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A Review of Daniel O'Connor, The First and Last Deception (Rensselaer, New York, 2025).

This book follows on from his 2023 work, Only Man Bears His Image, and the author, who is a former engineer (including in quantum physics) but now teaches philosophy and is an expert in same and theology, is certainly the greatest authority on the subject of the Alien Hoax now living.

To begin with a couple of negatives, perversely because this is a great and important book! He ends in the Appendices by giving a number of enticing references to his 2023 work, which is fair enough because he is clearly the only person who has written about this extensively, but it might have helped to summarise a little of what he said in that work there, rather than have the reader thinking that he needs to get the earlier book as well.

The second criticism I would add is on the overall question of people who claim to have seen or experienced, alien craft or abductions etc. Because there is obviously no such thing as UFOs or extra terrestrial aliens whatsoever, which of course he rightly states and proves, these therefore require some explanation and I think its fair to say that he answers that in about four ways:
– Some are making it up, and for example present no proof at all.
– Some are mistaking other phenomenon for UFO sightings, e.g. advanced classified government technology.
– Some are encouraged to make up these experiences by psychiatrists, and related practitioners, who are implanting false memories in their patients.
– Some are seeing demons disguised as UFOs.
That last one is quite an interesting take on this, and he does indeed point the reader towards extensive evidence that this is true, UFO sightings that vanished at Christian exhortations or Holy Water etc. This then is his main explanation for those who seem to be telling the truth about their experiences, a category that he does acknowledge.

Where I would differ from him, and criticise this a little, is that I would add another category. I would say the Alien Hoax is driven by very powerful Occult groups out there (and in practice he does say that when it comes to the media, especially Hollywood, and unfortunately even including Church experts and channels) who are very well connected into the military and intelligence apparatuses of many governments, especially the US, and who are deliberately hoaxing these phenomenon. In otherwords yes, these people did see what looked totally like an alien craft in the sky or whatever, because actually a government or Occult group agency deliberately created a hologram (or real aircraft) that looks exactly like a real spaceship. There are even CIA documents out now that show that agency deliberately creating 'alien abductions' in South America ( https://www.thepulse.one/p/some-ufo-abductions-were-simulated ). So hence some people have very real 'UFO' experiences, but don't understand that these are elaborate hoaxes by very powerful government bodies, and this category O'Connor does not seem to explore at all.

At any rate this is an extensive work which would be impossible even to summarise in this short review, but suffice it to say that it is utterly incredible the degree to which the Alien Hoax is embraced and driven by the Occult world, and anti-Christian forces in general. Thats where they all hang out, if you want to meet your friendly local Satanist get down to the nearest UFO research gathering, because its awesome the links between the two. This also goes back centuries, if not millennia, with anti-Christian heresies (like what Giordano Bruno embraced) or personalities, like Voltaire, or even other religions (like Buddhism, which is big into the Alien Hoax and also is exceptionally anti-Christian and Occult like) etc etc. A related hoax/heresy is where they claim that AI, Artificial Intelligence, is going to become human like in its embrace of intelligence, so creating a kind of Deus ex machina, another Occult dream.

In any case rather than re-narrate this extensive book I will just add my take on where this is heading. I think the very powerful Occult groups, (Occultism is the religion of the Globalists, NOT Judaism, although some Occultists claim to be Jewish, like the Rothschilds) have an agenda of seeking to bring about the Apocalyptic 'End Times', with the Anti-Christ etc, and are moving our modern day society towards that goal. Crazy as it sounds, they believe in these Bible prophecies but nonetheless look upon Lucifer as the hero of that story, and hence want to bring it about. This view, incidentally, is not that far from where this book is coming from, O'Connor talks a lot about the 'End Times', although he is not referring there to the literal end of the world, only to the reign of the Anti-Christ etc.

