An Open Letter to Atheists

[AN2]

Me:

"It isn't the slightest bit jarring to you to define an absence of belief as belief?"

"I don't believe that "there are no Gods", am I a "true atheist"?"

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[clarke-connolly]

You're showing your true weasel colours

You haven't answered any of my questions

Perhaps consider taking a break from this thread

Lennox has you rattled = = It's only a matter of time, before you are on your knees praying to John Lennox ! ! !

 

[clarke-connolly]

Me:

"It isn't the slightest bit jarring to you to define an absence of belief as belief?"

"I don't believe that "there are no Gods", am I a "true atheist"?"

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You Believe in your, Absence Of Belief = = That means you have a Belief, You are a Believer in that Belief !

I think John Lennox may gather you, one of these days !

 

[Pierre Turnip]

Me:

"It isn't the slightest bit jarring to you to define an absence of belief as belief?"

"I don't believe that "there are no Gods", am I a "true atheist"?"

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Dope

 

[clarke-connolly]

Dope

Do you think he is smoking the Dope ? !

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Lennox has you rattled = = It's only a matter of time, before you are on your knees praying to John Lennox ! ! !

I think he wants to suck his auld Orange cock

 

[Hermit]

https://scitechdaily.com/rewriting-cosmology-new-calculations-shake-foundations-of-the-big-bang-theory/

We may not know now when the Universe started, if there is even a beginning.

New findings from the University of Bonn challenge the assumptions of the standard cosmological model.

Their new calculations suggest that the strength of this background radiation may have been significantly overestimated. If their findings are confirmed, it could force scientists to rethink some of the most fundamental ideas in modern cosmology.

“According to our calculations, however, it could be that this background radiation doesn’t exist at all,” explains Prof. Dr. Pavel Kroupa from the Helmholtz Institute for Radiation and Nuclear Physics at the University of Bonn and Charles University in Prague. “At the very least, we are convinced that its strength has been overestimated.”

Even if it accounts for just 1.4%, this would presumably have huge consequences for the standard model.

IF. COULD. ASSUMING. MAYBE. PROBABLY. SUPPOSING. POSSIBLY. PERHAPS.

Assumptions challenging assumptions, fallacies challenging fallacies, pseudoscience challenging pseudoscience.

 

[Hermit]

Atheism isn't a religion or faith

Do you believe, or is it your position, that God does not exist? Or do you have no claim/position whether or not God exists?

 

[AN2]

Do you believe, or is it your position, that God does not exist? Or do you have no claim/position whether or not God exists?

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lol Sure.. It's a position on religion in that atheists don't believe in any

 

[clarke-connolly]

lol Sure.. It's a position on religion in that atheists don't believe in any

Are you saying that Atheists don't believe in anything ? !

 

[AN2]

IF. COULD. ASSUMING. MAYBE. PROBABLY. SUPPOSING. POSSIBLY. PERHAPS.

Assumptions challenging assumptions, fallacies challenging fallacies, pseudoscience challenging pseudoscience.

Just as well we aren't all as certain as you..

"I know there is a creator because I know the earth is flat." - Hermit

 

[Hermit]

lol Sure.. It's a position on religion in that atheists don't believe in any

I was trying to clarify YOUR position. I understand you do not believe in God, but do you absolutely rule out the possibility of God?

 

[AN2]

I was trying to clarify YOUR position. I understand you do not believe in God, but do you absolutely rule out the possibility of God?

Fair enough

I thought I had made that fairly clear though when I said - I don't believe that there are no Gods

So, no, I do not rule out the possibility of God (although "God" isn't very well defined)

Btw, I would and have criticised atheists who do although that's not terribly common. Even the "World's most famous atheist", Dawkins, is an agnostic atheist

 

[AN2]

DOOFUS Lennox thinks he pwned atheist with this -


View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/-OZfl-f0_Ko

If Lennox has spent "decades engaging top-tier atheists", as @Tiger says, you'd think he'd be more familiar with basic atheistic arguments..

Here is what the atheist actually said -


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qA7qBtNMayQ&t=33m

And that isn't merely an argument that Lennox is a Christian because of his environment, it is an argument about the truth claim a theist would make for their religion

The concept of religion being an "accident of geography" suggests that the specific religion practiced by an individual is largely determined by the location where they are born. This idea implies that religious beliefs are not necessarily based on objective truth but are rather a product of cultural and geographical factors.

And of course the same argument could not be used for atheism (atheism isn't a religion)

 

[clarke-connolly]

Could the Atheist God ~ ~ Strike One Down ? !

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

I don't believe that there are no Gods

That means you believe there are Gods

 

[AN2]

I've said it many times and it's a rather shocking state of affairs but the fact remains, theists don't know what atheism is

 

[clarke-connolly]

I've said it many times and it's a rather shocking state of affairs but the fact remains, theists don't know what atheism is

Maybe God won't let them !

 

[AN2]

Maybe it's a sort of willful ignorance?

Are most people who identify as atheist actually agnostic?

The vast majority of atheists are actually both. Atheist only means that you don’t believe in any god, agnostic means that you don’t claim to know if there are gods or not. Those positions are not only perfectly compatible, their combination forms the only rational position in the debate.

