How much is the collapse of Catholicism to blame for Southern Ireland's mass immigration severe problems?

[SeekTheFairLand]

Who said Aontu were the heroic Catholic resistance?

Nobody.

You seem only able to debate by creating strawman arguments.

Aontu were only mentioned as a contrast to the complete and utter full spectrum compliance (without a word of dissent) from the mainstream Godless parties. Something that you fail to address or speak to.


So congratulations Seek, you’ve latched onto Aontú’s immigrant candidate as if it’s some masterstroke of a counter-argument, but let’s get real. I never said Aontú were the salvation of Ireland— in fact I said I wouldn't vote for them. I merely pointed out that, out of all the mainstream political parties, they’re one of the few who’ve dared to say something about the replacement crisis. Not that it counts for much, considering how utterly irrelevant they are in the grand scheme of things.

Let’s not pretend that’s the issue, though. You’re still avoiding the elephant in the room: While you're busy nitpicking, the entire political establishment is drunk on globalism and driving the bus to demographic replacement. Where are your secular, Godless crusaders?—those with zero skin in the Catholic game—who are standing up against the invasion of our land? What have they done? A whole lot of nothing. Your side doesn’t have a single atheist or secular nationalist worthy of the name who’s actively fighting this demographic war.

The irony is thick: Aontú, despite its flaws, is at least saying something, while the godless elite are too busy pushing for the total replacement of the Irish people, aided and abetted by your beloved globalists. So, spare us the lectures on Aontú’s blemishes and show me a single real opponent of replacement immigration from your ranks. If Aontú is beneath your standards, where’s the real resistance? The silence is deafening.

This isn’t some philosophical debate—it’s an existential crisis. And your only argument is attacking those who’ve spoken against the invasion, rather than stepping up to do anything about it yourself. So, tell me, where’s your real answer to the destruction of Ireland? Because right now, it’s just a game of pointing fingers while our country disintegrates.

So here we are 117 posts into this thread and this fat slob the only answer that you have...?

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I don’t think you understand what this thread is about, so let me help you by starting a sentence and then you finish it.

Here it us…

I don’t think Peadar Toibin is a proper Nationalist fighting against the great replacement, certainly not compared to the Godless nationalist know as…….*insert answer*

So actually none of the examples you offer up live up to the criteria you apply to them.

Tobin has been, since the day and hour he set off on his SF side project a controlled opposition outfit. Ascribing to ENAR, admitting that his party was there to stop people running off to actual nationalist parties. And as you illustrate, its a ploy that works.

So Ganley, who is lobbying US neo Cons to establish an EU as far the Bering Strait. Tobin, the gay marriage supporting, foreigner promoting, who is in Communion with ENAR. The Dame of St Gregory, Francis decorated Dana.. who have you got that is saving us? Barrett who hid when the State were pushing the Pfizer kill shot into people?


Sheridan was actively encouraging people not to get the shot. Who almost daily encouraged people not to lose heart during the vicious assault of lock-downs.

Your guys twisted and turned and played their weasel words into a position fully in line with globalist aim.

SSPX leader says vaccination can be morally 'prudent'

While denouncing as an "abuse of power" coercive measures to promote vaccination against COVID-19, a leader of the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X said getting vaccinated "may sometimes be an eminently prudent act in the moral sense of the term."

www.ncronline.org

They always do. As has been repeatedly illustrated. Your church today and yesteryear have always been in line with the elites and globalist objectives.

 

[Nyob]

All the people you mentioned happen to be Catholic. You are choosing to emphasise their Catholicism.

Exactly, and not to mention that I don't think that he's actually named a nationalist who's a Catholic (some comedic bloopers though, such as Peadar Toibin) and a nationalist because they're a Catholic, not to mention x2 almost every Irish person is at least nominally a Catholic

This thread is just Tiger reigniting his dumpster fire from before

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Tiger's getting smashed in this thread. He'll end up more punch drunk than Conor.

 

[Tiger]

So actually none of the examples you offer up live up to the criteria you apply to them.

Tobin has been, since the day and hour he set off on his SF side project a controlled opposition outfit. Ascribing to ENAR, admitting that his party was there to stop people running off to actual nationalist parties. And as you illustrate, its a ploy that works.