Anyway the point is that these Globalists seem to be trying to bring about a world government, a totalitarian government, meaning it is to be an horrific dictatorship, and are latching onto issues or movements or just hoaxes that further this end. For example the climate change hoax is driving us towards a type of world government structure trading in carbon credits, but also bearing down on individuals and companies causing them to be almost conscious of how much they breathe. The last pandemic has settled into a world wide agreement to hand over power in that area exclusively to the WHO (taking out the discretion of the governments of nation states) and the totalitarian aspect of this area was obviously seen only a few years ago. Anyway there are numerous such fields where you can see this pattern developing.

But if Daniel O'Connor is right, that the 'End Times' type scenario is relevant here, then you have to add in a new element. That new element is that this future (and its not that far away) totalitarian world government will also compel its citizens to worship Lucifer. (Yes, its bats, I agree, but don't shoot the messenger here, its not as if I am in favour of it!) How are they going to do that, I hear you ask? Well thats the story of this book, it seems that the Occultists are gathering their forces over the next hill to ambush us all on this subject. They are about to launch their attack on an unsuspecting world public, with probably Covid style media and state brainwashing. However they are going to charge behind a shield wall. They are not going to call themselves Luciferians, they are simply going to launch the Alien Hoax in a big way, the 'First Contact'. That in turn is designed to crush or usurp Christianity (they are going to say that even Marian Apparitions are actually alien visitations) and slowly seep into the popular consciousness the Occult philosophies.

George Orwell said that "if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever," and that I think is what the Globalists have in mind for us all, unless they are stopped!

by Brian Nugent, http://www.orwellianireland.com
 
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A Review of Daniel O'Connor, The First and Last Deception (Rensselaer, New York, 2025).

This book follows on from his 2023 work, Only Man Bears His Image, and the author, who is a former engineer (including in quantum physics) but now teaches philosophy and is an expert in same and theology, is certainly the greatest authority on the subject of the Alien Hoax now living.

To begin with a couple of negatives, perversely because this is a great and important book! He ends in the Appendices by giving a number of enticing references to his 2023 work, which is fair enough because he is clearly the only person who has written about this extensively, but it might have helped to summarise a little of what he said in that work there, rather than have the reader thinking that he needs to get the earlier book as well.

The second criticism I would add is on the overall question of people who claim to have seen or experienced, alien craft or abductions etc. Because there is obviously no such thing as UFOs or extra terrestrial aliens whatsoever, which of course he rightly states and proves, these therefore require some explanation and I think its fair to say that he answers that in about four ways:
– Some are making it up, and for example present no proof at all.
– Some are mistaking other phenomenon for UFO sightings, e.g. advanced classified government technology.
– Some are encouraged to make up these experiences by psychiatrists, and related practitioners, who are implanting false memories in their patients.
– Some are seeing demons disguised as UFOs.
That last one is quite an interesting take on this, and he does indeed point the reader towards extensive evidence that this is true, UFO sightings that vanished at Christian exhortations or Holy Water etc. This then is his main explanation for those who seem to be telling the truth about their experiences, a category that he does acknowledge.

Where I would differ from him, and criticise this a little, is that I would add another category. I would say the Alien Hoax is driven by very powerful Occult groups out there (and in practice he does say that when it comes to the media, especially Hollywood, and unfortunately even including Church experts and channels) who are very well connected into the military and intelligence apparatuses of many governments, especially the US, and who are deliberately hoaxing these phenomenon. In otherwords yes, these people did see what looked totally like an alien craft in the sky or whatever, because actually a government or Occult group agency deliberately created a hologram (or real aircraft) that looks exactly like a real spaceship. There are even CIA documents out now that show that agency deliberately creating 'alien abductions' in South America ( https://www.thepulse.one/p/some-ufo-abductions-were-simulated ). So hence some people have very real 'UFO' experiences, but don't understand that these are elaborate hoaxes by very powerful government bodies, and this category O'Connor does not seem to explore at all.

