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I see, The Rugby Choke-ers, Choked again !

What a soft under-belly the Irish Rugby Players have !

Or are some of the opposition teams ~ Performance Drugged Up ( not saying Northampton ) but some of the others i.e, South Africa / maybe some New Zealanders ( especially in the past )
 

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Catholics of Sarsfields, I ask you this: Does this person strike you as somebody worthy of entering the kingdom of heaven? How in sync with the teaching of Jesus Christ is whatever this is?

Totally unprompted, I might add. Apropos of nothing,


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You guys are hilarious but I'm somewhat intrigued with this part -

It's bizarre, even if I was to to take a pretend basic interest in the evolutionary position, I could argue against my own points better than he does. Sometimes I actually hint at where his argument is but he's too retarded to understand

Could you unpack that for me @Tiger? 🤔

My position is that evolution is a scientific theory so well established that it's basically fact

You've never posted anything in your dumb Intelligent Design thread other than by creationist crackpots and (semi) credible biologists who, nonetheless, believe in evolution
 

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The reason why Shiloh Hendrix happened is because for years now White people have been backed up against a wall with all our avenues of action and communication cut off. As we face a future that we don’t want, we are not allowed to resist it or advocate for ourselves in any way. It feels impossible to make any change at the ballot box, either because politicians betray us or we can’t advance ourselves. If we communicate our concerns, we are censored from the debate or sent to prison. Crimes against us are covered up. Our history is rewritten and insulted. White advocates are lied about, misrepresented and attacked to encourage others not to do the same. Well, as I’ve said for many years, none of these attacks are going to change how we feel and make us love multiculturalism, they just change how many of us choose to operate. The system has left us restrained but still defiant and asked us to pick a side. Well, we have just picked our side.
 

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Did you write that? You haven't attributed it to anyone.

Shiloh? Sounds like a Jewess who planned it all to rake in the Shekels.
 

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Did you write that? You haven't attributed it to anyone.
I did, Saar (Laura Towler)

Shiloh? Sounds like a Jewess who planned it all to rake in the Shekels.
What does it matter if her name is Neptune Shibboleth

A bigger point is being made. Do you want to confirm that your stupidity is just an act, or shall we decide that you're actually stupid? 🤔
 

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You guys are hilarious but I'm somewhat intrigued with this part -

It's bizarre, even if I was to to take a pretend basic interest in the evolutionary position, I could argue against my own points better than he does. Sometimes I actually hint at where his argument is but he's too retarded to understand

Could you unpack that for me @Tiger? 🤔

My position is that evolution is a scientific theory so well established that it's basically fact

You've never posted anything in your dumb Intelligent Design thread other than by creationist crackpots and (semi) credible biologists who, nonetheless, believe in evolution
I know your position—mechanistic materialism cloaked in the borrowed prestige of "science." And it's not the authenticicity of your belief that damns it—it's your inability to defend it without collapsing into juvenile sneers and second-hand quips. You don't debate; you react. Predictably. Shallowly. Like every other product of the post-Enlightenment re-education camp that calls itself modernity.

You mistake repetition for understanding. You parrot the usual dogmas with the confidence of someone who's never had to think beyond Wikipedia footnotes. I knew what you would say about Hitler before you said it—because men like you are not thinkers, you’re ideological automatons. You repeat the script because it’s safe. Because you haven’t read enough to know how flimsy it is.

Your worldview is a cardboard idol of progress built on sand. And when questioned, you do not respond with substance but with invective—because that’s all your catechism has taught you. Read something. Anything. Dostoevsky. Solzhenitsyn. But until then, your mockery is a confession—of your ignorance and your fear of light.

You are not contending with me—you are contending with reality. And that is a battle your worldview cannot win.
 

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@Declan Tiger has banned me from the Origins thread, the thread in which you merged his Intelligent Design thread with my Origins Uncensored thread. Can you move it out of Tiger's blog?
 

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@Declan Tiger has banned me from the Origins thread, the thread in which you merged his Intelligent Design thread with my Origins Uncensored thread. Can you move it out of Tiger's blog?
That’s the old ban. I’ll unban you.