So Ganley, who is lobbying US neo Cons to establish an EU as far the Bering Strait. Tobin, the gay marriage supporting, foreigner promoting, who is in Communion with ENAR. The Dame of St Gregory, Francis decorated Dana.. who have you got that is saving us? Barrett who hid when the State were pushing the Pfizer kill shot into people?


Sheridan was actively encouraging people not to get the shot. Who almost daily encouraged people not to lose heart during the vicious assault of lock-downs.

Your guys twisted and turned and played their weasel words into a position fully in line with globalist aim.

SSPX leader says vaccination can be morally 'prudent'

While denouncing as an "abuse of power" coercive measures to promote vaccination against COVID-19, a leader of the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X said getting vaccinated "may sometimes be an eminently prudent act in the moral sense of the term."

www.ncronline.org

They always do. As has been repeatedly illustrated. Your church today and yesteryear have always been in line with the elites and globalist objectives.

Seek, you still haven’t made the slightest attempt to address the substance of the OP. Instead, you’ve gone trawling for strawmen — not to rebut the claim that the collapse of Catholicism created the vacuum for mass immigration, but to pick apart the imperfect Catholics who’ve at least noticed there’s a problem. That’s not debate. That’s deflection.

I never presented Ganley, Tóibín, or Dana as incorruptible apostles of Irish salvation. They are compromised, inconsistent, even cringeworthy at times — and yet, they are among the very few who’ve tried to protect our sovereignty . That's the point. I didn’t raise them to canonise them — I raised them to highlight the stunning silence from the secular, post-Catholic camp, which despite all its supposed clarity and modernity has produced exactly zero meaningful resistance to the destruction underway.

You mock “fringe” Catholics who haven’t built mass movements — but all the while, the Godless have built nothing except cynical commentary from the bleachers. Not a party. Not a street movement. Not even a pamphlet. You demand perfection from Catholics while defending total inactivity from everyone else.

So again, the challenge stands: name your champions. Name the Godless, post-Christian figures actively and consistently opposing the regime’s demographic war on Ireland. Not hypotheticals — names. Receipts. Quotes.

 

[Tiger]

Exactly, and not to mention that I don't think that he's actually named a nationalist who's a Catholic (some comedic bloopers though, such as Peadar Toibin) and a nationalist because they're a Catholic, not to mention x2 almost every Irish person is at least nominally a Catholic

This thread is just Tiger reigniting his dumpster fire from before

Ah yes, the “dumpster fire” thread — the very one where, despite pages of scorched pixels, not a single Godless nationalist could be named. A remarkable coincidence, isn’t it? All that heat, and still no light. Any yet here we are again and very notably the Godless are empty handed again. Pants down around their ankles for all to see their shame.

And since we’re invoking past glories, let’s not forget that thread’s finest moment: James fumbling like a startled substitute teacher when asked to describe his own brand of “ethno-nationalism” — and offering not one tangible act he’d taken to advance it. No writing. No organizing. Not even a meme campaign. Just vibes.

And while you sneer at Catholics, a gentle reminder: Ireland’s greatest historical nationalists were men of deep faith — Pearse, Plunkett, MacSwiney, Ó Cadhain — men who would have recoiled at the spiritual and demographic erosion your Godless modern “heroes” sit back and excuse. The idea that Ireland can be defended without God is not only historically ignorant, it’s proven bankrupt by the silence and passivity of your entire camp.

You want a better list? Fine. Start your own. Give us the Godless resistance heroes. Names. Deeds. Dates. Show the “non-Catholic nationalist” camp doing anything beyond complaining about Catholics not being pure enough for your liking.

This isn’t a game of ideological Top Trumps. The country is being dismembered. If you can’t name even one secular figure fighting back in public — then maybe, just maybe, you’re clinging to your “post-religious nationalism” fantasy because it asks nothing of you.

So let’s have it: name your Godless nationalist champions. Or admit the cupboard is bare.

 

[Tiger]

Tiger's getting smashed in this thread. He'll end up more punch drunk than Conor.

Haha, Myles, if you think that after 125 posts, having Thomas "unemployed car-vlogger" Sheridan as your sole Godless nationalist is “winning”... I’d hate to see what losing looks like.