Anyway this is an extensive work which would be impossible even to summarise in this short review, but suffice it to say that it is utterly incredible the degree to which the Alien Hoax is embraced and driven by the Occult world, and anti-Christian forces in general. Thats where they all hang out, if you want to meet your friendly local Satanist get down to the nearest UFO research gathering, because its awesome the links between the two. This also goes back centuries, if not millennia, with anti-Christian heresies (like what Giordano Bruno embraced) or personalities, like Voltaire, or even other religions (like Buddhism, which is big into the Alien Hoax and also is exceptionally anti-Christian and Occult like) etc etc. A related hoax/heresy is where they claim that AI, Artificial Intelligence, is going to become human like in its embrace of intelligence, so creating a kind of Deus ex machina, another Occult dream.

In any case rather than re-narrate this extensive book I will just add my take on where this is heading. I think the very powerful Occult groups, (Occultism is the religion of the Globalists, NOT Judaism, although some Occultists claim to be Jewish, like the Rothschilds) have an agenda of seeking to bring about the Apocalyptic 'End Times', with the Anti-Christ etc, and are moving our modern day society towards that goal. Crazy as it sounds, they believe in these Bible prophecies but nonetheless look upon Lucifer as the hero of that story, and hence want to bring it about. This view, incidentally, is not that far from where this book is coming from, O'Connor talks a lot about the 'End Times', although he is not referring there to the literal end of the world, only to the reign of the Anti-Christ etc.

Anyway the point is that these Globalists seem to be trying to bring about a world government, a totalitarian government, meaning it is to be an horrific dictatorship, and are latching onto issues or movements or just hoaxes that further this end. For example the climate change hoax is driving us towards a type of world government structure trading in carbon credits, but also bearing down on individuals and companies causing them to be almost conscious of how much they breathe. The last pandemic has settled into a world wide agreement to hand over power in that area exclusively to the WHO (taking out the discretion of the governments of nation states) and the totalitarian aspect of this area was obviously seen only a few years ago. Anyway there are numerous such fields where you can see this pattern developing.

But if Daniel O'Connor is right, that the 'End Times' type scenario is relevant here, then you have to add in a new element. That new element is that this future (and its not that far away) totalitarian world government will also compel its citizens to worship Lucifer. (Yes, its bats, I agree, but don't shoot the messenger here, is not as if I am in favour of it!) How are they going to do that, I hear you ask? Well thats the story of this book, it seems that the Occultists are gathering their forces over the next hill to ambush us all on this subject. They are about to launch their attack on an unsuspecting world public, with probably Covid style media and state brainwashing. However they are going to charge behind a shield wall. They are not going to call themselves Luciferians, they are simply going to launch the Alien Hoax in a big way, the 'First Contact'. That in turn is designed to crush or usurp Christianity (they are going to say that even Marian Apparitions are actually alien visitations) and slowly seep into the popular consciousness the Occult philosophies.

George Orwell said that "if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever," and that I think is what the Globalists have in mind for us all, unless they are stopped!

by Brian Nugent, http://www.orwellianireland.com

I'm pretty sure I mentioned that book (by discovery) in the UFOs & Christians thread

With the exception of on planet Earth, do you believe that there isn't any other life in the universe and if so, why?

That's all I want you to answer (I'll open the question to @Tiger as well as he's said the same thing)
 

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I don't believe any other life exists anywhere in the Universe, and the reason why has taken this guy many hundreds of pages to explain!
 

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See, it's gnosticism

Both of you, you and @Tiger have made this statement -

Aliens don't exist

If you made the statement -

I don't believe that aliens exist.. because there isn't any evidence

That would be reasonable*

*Lest you understand what atheism is
 

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See, it's gnosticism

Both of you, you and @Tiger have made this statement -

Aliens don't exist

If you made the statement -

I don't believe that aliens exist.. because there isn't any evidence

That would be reasonable
The fucker is banging on about atheism again. Someone put a sock in it.
Angry bird is back
 

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See, it's gnosticism

Both of you, you and @Tiger have made this statement -

Aliens don't exist

If you made the statement -

I don't believe that aliens exist.. because there isn't any evidence

That would be reasonable*

*Lest you understand what atheism is
Gnosticism I am defining as religious certainty or knowledge