The public humiliation must continue
 

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That’s the old ban. I’ll unban you.
@Declan FYI he hasn't done that ^

It was a terrible decision to merge Tiger's ID thread into my Origins Uncensored thread and put it in his blog but surely you can go some way to rectifying?
 

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I know your position—mechanistic materialism cloaked in the borrowed prestige of "science."
In the stolen Origins Uncensored thread you wrote;

Any attempt to fully account for reality — including the Earth’s origins — from within a purely materialist framework will always be incomplete.

When are you going to realise that your God magic isn't and never will be science?

And it's not the authenticicity of your belief that damns it—it's your inability to defend it without collapsing into juvenile sneers and second-hand quips. You don't debate; you react. Predictably. Shallowly. Like every other product of the post-Enlightenment re-education camp that calls itself modernity.

You mistake repetition for understanding. You parrot the usual dogmas with the confidence of someone who's never had to think beyond Wikipedia footnotes. I knew what you would say about Hitler before you said it—because men like you are not thinkers, you’re ideological automatons. You repeat the script because it’s safe. Because you haven’t read enough to know how flimsy it is.

Your worldview is a cardboard idol of progress built on sand. And when questioned, you do not respond with substance but with invective—because that’s all your catechism has taught you. Read something. Anything. Dostoevsky. Solzhenitsyn. But until then, your mockery is a confession—of your ignorance and your fear of light.

You are not contending with me—you are contending with reality. And that is a battle your worldview cannot win.
 

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In the stolen Origins Uncensored thread you wrote;

Any attempt to fully account for reality — including the Earth’s origins — from within a purely materialist framework will always be incomplete.

When are you going to realise that your God magic isn't and never will be science?
This is great example of the shallow and predictable response that I mentioned above. No brain cells were exhausted in it's formation.

How telling — that when faced with the crumbling edifice of materialist pretensions, the best rebuttal you can muster is the childish pejorative: “God magic.” This is the language of those who haven’t read, who haven’t studied, and who believe history began with Neil deGrasse Tyson and ends with Reddit.

You parade science like a golden calf, unaware that the very discipline you idolise was birthed in the cradle of Christian metaphysics — men like Grosseteste, Bacon, and Newton sought to understand the cosmos precisely because they believed in a rational Creator. Remove that foundation, and you’re left with intellectual fragments masquerading as certainties — a mechanical cosmos with no mechanic, laws with no lawgiver, reason in a universe allegedly born of chaos.

Your “materialism” cannot account for logic, for being, for beauty, for justice, or even for the consciousness you mock others with. It is a philosophy of subtraction: subtract the soul, subtract meaning, subtract purpose, and call the vacancy “truth.” And yet, when challenged to explain why anything exists rather than nothing — or why the cosmos obeys laws intelligible to the human mind — you shuffle your feet and retreat to memes.

It’s not God that requires “magic” — it’s your worldview. Ex nihilo nihil fit — from nothing, nothing comes. And yet you want us to believe everything came from nothing... for no reason... and that this is somehow “science.”
 

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@Declan Tiger has banned me from the Origins thread, the thread in which you merged his Intelligent Design thread with my Origins Uncensored thread. Can you move it out of Tiger's blog?
I tried to remove your ban there. See if it works.

Also, a gentle reminder that there is a separate Flat Earth thread, so try to stay on topic.
 

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This is great example of the shallow and predictable response that I mentioned above. No brain cells were exhausted in it's formation.

How telling — that when faced with the crumbling edifice of materialist pretensions, the best rebuttal you can muster is the childish pejorative: “God magic.” This is the language of those who haven’t read, who haven’t studied, and who believe history began with Neil deGrasse Tyson and ends with Reddit.

You parade science like a golden calf, unaware that the very discipline you idolise was birthed in the cradle of Christian metaphysics — men like Grosseteste, Bacon, and Newton sought to understand the cosmos precisely because they believed in a rational Creator. Remove that foundation, and you’re left with intellectual fragments masquerading as certainties — a mechanical cosmos with no mechanic, laws with no lawgiver, reason in a universe allegedly born of chaos.