Still no names. Still no movement. Just memes, cope, and total silence on the OP:

Why has post-Catholic Ireland been so easy to overrun? Answers on a postcard.

Keep the car running, lads — you’ve nowhere to go.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

I asked you two questions twice yet you went running.

How is that a man confident in his argument?!!!

 

[Tiger]

I asked you two questions twice yet you went running.

How is that a man confident in his argument?!!!

As is often the case, your two questions were simply irrelevant to the actual topic of the thread. You were asking about heresy. What relevance to the thread did your questions have?

If you want a theological sparring match about heresy, by all means start another thread. This one is about the collapse of Catholicism in Ireland and how its absence opened the floodgates to mass immigration, rootlessness, and demographic crisis.

Instead of addressing that, your questions were simply adding to the pile of avoidance, strawmen, and copium.

If you’ve got something to say about the actual topic, say it. Otherwise, take the heresy tangent elsewhere.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

That was one post (a question you brought on yourself to be fair) but how about the other one you avoided:

This idea that real, practicing Catholics are the ones opening the borders is pure fantasy.

But they tell you themselves they're all for it! Compassion, mercy, live by Jesus' example etc.

Every Priest and Bishop in the Country has called for us to take in refugees from all over the World. I haven't heard a single instance of their flock telling them they disagree.

You can't resort to the line that they're not "true" Catholics when your above sentence clearly contradicts it.

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

Seek, you still haven’t made the slightest attempt to address the substance of the OP. Instead, you’ve gone trawling for strawmen — not to rebut the claim that the collapse of Catholicism created the vacuum for mass immigration, but to pick apart the imperfect Catholics who’ve at least noticed there’s a problem. That’s not debate. That’s deflection.

I never presented Ganley, Tóibín, or Dana as incorruptible apostles of Irish salvation. They are compromised, inconsistent, even cringeworthy at times — and yet, they are among the very few who’ve said anything about demographic displacement. That's the point. I didn’t raise them to canonise them — I raised them to highlight the stunning silence from the secular, post-Catholic camp, which despite all its supposed clarity and modernity has produced exactly zero meaningful resistance to the destruction underway.

You mock “fringe” Catholics who haven’t built mass movements — but all the while, the Godless have built nothing except cynical commentary from the bleachers. Not a party. Not a street movement. Not even a pamphlet. You demand perfection from Catholics while defending total inactivity from everyone else.

So again, the challenge stands: name your champions. Name the Godless, post-Christian figures actively and consistently opposing the regime’s demographic war on Ireland. Not hypotheticals — names. Receipts. Quotes.

You offered these names of people who happen to be Catholic. The God Filled and God Less have between them not built anything like a mass movement. People who do things for Ireland do not require to be subscribed to Catholicism to act.

Republicanism was set in train by Protestants. Your Catholic hero O'Connell kept all his life a rifle over the fire in Derrynane that was used to hunt 1798 rebels. The Loyal Lawyers Militia was his unit in 1798. Not for him a Wolfe Tone or a Henry Joy or a Roddy McCorley.

The Church was always a drag on Nationalism in Ireland. Following behind the lead of others, and always using it's position of claimed moral superiority to steer such movements into safe non-threatening positions. When the English forced the creation of the rotten corrupt Free State on this country, your orthodox priesthood lambasted those opposed to it. They reinforced the betrayal of the Republic and potential of this country to be the Nation envisioned by so many of our National Heroes. Do you think I give a fuck now about the institutions of the Free State because its a hundred years old and has stolen the name 'republic'? When the IRA were fighting the foreign occupation and rule of part of this country, your Pope on 'his bended knees' begged them to stop. Whenever a national resistance movement does emerge in this country it wont have to deal with the weasel words of a Catholic Church who pretends to be a friend but who will act for the elites' position.

That Nationalists acted in a country where the majority were Catholic is not the same as saying that they acted because they were Catholic, and sure as shit the Church leadership didn't direct them.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

I would put The Nal and Miss Daisy in the spiteful mutant category

A lot of people earnestly believed that the collapse of Catholicism in Ireland would mean Gaels becoming Presbyterian and/or Baptist en mass. Than I am sure there were others who thought that it would instead bring a mass adoption of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism or whatever. Neither of those things happened or even showed any real signs of starting to happen and instead the likes of "The Nal", the Mowl and MsDaiscyMC came to define it for many people, and I don't think irrationally so.