Unlike @scolairebocht, @Tiger won't even say how old he thinks the Earth is (that's how confident that schmuck is) but neither of them will say that their assertion - Aliens don't exist (anywhere in the Universe) is gnosticism
 

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See, it's gnosticism

Both of you, you and @Tiger have made this statement -

Aliens don't exist

If you made the statement -

I don't believe that aliens exist.. because there isn't any evidence

That would be reasonable*

*Lest you understand what atheism is
Imagine getting angry because someone doesn’t believe in little green men. Pathetic
 

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Imagine getting angry because someone doesn’t believe in little green men. Pathetic
It's not a case of not believing something

Every day you astound me at just how retarded you are..
 

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Imagine getting angry because someone doesn’t believe in little green men. Pathetic
You're just jealous because an alcoholic didn't start a thread dedicated to you.😂😂😂
 

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It's not a case of not believing something

Every day you astound me at just how retarded you are..
I see you’ve ruined another potentially interesting thread.

You spend your day shitting all over peoples threads. Ruining the discussion.
 

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I see you’ve ruined another potentially interesting thread.

You spend your day shitting all over peoples threads. Ruining the discussion.
How old do you think the Earth is?
 

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Gnosticism I am defining as religious certainty or knowledge

Unlike @scolairebocht, @Tiger won't even say how old he thinks the Earth is (that's how confident that schmuck is) but neither of them will say that their assertion - Aliens don't exist (anywhere in the Universe) is gnosticism
Imagine getting angry because someone doesn’t believe in little green men. Pathetic
You literally cannot even lead the Tiger to water.. He's just that f*cking stupid
 

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I see you’ve ruined another potentially interesting thread.

You spend your day shitting all over peoples threads. Ruining the discussion.

He actually is making a valid point (granted he is also adding in abuse).

There is intelligent life on Mars, Venus, etc in the form of Angelic life.

Nowhere though to my knowledge does either Scripture or the Church Fathers address the question as to whether there is intelligent Animal life on them so I don't think that we can make claims on that subject for certain.

I doubt very much though that any UFOs are from intelligent animal life from other planets outside of our solar system- if they had mastered space travel to that extent they would surely have mastered being able to mask themselves from us. I do also think it highly probable that a lot of UFOs are demonic.
 

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He actually is making a valid point (granted he is also adding in abuse).
Tiger is not actually retarded (probably) therefore calling him stupid is not abuse

Why don't you do your job and concentrate on genuine abuse

There is intelligent life on Mars, Venus, etc in the form of Angelic life.

Nowhere though to my knowledge does either Scripture or the Church Fathers address the question as to whether there is intelligent Animal life on them so I don't think that we can make claims on that subject for certain.

I doubt very much though that any UFOs are from intelligent animal life from other planets outside of our solar system- if they had mastered space travel to that extent they would surely have mastered being able to mask themselves from us. I do also think it highly probable that a lot of UFOs are demonic.
 

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He actually is making a valid point (granted he is also adding in abuse).
And you do nothing about it apart from thread banning the posters he abuses.
Has he got something on you?
BTW, swing yer ban hammer again if that's your thing.
Every thread you ban me from I just stick on ignore so it makes no difference to me.
This isn't a serious site.😂
 

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And you do nothing about it apart from thread banning the posters he abuses.
Has he got something on you?
BTW, swing yer ban hammer again if that's your thing.👍

It is up to scolaire to swing ban hammers here not I.
 

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And you do nothing about it apart from thread banning the posters he abuses.
Has he got something on you?
BTW, swing yer ban hammer again if that's your thing.👍
Absolutely fucking hilarious
 

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Even uses all my well known phrases.
How weird is that?😂😂
Once again another thread gets dragged into the shitpipe and there's one common alcoholic denominator.
 