Your “materialism” cannot account for logic, for being, for beauty, for justice, or even for the consciousness you mock others with. It is a philosophy of subtraction: subtract the soul, subtract meaning, subtract purpose, and call the vacancy “truth.” And yet, when challenged to explain why anything exists rather than nothing — or why the cosmos obeys laws intelligible to the human mind — you shuffle your feet and retreat to memes.

It’s not God that requires “magic” — it’s your worldview. Ex nihilo nihil fit — from nothing, nothing comes. And yet you want us to believe everything came from nothing... for no reason... and that this is somehow “science.”
Instead of constantly replying with these bloviated (and suitable for an angry and confused teenager) replies, why don't you address what I said

Filling in (your assumption of) gaps in the "materialist worldview" with God is not science, never will be
 

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I personally believe in souls & other supposedly 'supernatural' phenomena but I'm not aware it can't be in tandem with some more recent findings amongst scientists. Then again maybe I still need to educate myself more.
 

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Instead of constantly replying with these bloviated (and suitable for an angry and confused teenager) replies, why don't you address what I said

Filling in (your assumption of) gaps in the "materialist worldview" with God is not science, never will be
No one said “God is science” - that’s your strawman. That’s like saying Shakespeare is a grammar rule. The point is your materialist worldview can’t even explain why science works in the first place. You’re borrowing order and logic from a universe you claim is accidental.
 

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I personally believe in souls & other supposedly 'supernatural' phenomena but I'm not aware it can't be in tandem with some more recent findings amongst scientists. Then again maybe I still need to educate myself more.
Trying to gel religious belief with science is a preoccupation of some theists. I always get the feeling that it's because they're quite queasy in their belief, or are trying to come across as less retarded than they actually are, not for their religious belief, just in general
 

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Trying to gel religious belief with science is a preoccupation of some theists. I always get the feeling that it's because they're quite queasy in their belief, or are trying to come across as less retarded than they actually are, not for their religious belief, just in general
Isn't the whole climate change awareness project based on purely materialist scientific evidence, though?
 
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Descartes separation of the soul (or mind) from the material was a convenience at the end of the day. Undoubtedly it lead to unbelievable material progress, scientific and engineering wonders, and everything else. But it worked by reducing all reality to matter in motion, which I don't think any thoughtful person is going to ever claim, well that's all that reality is.
 

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materialist scientific evidence
Are you aware of any other kind

Materialist is just a (sneering) word that theists like to use AFAIAC

I laughed at the top comment on this video -

Calling science "Materialist Science" is like calling maths "Calculational Mathematics"
 

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Are you aware of any other kind

Materialist is just a (sneering) word that theists like to use AFAIAC

I laughed at the top comment on this video -

Calling science "Materialist Science" is like calling maths "Calculational Mathematics"
There have been points in history in which religious people have engaged in scientific investigation & have adopted some kind of compatibility between the two, surely?

My point is that the climate change awareness project seems to come from people who want to place all the power amongst those of the scientific community & ignore any more 'supernatural' explanation for things, probably because Marx 'warned' the world about the destructive nature of Capitalism & Marxists & other Leftists need to use the example of climate change to prop up their ideology.
 

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There have been points in history in which religious people have engaged in scientific investigation & have adopted some kind of compatibility between the two, surely?
Do you drink water because you're religious?

I mean, what's the connection, some scientists are and have been religious
 

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Do you drink water because you're religious?

I mean, what's the connection, some scientists are and have been religious
I mean that after concluding that the world is made of spirit you can still investigate those phenomena in a way which is similar to how other people also do it, no?

Sorry, I don't know much about philosophy but I'll give it a shot.
 

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I mean that after concluding that the world is made of spirit you can still investigate those phenomena in a way which is similar to how other people also do it, no?
Don't quite know what the first part means but eh, sure, why not

Theists love to point out famous scientists who believed in God, Newton being an obvious one and even Einstein
 

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Don't quite know what the first part means but eh, sure, why not

Theists love to point out famous scientists who believed in God, Newton being an obvious one and even Einstein
Isn't the religious way of thinking one defined by a belief that the world is a product of spirit & the interaction of souls with God?
 