 

[Tiger]

You offered these names of people who happen to be Catholic. The God Filled and God Less have between them not built anything like a mass movement. People who do things for Ireland do not require to be subscribed to Catholicism to act.

Republicanism was set in train by Protestants. Your Catholic hero O'Connell kept all his life a rifle over the fire in Derrynane that was used to hunt 1798 rebels. The Loyal Lawyers Militia was his unit in 1798. Not for him a Wolfe Tone or a Henry Joy or a Roddy McCorley.

The Church was always a drag on Nationalism in Ireland. Following behind the lead of others, and always using it's position of claimed moral superiority to steer such movements into safe non-threatening positions. When the English forced the creation of the rotten corrupt Free State on this country, your orthodox priesthood lambasted those opposed to it. They reinforced the betrayal of the Republic and potential of this country to be the Nation envisioned by so many of our National Heroes. Do you think I give a fuck now about the institutions of the Free State because its a hundred years old and has stolen the name 'republic'? When the IRA were fighting the foreign occupation and rule of part of this country, your Pope on 'his bended knees' begged them to stop. Whenever a national resistance movement does emerge in this country it wont have to deal with the weasel words of a Catholic Church who pretends to be a friend but who will act for the elites' position.

That Nationalists acted in a country where the majority were Catholic is not the same as saying that they acted because they were Catholic, and sure as shit the Church leadership didn't direct them.

If you want to write revisionist fan fiction about Irish history, that’s your prerogative, but let’s not pretend it has any bearing on the reality we’re living through—or on the actual topic of this thread.

The OP didn’t exist to canonise Peadar Tóibín or draw up a list of contemporary saints; it raised a serious and broadly held concern—that the spiritual and cultural collapse of Catholicism in the 26 counties has left behind a void now being filled by imported ideologies and peoples. Mass immigration, falling native birthrates, and political self-hatred are not isolated problems; they are symptoms of a civilisation that has lost its anchor.

In practical terms, the post-Catholic era has produced an Ireland that is emotionally and intellectually disarmed in the face of civilisational change. When the Faith was strong, Ireland still had a sense of the sacred—of community, obligation, and the natural order. Now, the dominant ethos is a mix of consumerism, and deracinated individualism. Without a transcendent moral framework, the population has become passive, almost neurotically afraid to assert boundaries—cultural, national, or even biological. The State reflects this loss of conviction. Why wouldn't it? We’ve traded in our altar and tabernacle for DEI consultants and TikTok influencers. In such a regime, the idea of resisting mass immigration isn’t just unfashionable—it’s literally unthinkable.

Now to the claim that Catholicism was merely incidental or even an obstacle to Irish nationalism—this is simply false, and deeply unserious. Not only did Ireland’s most effective nationalists ground their vision of Irish sovereignty in the Faith, they openly and explicitly said so.

Padraig Pearse:
"I see the task of the Irish patriot to be not only to win freedom for Ireland, but to win it as a Christian nation... The Gael must stand for the spiritual against the material, for the soul against the gold."
— From his essay “The Spiritual Nation”

Terence MacSwiney, Lord Mayor of Cork, martyred by hunger strike in 1920:
"It is not those who can inflict the most but those who can suffer the most who will conquer. Through our Holy Faith we will rise."
— From “Principles of Freedom”

The 1916 Proclamation, read by Pearse outside the GPO, declares:
"We place the cause of the Irish Republic under the protection of the Most High God."
That’s not boilerplate—it’s the ideological foundation of their rebellion.

The 1937 Constitution of Ireland, drafted under de Valera and passed by popular referendum, opens with:

"In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority... We, the people of Éire, humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ..."

This is not incidental. This is foundational.

So let’s be clear: when Catholicism was strong, Irish men died for their country, for their people, and for their Faith. The Church gave moral structure and intellectual ballast to the nationalist movement. It gave us schools, communities, identity, and cohesion. What have the secularists given us? Tinder, SSRIs, mass migration, and a birthrate in freefall.