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It is up to scolaire to swing ban hammers here not I.
Here's your list of abuse:

Calling someone stupid

Here's your list of not abuse:

Calling someone a paedophile, an alcoholic, unemployed, familyless, death threats.. and the list goes on

Mad
 

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I see you’ve ruined another potentially interesting thread.

You spend your day shitting all over peoples threads. Ruining the discussion.

Please if you have problems with posters on this thread remember that that is a self moderated blog- contact @scolairebocht and not the mods.

Honestly I suspect that you have this dislike for Jambo for the same reason that Myles hates Muslims which basically you feel that he does not give you the respect that you deserve, which may well indeed be true, but getting worked up about that is the action of a Feminist and NOT of a Catholic Gentleman.
 

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It is up to scolaire to swing ban hammers here not I.
It's just a pity you cannot see what the site alcoholic is at.
Every thread derailed by his constant abuse of almost all posters.
One common alcoholic denominator.
 

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Here's your list of abuse:

Calling someone stupid

Here's your list of not abuse:

Calling someone a paedophile, an alcoholic, unemployed, familyless, death threats.. and the list goes on

Mad

And yet both @Tiger and @Wolf will claim on the contrary that I am protecting you and persecuting them.
 

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Sound, that's another thread destroyed by the resident site alcoholic.
 

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A Review of Daniel O'Connor, The First and Last Deception (Rensselaer, New York, 2025).

This book follows on from his 2023 work, Only Man Bears His Image, and the author, who is a former engineer (including in quantum physics) but now teaches philosophy and is an expert in same and theology, is certainly the greatest authority on the subject of the Alien Hoax now living.

To begin with a couple of negatives, perversely because this is a great and important book! He ends in the Appendices by giving a number of enticing references to his 2023 work, which is fair enough because he is clearly the only person who has written about this extensively, but it might have helped to summarise a little of what he said in that work there, rather than have the reader thinking that he needs to get the earlier book as well.

The second criticism I would add is on the overall question of people who claim to have seen or experienced, alien craft or abductions etc. Because there is obviously no such thing as UFOs or extra terrestrial aliens whatsoever, which of course he rightly states and proves, these therefore require some explanation and I think its fair to say that he answers that in about four ways:
– Some are making it up, and for example present no proof at all.
– Some are mistaking other phenomenon for UFO sightings, e.g. advanced classified government technology.
– Some are encouraged to make up these experiences by psychiatrists, and related practitioners, who are implanting false memories in their patients.
– Some are seeing demons disguised as UFOs.
That last one is quite an interesting take on this, and he does indeed point the reader towards extensive evidence that this is true, UFO sightings that vanished at Christian exhortations or Holy Water etc. This then is his main explanation for those who seem to be telling the truth about their experiences, a category that he does acknowledge.

Where I would differ from him, and criticise this a little, is that I would add another category. I would say the Alien Hoax is driven by very powerful Occult groups out there (and in practice he does say that when it comes to the media, especially Hollywood, and unfortunately even including Church experts and channels) who are very well connected into the military and intelligence apparatuses of many governments, especially the US, and who are deliberately hoaxing these phenomenon. In otherwords yes, these people did see what looked totally like an alien craft in the sky or whatever, because actually a government or Occult group agency deliberately created a hologram (or real aircraft) that looks exactly like a real spaceship. There are even CIA documents out now that show that agency deliberately creating 'alien abductions' in South America ( https://www.thepulse.one/p/some-ufo-abductions-were-simulated ). So hence some people have very real 'UFO' experiences, but don't understand that these are elaborate hoaxes by very powerful government bodies, and this category O'Connor does not seem to explore at all.

At any rate this is an extensive work which would be impossible even to summarise in this short review, but suffice it to say that it is utterly incredible the degree to which the Alien Hoax is embraced and driven by the Occult world, and anti-Christian forces in general. Thats where they all hang out, if you want to meet your friendly local Satanist get down to the nearest UFO research gathering, because its awesome the links between the two. This also goes back centuries, if not millennia, with anti-Christian heresies (like what Giordano Bruno embraced) or personalities, like Voltaire, or even other religions (like Buddhism, which is big into the Alien Hoax and also is exceptionally anti-Christian and Occult like) etc etc. A related hoax/heresy is where they claim that AI, Artificial Intelligence, is going to become human like in its embrace of intelligence, so creating a kind of Deus ex machina, another Occult dream.

