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This is great example of the shallow and predictable response that I mentioned above. No brain cells were exhausted in it's formation.

How telling — that when faced with the crumbling edifice of materialist pretensions, the best rebuttal you can muster is the childish pejorative: “God magic.” This is the language of those who haven’t read, who haven’t studied, and who believe history began with Neil deGrasse Tyson and ends with Reddit.

You parade science like a golden calf, unaware that the very discipline you idolise was birthed in the cradle of Christian metaphysics — men like Grosseteste, Bacon, and Newton sought to understand the cosmos precisely because they believed in a rational Creator. Remove that foundation, and you’re left with intellectual fragments masquerading as certainties — a mechanical cosmos with no mechanic, laws with no lawgiver, reason in a universe allegedly born of chaos.

Your “materialism” cannot account for logic, for being, for beauty, for justice, or even for the consciousness you mock others with. It is a philosophy of subtraction: subtract the soul, subtract meaning, subtract purpose, and call the vacancy “truth.” And yet, when challenged to explain why anything exists rather than nothing — or why the cosmos obeys laws intelligible to the human mind — you shuffle your feet and retreat to memes.

It’s not God that requires “magic” — it’s your worldview. Ex nihilo nihil fit — from nothing, nothing comes. And yet you want us to believe everything came from nothing... for no reason... and that this is somehow “science.”
Instead of constantly replying with these bloviated (and suitable for an angry and confused teenager) replies, why don't you address what I said

Filling in (your assumption of) gaps in the "materialist worldview" with God is not science, never will be
 
I personally believe in souls & other supposedly 'supernatural' phenomena but I'm not aware it can't be in tandem with some more recent findings amongst scientists. Then again maybe I still need to educate myself more.
 
Instead of constantly replying with these bloviated (and suitable for an angry and confused teenager) replies, why don't you address what I said

Filling in (your assumption of) gaps in the "materialist worldview" with God is not science, never will be
No one said “God is science” - that’s your strawman. That’s like saying Shakespeare is a grammar rule. The point is your materialist worldview can’t even explain why science works in the first place. You’re borrowing order and logic from a universe you claim is accidental.
 
I personally believe in souls & other supposedly 'supernatural' phenomena but I'm not aware it can't be in tandem with some more recent findings amongst scientists. Then again maybe I still need to educate myself more.
Trying to gel religious belief with science is a preoccupation of some theists. I always get the feeling that it's because they're quite queasy in their belief, or are trying to come across as less retarded than they actually are, not for their religious belief, just in general
 
Trying to gel religious belief with science is a preoccupation of some theists. I always get the feeling that it's because they're quite queasy in their belief, or are trying to come across as less retarded than they actually are, not for their religious belief, just in general
Isn't the whole climate change awareness project based on purely materialist scientific evidence, though?
 
Descartes separation of the soul (or mind) from the material was a convenience at the end of the day. Undoubtedly it lead to unbelievable material progress, scientific and engineering wonders, and everything else. But it worked by reducing all reality to matter in motion, which I don't think any thoughtful person is going to ever claim, well that's all that reality is.
 
materialist scientific evidence
Are you aware of any other kind

Materialist is just a (sneering) word that theists like to use AFAIAC

I laughed at the top comment on this video -

Calling science "Materialist Science" is like calling maths "Calculational Mathematics"
 
Are you aware of any other kind

Materialist is just a (sneering) word that theists like to use AFAIAC

I laughed at the top comment on this video -

Calling science "Materialist Science" is like calling maths "Calculational Mathematics"
There have been points in history in which religious people have engaged in scientific investigation & have adopted some kind of compatibility between the two, surely?

My point is that the climate change awareness project seems to come from people who want to place all the power amongst those of the scientific community & ignore any more 'supernatural' explanation for things, probably because Marx 'warned' the world about the destructive nature of Capitalism & Marxists & other Leftists need to use the example of climate change to prop up their ideology.
 
There have been points in history in which religious people have engaged in scientific investigation & have adopted some kind of compatibility between the two, surely?
Do you drink water because you're religious?

I mean, what's the connection, some scientists are and have been religious
 
Do you drink water because you're religious?

I mean, what's the connection, some scientists are and have been religious
I mean that after concluding that the world is made of spirit you can still investigate those phenomena in a way which is similar to how other people also do it, no?

Sorry, I don't know much about philosophy but I'll give it a shot.
 
I mean that after concluding that the world is made of spirit you can still investigate those phenomena in a way which is similar to how other people also do it, no?
Don't quite know what the first part means but eh, sure, why not

Theists love to point out famous scientists who believed in God, Newton being an obvious one and even Einstein
 
Don't quite know what the first part means but eh, sure, why not

Theists love to point out famous scientists who believed in God, Newton being an obvious one and even Einstein
Isn't the religious way of thinking one defined by a belief that the world is a product of spirit & the interaction of souls with God?
 