You say Catholicism was never the cause of nationalist resistance? But where is the non-Catholic resistance now? When Catholic identity was strong, we had poets, martyrs, and statesmen. Today, your side has an unemployed car vlogger from Sligo and a handful of podcasters LARPing as revolutionaries from a Wi-Fi signal.

This thread has now gone over 100 posts. Still, not one credible example has been given of a Godless nationalist movement in Ireland that has achieved anything or built any lasting institutions. We’re still waiting. So I’ll ask plainly:

Can you name one prominent Godless figure or group in Ireland today—just one—who has mounted a serious, sustained opposition to the mass migration agenda and demographic collapse?

 

[Nyob]

Ah yes, the “dumpster fire” thread — the very one where, despite pages of scorched pixels, not a single Godless nationalist could be named. A remarkable coincidence, isn’t it? All that heat, and still no light. Any yet here we are again and very notably the Godless are empty handed again. Pants down around their ankles for all to see their shame.

And since we’re invoking past glories, let’s not forget that thread’s finest moment: James fumbling like a startled substitute teacher when asked to describe his own brand of “ethno-nationalism” — and offering not one tangible act he’d taken to advance it.

Good god lad, you don't know what ethnic nationalism is?! I suppose that figures

No writing. No organizing. Not even a meme campaign. Just vibes.

And while you sneer at Catholics, a gentle reminder: Ireland’s greatest historical nationalists were men of deep faith — Pearse, Plunkett, MacSwiney, Ó Cadhain — men who would have recoiled at the spiritual and demographic erosion your Godless modern “heroes” sit back and excuse. The idea that Ireland can be defended without God is not only historically ignorant, it’s proven bankrupt by the silence and passivity of your entire camp.

You want a better list? Fine. Start your own. Give us the Godless resistance heroes. Names. Deeds. Dates. Show the “non-Catholic nationalist” camp doing anything beyond complaining about Catholics not being pure enough for your liking.

This isn’t a game of ideological Top Trumps. The country is being dismembered. If you can’t name even one secular figure fighting back in public — then maybe, just maybe, you’re clinging to your “post-religious nationalism” fantasy because it asks nothing of you.

So let’s have it: name your Godless nationalist champions. Or admit the cupboard is bare.

 

[Nyob]

A lot of people earnestly believed that the collapse of Catholicism in Ireland would mean Gaels becoming Presbyterian and/or Baptist en mass. Than I am sure there were others who thought that it would instead bring a mass adoption of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism or whatever. Neither of those things happened or even showed any real signs of starting to happen and instead the likes of "The Nal", the Mowl and MsDaiscyMC came to define it for many people, and I don't think irrationally so.

Well Ireland is culturally Marxist now

 

[Tiger]

Good god lad, you don't know what ethnic nationalism is?! I suppose that figures

Another high quality post.

So, James, the suspense is killing us, are you finally going to name your favourite ethnic nationalists in Ireland or do you plan on keeping it a secret forever?

 

[Nyob]

Another high quality post.

It's beyond lame to copycat Gowl

Do you seriously not know what ethnic nationalism is? Why would you think that I have my own brand of it?

So, James, the suspense is killing us, are you finally going to name your favourite ethnic nationalists in Ireland or do you plan on keeping it a secret forever?

Forget favourites, you can't name a single one, can you name any ethnic nationalist in Ireland?

 

[Tiger]

It's beyond lame to copycat Gowl

Do you seriously not know what ethnic nationalism is? Why would you think that I have my own brand of it?

Trust me James, nobody thinks you have your own brand of anything.

Forget favourites, you can't name a single one, can you name any ethnic nationalist in Ireland?

The same old schtick, always responds to a simple question with a question. Never has anything to say.

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

If you want to write revisionist fan fiction about Irish history, that’s your prerogative, but let’s not pretend it has any bearing on the reality we’re living through—or on the actual topic of this thread.

The OP didn’t exist to canonise Peadar Tóibín or draw up a list of contemporary saints; it raised a serious and broadly held concern—that the spiritual and cultural collapse of Catholicism in the 26 counties has left behind a void now being filled by imported ideologies and peoples. Mass immigration, falling native birthrates, and political self-hatred are not isolated problems; they are symptoms of a civilisation that has lost its anchor.