In any case rather than re-narrate this extensive book I will just add my take on where this is heading. I think the very powerful Occult groups, (Occultism is the religion of the Globalists, NOT Judaism, although some Occultists claim to be Jewish, like the Rothschilds) have an agenda of seeking to bring about the Apocalyptic 'End Times', with the Anti-Christ etc, and are moving our modern day society towards that goal. Crazy as it sounds, they believe in these Bible prophecies but nonetheless look upon Lucifer as the hero of that story, and hence want to bring it about. This view, incidentally, is not that far from where this book is coming from, O'Connor talks a lot about the 'End Times', although he is not referring there to the literal end of the world, only to the reign of the Anti-Christ etc.

Anyway the point is that these Globalists seem to be trying to bring about a world government, a totalitarian government, meaning it is to be an horrific dictatorship, and are latching onto issues or movements or just hoaxes that further this end. For example the climate change hoax is driving us towards a type of world government structure trading in carbon credits, but also bearing down on individuals and companies causing them to be almost conscious of how much they breathe. The last pandemic has settled into a world wide agreement to hand over power in that area exclusively to the WHO (taking out the discretion of the governments of nation states) and the totalitarian aspect of this area was obviously seen only a few years ago. Anyway there are numerous such fields where you can see this pattern developing.

But if Daniel O'Connor is right, that the 'End Times' type scenario is relevant here, then you have to add in a new element. That new element is that this future (and its not that far away) totalitarian world government will also compel its citizens to worship Lucifer. (Yes, its bats, I agree, but don't shoot the messenger here, is not as if I am in favour of it!) How are they going to do that, I hear you ask? Well thats the story of this book, it seems that the Occultists are gathering their forces over the next hill to ambush us all on this subject. They are about to launch their attack on an unsuspecting world public, with probably Covid style media and state brainwashing. However they are going to charge behind a shield wall. They are not going to call themselves Luciferians, they are simply going to launch the Alien Hoax in a big way, the 'First Contact'. That in turn is designed to crush or usurp Christianity (they are going to say that even Marian Apparitions are actually alien visitations) and slowly seep into the popular consciousness the Occult philosophies.

George Orwell said that "if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever," and that I think is what the Globalists have in mind for us all, unless they are stopped!

by Brian Nugent, http://www.orwellianireland.com

When I lived in England we would often go with a bunch of friends to Wales for weekend trips. On one such occasion we stopped for a break in a remote mountainous area and got chatting to a local Welsh chap who told us that the local area was known for UFO activity for several decades. However, it turned out that what was being reported as little green men flying around in space ships turned out to be a secret British military operation, testing various aircraft and drone technology.
 

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He actually is making a valid point
My point is, is that their assertion that alien life (including intelligent) doesn't exist anywhere in the Universe (forget our f*cking solar system).. is gnosticism, and neither of them will admit it

(granted he is also adding in abuse).

There is intelligent life on Mars, Venus, etc in the form of Angelic life.

Nowhere though to my knowledge does either Scripture or the Church Fathers address the question as to whether there is intelligent Animal life on them so I don't think that we can make claims on that subject for certain.

I doubt very much though that any UFOs are from intelligent animal life from other planets outside of our solar system- if they had mastered space travel to that extent they would surely have mastered being able to mask themselves from us. I do also think it highly probable that a lot of UFOs are demonic.
 

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“How old do you think the Earth is?”