Isn't the religious way of thinking one defined by a belief that the world is a product of spirit & the interaction of souls with God?
As an atheist I'm not sure I'm the best person to answer that

Do you have any particular religious adherence as a matter of curiosity, i.e. a particular religion/God that you believe in?
 
As an atheist I'm not sure I'm the best person to answer that

Do you have any particular religious adherence as a matter of curiosity, i.e. a particular religion/God that you believe in?
I'm still learning about religion because my parents weren't a member of any but I guess the Hindoo religion because it is similar to the pre-Christian religions of Europe & maybe Platonism.
 
Descartes separation of the soul (or mind) from the material was a convenience at the end of the day. Undoubtedly it lead to unbelievable material progress, scientific and engineering wonders, and everything else. But it worked by reducing all reality to matter in motion, which I don't think any thoughtful person is going to ever claim, well that's all that reality is.
Does anyone know WTF roc is talking about? 🤔
 
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I personally believe in souls & other supposedly 'supernatural' phenomena but I'm not aware it can't be in tandem with some more recent findings amongst scientists. Then again maybe I still need to educate myself more.
Did you watch the movie 21 Grams? Apparently at the precise moment of death the body loses 21 grams in weight.

So the soul roughly weighs that of a chocolate bar, a couple of coins, a deck of cards etc.
 
 
Nope, you set up your own thread because you and James were failing miserably in our discussion and you needed a safe haven. Which is why you banned me from it.

The only posts I ever removed were mindless abuse from James, nothing to do with any debate. James was drunk and spamming

Your dismissal, laced with weary condescension, is less an argument and more a defense mechanism. Saying “I’ve heard it all before” isn’t a rebuttal—it’s a way of shielding yourself from engagement. And yet, ironically, your complete inability to answer even basic challenges shows you clearly haven’t heard it before—or at least, never understood it. What you have “heard” are caricatures filtered through the echo chamber of materialist apologetics, not serious arguments demanding serious response.

You mock “mud men” and “rib women” while faithfully adhering to your own creation myth: that a cosmos burst from nothing without cause, that inorganic matter sprang to life without intention, and that consciousness is a biochemical accident. You accuse others of magical thinking while invoking a liturgy of unobservable, unrepeatable events you accept on institutional authority. That’s not science—it’s scientism. And your “technical explanations” never seem to touch the core: why anything exists, why order emerges, or why truth matters at all.

You reject metaphysics and then smuggle it in through the back door under names like “emergence” or “natural selection.” The Bible speaks in symbols of eternal truths you cannot measure but which govern all that is—meanwhile, your worldview is a ghost town of unaccountable abstractions.

When pressed, you return to sneers, not substance. Because at bottom, this isn’t about evidence. It’s about allegiance—to a system that cannot tolerate contradiction, and to a narrative that needs the protection of scorn to survive scrutiny.
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You mock “mud men” and “rib women” while faithfully adhering to your own creation myth: that a cosmos burst from nothing without cause, that inorganic matter sprang to life without intention, and that consciousness is a biochemical accident. You accuse others of magical thinking while invoking a liturgy of unobservable, unrepeatable events you accept on institutional authority. That’s not science—it’s scientism. And your “technical explanations” never seem to touch the core: why anything exists, why order emerges, or why truth matters at all.

You reject metaphysics and then smuggle it in through the back door under names like “emergence” or “natural selection.” The Bible speaks in symbols of eternal truths you cannot measure but which govern all that is—meanwhile, your worldview is a ghost town of unaccountable abstractions.

When pressed, you return to sneers, not substance. Because at bottom, this isn’t about evidence. It’s about allegiance—to a system that cannot tolerate contradiction, and to a narrative that needs the protection of scorn to survive scrutiny.
Point taken

But you honestly have nothing to say about Tiger's quote above? 🤔
 
No argument there.

It’s 9am here, I’ve already been to the gym, walked the dog and in about 45 minutes will be jumping into the car to take the family to meet some friends and hike up Slieve Bloom. The wife bought Roz Purcell’s book on hiking around Ireland, so we try to do one hike every week or two.
 
True. 'Underage' is a legal term
Can't you discuss your fantasies about underage girls with the resident pedo, WankTank (Haven) by PM?
Why pollute the site with your shite?
 
It’s not quite up there with Jame’s threat to rape Sham’s dead mother, but dark and shameful nonetheless.

Not your finest hour.
Not the joke.

The Joke was that there are no trees is Ireland.

Edit: I can't believe that comment got deleted. This place is becoming really fake and gay, and I probably need to stop posting here altogether.
 
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