In practical terms, the post-Catholic era has produced an Ireland that is emotionally and intellectually disarmed in the face of civilisational change. When the Faith was strong, Ireland still had a sense of the sacred—of community, obligation, and the natural order. Now, the dominant ethos is a mix of consumerism, and deracinated individualism. Without a transcendent moral framework, the population has become passive, almost neurotically afraid to assert boundaries—cultural, national, or even biological. The State reflects this loss of conviction. Why wouldn't it? We’ve traded in our altar and tabernacle for DEI consultants and TikTok influencers. In such a regime, the idea of resisting mass immigration isn’t just unfashionable—it’s literally unthinkable.

Now to the claim that Catholicism was merely incidental or even an obstacle to Irish nationalism—this is simply false, and deeply unserious. Not only did Ireland’s most effective nationalists ground their vision of Irish sovereignty in the Faith, they openly and explicitly said so.

Padraig Pearse:
"I see the task of the Irish patriot to be not only to win freedom for Ireland, but to win it as a Christian nation... The Gael must stand for the spiritual against the material, for the soul against the gold."
— From his essay “The Spiritual Nation”

Terence MacSwiney, Lord Mayor of Cork, martyred by hunger strike in 1920:
"It is not those who can inflict the most but those who can suffer the most who will conquer. Through our Holy Faith we will rise."
— From “Principles of Freedom”

The 1916 Proclamation, read by Pearse outside the GPO, declares:
"We place the cause of the Irish Republic under the protection of the Most High God."
That’s not boilerplate—it’s the ideological foundation of their rebellion.

The 1937 Constitution of Ireland, drafted under de Valera and passed by popular referendum, opens with:

This is not incidental. This is foundational.

So let’s be clear: when Catholicism was strong, Irish men died for their country, for their people, and for their Faith. The Church gave moral structure and intellectual ballast to the nationalist movement. It gave us schools, communities, identity, and cohesion. What have the secularists given us? Tinder, SSRIs, mass migration, and a birthrate in freefall.

You say Catholicism was never the cause of nationalist resistance? But where is the non-Catholic resistance now? When Catholic identity was strong, we had poets, martyrs, and statesmen. Today, your side has an unemployed car vlogger from Sligo and a handful of podcasters LARPing as revolutionaries from a Wi-Fi signal.

This thread has now gone over 100 posts. Still, not one credible example has been given of a Godless nationalist movement in Ireland that has achieved anything or built any lasting institutions. We’re still waiting. So I’ll ask plainly:

Can you name one prominent Godless figure or group in Ireland today—just one—who has mounted a serious, sustained opposition to the mass migration agenda and demographic collapse?

And when Nationalism was led by the Protestants, men still died for Ireland. Hunted as they were by your Catholic Champions.
You ignore the majority of the Proclamation where Pearse pays tribute to those Protestant Champions, tips his hat to Ulster Loyalists, incorporates Connolly's Marxism and gives the starring role to the IRB. An IRB that for your Church hell wasn't hot enough and eternity long enough.

An IRB that would have been in the doldrums yet had it not been for the Ulster Protestant Bulmer Hobson. Would have been nowhere without John Devoy who stated he never talked politics when he was on knees when a priest challenged his Fenian activities in confession. And Pearse's notions were indulged by Thomas Clarke the main instigator of the Rising who rejected priestly attentions before his execution. So for every religious ideologue involved in Nationalism there are equally as many who were not motivated by Catholicism.

On the first meeting of the Dail, it passed the Democratic Programme in which God or the Church didn't get one mention. Of course we can't have that and that document of the actual declared 32 county Republic was not to be mentioned again.

You seek Catholicism in a Nationalist movement who persisted despite Church and Catholicism. A Rising that your Church condemned and who instructed Irish people to co-operate with the British military authorities. The Church that tried to sink a nascent movement to the British before seeing to their shock that the People were in sympathy with the rebels. And only then did the Church give its grudging support lest they lose their influence. fucking band-wagoners. And at the first opportunity sided with the British enforced Treaty and Free State.