[I know this is asked of somebody else but thought I would offer my tuppence worth.] Ages ago I saw some videos of Kent Hovind describing the difficulties with the modern huge age of the universe theory, and I thought he was very persuasive. It seems the carbon dating systems are very unreliable and the archeological evidence tends to depend on the various categories of the epochs, and these seem to be poorly catalogued and distinguished from each other, as he explains. So I believe that the Universe might be roughly 4 or 6,000 years old or something like that, not the gigantic numbers that some modern scientists quote.

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“Why don't you believe it [the existence of aliens]?”

As I pointed out above, this book, which is 353 pages long, proves the non existence of aliens over many chapters and pages so its very hard to summarise the reasons here, especially if such a summary was to exceed two paragraphs it will probably fall foul of Myles's length alarm!

But I do respect the traditional Magisterium of the Catholic Church, which is sort of the accumulated wisdom of the Church as has grown over two millennia, and it turns out it has been fighting the alien hoax for about that length of time. Thats why Giordano Bruno fell foul of the Inquisition, in the very beginning of the 17th century, and thats even why Origen is not considered a doctor of the Church or a saint, even though he contributed a lot of great texts to the Magisterium, way back to about 200 AD. Even St John Henry Newman was fighting against this hoax in England in the mid 19th century, and he said at that time nearly all the intelligentsia said it was a foregone conclusion that they exist, and didn't tolerate any deviation from that! You see originally they claimed there was canals etc on the Moon and on Mars, that could be seen from telescopes, but the various probes that sent pictures back from there have disproved this, which knocked the hoax back quite a few years, or should have anyway.

I say the 'traditional' Magisterium because unfortunately its received a few knocks in recent years, and these modernists, with whom I disagree, are big into the alien hoax. The biggest example is Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, an intellectual hero of the modernists in the Jesuit order, who is also a big figure in the UFO hoax.

Also, I don't mean to be critical of you AN2, but I am worried that I could get involved in a very long not very illuminating discussion if I start answering your questions. As I was trying to say on the atheist thread, the point is that its high time there that you stated your position clearly and at least in some depth, before you can have a proper debate. Its very unhelpful in the long run to have a 'debate' against a position which is an intellectual black hole, in the sense that you just seem to ask endless questions and sneer at your opponents position, but without ever giving your own.
 

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“How old do you think the Earth is?”

[I know this is asked of somebody else but thought I would offer my tuppence worth.] Ages ago I saw some videos of Kent Hovind describing the difficulties with the modern huge age of the universe theory, and I thought he was very persuasive. It seems the carbon dating systems are very unreliable and the archeological evidence tends to depend on the various categories of the epochs, and these seem to be poorly catalogued and distinguished from each other, as he explains. So I believe that the Universe might be roughly 4 or 6,000 years old or something like that, not the gigantic numbers that some modern scientists quote.

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“Why don't you believe it [the existence of aliens]?”

As I pointed out above, this book, which is 353 pages long, proves the non existence of aliens over many chapters and pages so its very hard to summarise the reasons here, especially if such a summary was to exceed two paragraphs it will probably fall foul of Myles's length alarm!

But I do respect the traditional Magisterium of the Catholic Church, which is sort of the accumulated wisdom of the Church as has grown over two millennia, and it turns out it has been fighting the alien hoax for about that length of time. Thats why Giordano Bruno fell foul of the Inquisition, in the very beginning of the 17th century, and thats even why Origen is not considered a doctor of the Church or a saint, even though he contributed a lot of great texts to the Magisterium, way back to about 200 AD. Even St John Henry Newman was fighting against this hoax in England in the mid 19th century, and he said at that time nearly all the intelligentsia said it was a foregone conclusion that they exist, and didn't tolerate any deviation from that! You see originally they claimed there was canals etc on the Moon and on Mars, that could be seen from telescopes, but the various probes that sent pictures back from there have disproved this, which knocked the hoax back quite a few years, or should have anyway.

I say the 'traditional' Magisterium because unfortunately its received a few knocks in recent years, and these modernists, with whom I disagree, are big into the alien hoax. The biggest example is Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, an intellectual hero of the modernists in the Jesuit order, who is also a big figure in the UFO hoax.