You were probably told that atheists claim to know there are no gods and that agnostics cannot make up their minds if they believe in a god or not. Those definitions come from theists to reduce the possible positions to one that is attackable, the claim that there are no gods, and one that does not claim disbelief. That way suddenly all non-believers are wrong and theists can pretend that they are in a superior position. They are not. Those definitions not only are rarely ever how atheists define themselves, they are also deliberately incomplete in order not to have to deal with a position theists cannot overcome: agnostic atheism.

 

[céline]

Do you believe in free will, AN2?

 

[AN2]

Do you believe in free will, AN2?

What do you mean by that?

From a neurological perspective, I've said before that I've long since sensed that my subconscious has informed my conscious to do something, albeit the something is quite trivial

From a theological perspective, I'm not particularly interested

 

[céline]

What do you mean by that?

From a neurological perspective, I've said before that I've long since sensed that my subconscious has informed my conscious to do something, albeit the something is quite trivial

From a theological perspective, I'm not particularly interested

I'm not really talking about the subconscious part of the brain. I mean do you personally through conscious decision decide to do something or not do something or are you just propelled by the material interaction of your brain to do it?

If you think you have a choice, does there not need to be a metaphysical reason for having decided?

 

[AN2]

I'm not really talking about the subconscious part of the brain. I mean do you personally through conscious decision decide to do something or not do something or are you just propelled by the material interaction of your brain to do it?

• Neuroscience:
  Studies the neural processes underlying decision-making, with some findings suggesting that conscious decisions may be preceded by unconscious brain activity, raising questions about the nature of free will.

If you think you have a choice, does there not need to be a metaphysical reason for having decided?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

I don't believe that there are no Gods

 

[céline]

• Neuroscience:
  Studies the neural processes underlying decision-making, with some findings suggesting that conscious decisions may be preceded by unconscious brain activity, raising questions about the nature of free will.

So you're saying we have no free will?

 

[clarke-connolly]

So you're saying we have no free will?

Maybe he doesn't have the Free-Will to say anything else !

 

[AN2]

So you're saying we have no free will?

I'm saying what I said I said

Do you want to define "free will"?

 

[céline]

I'm saying what I said I said

Do you want to define "free will"?

The metaphysical ability to change the course of your life.

 

[AN2]

The metaphysical ability to change the course of your life.

Don't know what that means

 

[céline]

Don't know what that means

We have souls in communion with God & in this soul that is attached to our brains & bodies we have the ability to decide on things in our life.

 

[AN2]

We have souls in communion with God & in this soul that is attached to our brains & bodies we have the ability to decide on things in our life.

I don't believe in God, I'm an atheist

 

[céline]

I don't believe in God, I'm an atheist

So you don't believe in free will. How exactly does that make sense? You're just watching yourself interact with the world as if you're watching a film?

Also, I think truly right-wing movements such as National Socialism require a belief in free will.

 

[AN2]

So you don't believe in free will. How exactly does that make sense? You're just watching yourself interact with the world as if you're watching a film?

Also, I think truly right-wing movements such as National Socialism require a belief in free will.

I don't believe in God, that's an answer to your question if you're defining "free will" as something to do with God

 

[céline]

I don't believe in God, that's an answer to your question if you're defining "free will" as something to do with God

So you can control your life even though it's just a material interaction of the brain & the body, with no metaphysical reality?

 

[Yer Ma.]

An atheist is basically an extreme version of a Protestant.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

An atheist is basically an extreme version of a Protestant.

How do you figure that?

 

[AN2]

So you can control your life even though it's just a material interaction of the brain & the body, with no metaphysical reality?

'Material(istic)' & 'metaphysical' are words commonly used by theists. They don't mean much to me. I'm not seeking answers from God, why would I

 

[céline]

An atheist is basically an extreme version of a Protestant.

Didn't Luther remove free will from the theology of Lutheranism?

 

[Yer Ma.]

How do you figure that?

In a word, they're too literal.

Consider atheists like poor simpke Cpu brain Jambo or tragic aspiring Mensa member Godsdog for illustration.

Protestantism likewise was based on taking things literally.

They gave up much of their prior sense of the sacred, and beliefs rooted in trust and faith, in the divine.

Instead they put that into "work", and community etc.

They deitised objective knowledge and empirical evidence over the sacred.

They became subject to epistemic beliefs.

So you see atheism is a sect of Protestantism. A child of Protestantism.

They have done what Protestants did, in extremis.

As a tangential observation, it is in fact a large part of the reason why poor Jambo took up things like white supremacist ideology so piously, projected the sacred into all of its tenets, and fawned before its priests.

And his basic need for an element of mystery was discovered in ideas like the mystery of "the Great Replacement", analogous to the mystery of "the Ascension", etc.

 

[AN2]

In a word, they're too literal.

Consider atheists like poor simpke Cpu brain Jambo or tragic aspiring Mensa member Godsdog for illustration.

No one should consider the dumb caricatures you have for other people

Protestantism likewise was based on taking things literally.

They gave up much of their prior sense of the sacred, and beliefs rooted in trust and faith, in the divine.

Instead they put that into "work", and community etc.

They deitised objective knowledge and empirical evidence over the sacred.

They became subject to epistemic beliefs.

So you see atheism is a sect of Protestantism. A child of Protestantism.

They have done what Protestants did, in extremis.

As a tangential observation, it is in fact a large part of the reason why poor Jambo took up things like white supremacist ideology so piously, projected the sacred into all of its tenets, and fawned before its priests.

And his basic need for an element of mystery was discovered in ideas like the mystery of "the Great Replacement", analogous to the mystery of "the Ascension", etc.