2.5 times before it fell, but pollution from China, Russia, India, and Ukraine will certainly not get to us, and we are safe.
Phew, I immediately became healthier and the planet didn't burn.
We're saved and it's all thanks to the European Union.

 

[Fishalt]

Honestly Val needs to think outside the box a little and should diversify what he produces. As I understand things, he farms beef/dairy/w/e and subsequently has an excess of slurry. It's an absolutely superb fertilizer and excellent for improving soil health. There's going to be a way to commercialize it. Probably that will involve some form of investment.