Also, I don't mean to be critical of you AN2, but I am worried that I could get involved in a very long not very illuminating discussion if I start answering your questions. As I was trying to say on the atheist thread, the point is that its high time there that you stated your position clearly and at least in some depth, before you can have a proper debate. Its very unhelpful in the long run to have a 'debate' against a position which is an intellectual black hole, in the sense that you just seem to ask endless questions and sneer at your opponents position, but without ever giving your own.
Forgive me for sneering at this -

"I believe that the Universe might be roughly 4 or 6,000 years old or something like that, not the gigantic numbers that some modern scientists quote."

There is a difference between a "gigantic number that scientists quote" and yours

The universe is 4 to 6 thousand years old, I mean, that's lunacy
 

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This is one of the Hovind videos, I don't know did I ever see that one but this guy is quite good on this subject and you might find it changing your mind on the age of the Universe:
 

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This is one of the Hovind videos, I don't know did I ever see that one but this guy is quite good on this subject and you might find it changing your mind on the age of the Universe:

Can you make up your mind please.. or do you believe that the Universe and the Earth were created by your God at more or less the same time?
 

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Are you just making up your own definitions for words now? What does Gnosticism have to do with aliens and UFOs?
Does it really matter what I call a religious certainty, or knowledge? And it's hardly as if I just picked a word out of the air like blue
 

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“How old do you think the Earth is?”

[I know this is asked of somebody else but thought I would offer my tuppence worth.] Ages ago I saw some videos of Kent Hovind describing the difficulties with the modern huge age of the universe theory, and I thought he was very persuasive. It seems the carbon dating systems are very unreliable and the archeological evidence tends to depend on the various categories of the epochs, and these seem to be poorly catalogued and distinguished from each other, as he explains. So I believe that the Universe might be roughly 4 or 6,000 years old or something like that, not the gigantic numbers that some modern scientists quote.

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“Why don't you believe it [the existence of aliens]?”

As I pointed out above, this book, which is 353 pages long, proves the non existence of aliens over many chapters and pages so its very hard to summarise the reasons here, especially if such a summary was to exceed two paragraphs it will probably fall foul of Myles's length alarm!

But I do respect the traditional Magisterium of the Catholic Church, which is sort of the accumulated wisdom of the Church as has grown over two millennia, and it turns out it has been fighting the alien hoax for about that length of time. Thats why Giordano Bruno fell foul of the Inquisition, in the very beginning of the 17th century, and thats even why Origen is not considered a doctor of the Church or a saint, even though he contributed a lot of great texts to the Magisterium, way back to about 200 AD. Even St John Henry Newman was fighting against this hoax in England in the mid 19th century, and he said at that time nearly all the intelligentsia said it was a foregone conclusion that they exist, and didn't tolerate any deviation from that!
You see originally they claimed there was canals etc on the Moon and on Mars, that could be seen from telescopes, but the various probes that sent pictures back from there have disproved this, which knocked the hoax back quite a few years, or should have anyway.
The "canals on Mars" is a rather well-known story in astronomy

It wasn't a "hoax" and it was corrected by what? Yes, that's right, science

I constantly see these ideas of "hoaxes", the petrified wood that was supposed to be Moon rock and so on and so forth..

I say the 'traditional' Magisterium because unfortunately its received a few knocks in recent years, and these modernists, with whom I disagree, are big into the alien hoax. The biggest example is Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, an intellectual hero of the modernists in the Jesuit order, who is also a big figure in the UFO hoax.

Also, I don't mean to be critical of you AN2, but I am worried that I could get involved in a very long not very illuminating discussion if I start answering your questions. As I was trying to say on the atheist thread, the point is that its high time there that you stated your position clearly and at least in some depth, before you can have a proper debate. Its very unhelpful in the long run to have a 'debate' against a position which is an intellectual black hole, in the sense that you just seem to ask endless questions and sneer at your opponents position, but without ever giving your own.
 

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