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Isn't the religious way of thinking one defined by a belief that the world is a product of spirit & the interaction of souls with God?
As an atheist I'm not sure I'm the best person to answer that

Do you have any particular religious adherence as a matter of curiosity, i.e. a particular religion/God that you believe in?
 

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As an atheist I'm not sure I'm the best person to answer that

Do you have any particular religious adherence as a matter of curiosity, i.e. a particular religion/God that you believe in?
I'm still learning about religion because my parents weren't a member of any but I guess the Hindoo religion because it is similar to the pre-Christian religions of Europe & maybe Platonism.
 

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Descartes separation of the soul (or mind) from the material was a convenience at the end of the day. Undoubtedly it lead to unbelievable material progress, scientific and engineering wonders, and everything else. But it worked by reducing all reality to matter in motion, which I don't think any thoughtful person is going to ever claim, well that's all that reality is.
Does anyone know WTF roc is talking about? 🤔
 

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I personally believe in souls & other supposedly 'supernatural' phenomena but I'm not aware it can't be in tandem with some more recent findings amongst scientists. Then again maybe I still need to educate myself more.
Did you watch the movie 21 Grams? Apparently at the precise moment of death the body loses 21 grams in weight.

So the soul roughly weighs that of a chocolate bar, a couple of coins, a deck of cards etc.
 

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Nope, you set up your own thread because you and James were failing miserably in our discussion and you needed a safe haven. Which is why you banned me from it.

The only posts I ever removed were mindless abuse from James, nothing to do with any debate. James was drunk and spamming

Your dismissal, laced with weary condescension, is less an argument and more a defense mechanism. Saying “I’ve heard it all before” isn’t a rebuttal—it’s a way of shielding yourself from engagement. And yet, ironically, your complete inability to answer even basic challenges shows you clearly haven’t heard it before—or at least, never understood it. What you have “heard” are caricatures filtered through the echo chamber of materialist apologetics, not serious arguments demanding serious response.

You mock “mud men” and “rib women” while faithfully adhering to your own creation myth: that a cosmos burst from nothing without cause, that inorganic matter sprang to life without intention, and that consciousness is a biochemical accident. You accuse others of magical thinking while invoking a liturgy of unobservable, unrepeatable events you accept on institutional authority. That’s not science—it’s scientism. And your “technical explanations” never seem to touch the core: why anything exists, why order emerges, or why truth matters at all.

You reject metaphysics and then smuggle it in through the back door under names like “emergence” or “natural selection.” The Bible speaks in symbols of eternal truths you cannot measure but which govern all that is—meanwhile, your worldview is a ghost town of unaccountable abstractions.

When pressed, you return to sneers, not substance. Because at bottom, this isn’t about evidence. It’s about allegiance—to a system that cannot tolerate contradiction, and to a narrative that needs the protection of scorn to survive scrutiny.
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You mock “mud men” and “rib women” while faithfully adhering to your own creation myth: that a cosmos burst from nothing without cause, that inorganic matter sprang to life without intention, and that consciousness is a biochemical accident. You accuse others of magical thinking while invoking a liturgy of unobservable, unrepeatable events you accept on institutional authority. That’s not science—it’s scientism. And your “technical explanations” never seem to touch the core: why anything exists, why order emerges, or why truth matters at all.

You reject metaphysics and then smuggle it in through the back door under names like “emergence” or “natural selection.” The Bible speaks in symbols of eternal truths you cannot measure but which govern all that is—meanwhile, your worldview is a ghost town of unaccountable abstractions.

When pressed, you return to sneers, not substance. Because at bottom, this isn’t about evidence. It’s about allegiance—to a system that cannot tolerate contradiction, and to a narrative that needs the protection of scorn to survive scrutiny.
Point taken

But you honestly have nothing to say about Tiger's quote above? 🤔
 

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No argument there.

It’s 9am here, I’ve already been to the gym, walked the dog and in about 45 minutes will be jumping into the car to take the family to meet some friends and hike up Slieve Bloom. The wife bought Roz Purcell’s book on hiking around Ireland, so we try to do one hike every week or two.
 

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