That an independence movement blossomed and achieves some degree of success was a miracle given that in all other times of Catholic dominance nothing was achieved. Your Church influence in Ireland continued almost unquestioned until the Bishop Casey Annie Murphy Late Late Show in 1992. Did Ireland achieve anywhere near the vision outlined by our National Heroes in that time? Nope.

Your Church has been a constant dampner on radical change in this country.
DeValera's constitution. LOL!!
The type of Catholic Nationalist who shoots Irishmen who dare question the Irish State? You can keep both versions of Free State Constitution

 

[Tiger]

And when Nationalism was led by the Protestants, men still died for Ireland. Hunted as they were by your Catholic Champions.
You ignore the majority of the Proclamation where Pearse pays tribute to those Protestant Champions, tips his hat to Ulster Loyalists, incorporates Connolly's Marxism and gives the starring role to the IRB. An IRB that for your Church hell wasn't hot enough and eternity long enough.

An IRB that would have been in the doldrums yet had it not been for the Ulster Protestant Bulmer Hobson. Would have been nowhere without John Devoy who stated he never talked politics when he was on knees when a priest challenged his Fenian activities in confession. And Pearse's notions were indulged by Thomas Clarke the main instigator of the Rising who rejected priestly attentions before his execution. So for every religious ideologue involved in Nationalism there are equally as many who were not motivated by Catholicism.

On the first meeting of the Dail, it passed the Democratic Programme in which God or the Church didn't get one mention. Of course we can't have that and that document of the actual declared 32 county Republic was not to be mentioned again.

You seek Catholicism in a Nationalist movement who persisted despite Church and Catholicism. A Rising that your Church condemned and who instructed Irish people to co-operate with the British military authorities. The Church that tried to sink a nascent movement to the British before seeing to their shock that the People were in sympathy with the rebels. And only then did the Church give its grudging support lest they lose their influence. fucking band-wagoners. And at the first opportunity sided with the British enforced Treaty and Free State.

That an independence movement blossomed and achieves some degree of success was a miracle given that in all other times of Catholic dominance nothing was achieved. Your Church influence in Ireland continued almost unquestioned until the Bishop Casey Annie Murphy Late Late Show in 1992. Did Ireland achieve anywhere near the vision outlined by our National Heroes in that time? Nope.

Your Church has been a constant dampner on radical change in this country.
DeValera's constitution. LOL!!
The type of Catholic Nationalist who shoots Irishmen who dare question the Irish State? You can keep both versions of Free State Constitution

Zzzz..

If the goal is to turn Irish history into a stream-of-consciousness rant against Catholicism, you’re doing a fine job. But in terms of historical accuracy, logical coherence, or relevance to the thread’s core issue—this is pure scattershot revisionism. You seem to genuinely struggle to properly engage the OP.

Reminder..

So, after 100+ posts, if the sole champion of secular Irish nationalism is Thomas “dashboard monologue” Sheridan, then we are truly through the looking glass.

Now, before we chase any more ghosts, let’s recall the actual topic of this thread:

The cultural and demographic collapse in the 26 counties, caused—many argue—by the vacuum left by Catholicism’s downfall and how this has faciliated the great replacement without any resistence.

But instead of engaging that central premise, you offer a stitched-together tale of cherry-picked Protestants and mid-century clerical politics, hoping that dragging up 1798 will distract from the very modern disaster playing out in front of us.

Your claims dissolve on contact with historical record:

• You say the Church "hunted" Nationalists, but you ignore that almost every successful Irish nationalist movement post-1800 was led by, composed of, and guided by Catholics—not despite their Faith, but because of it.
• Pearse’s Proclamation, which you twist, explicitly invokes God, not Enlightenment materialism. The signatories were not atheistic ideologues—they were men who genuflected before execution.
• The Dáil’s early programme, which you call secular, was passed by publicly practicing Catholics and later superseded by Bunreacht na hÉireann, a Constitution which opens with an invocation of the Most Holy Trinity and roots sovereignty in the People under God.

The irony? Your own post proves the OP’s thesis. When Irish men were anchored in the Church—not in corrupt bishops, but in the Faith of Patrick, Colmcille, and Brendan—they fought for soil, soul, and sovereignty. Now, rootless and ashamed, their descendants can't even muster a whimper as the country is auctioned to NGOs and foreign speculators.

"When the Faith goes, the fight goes."

You’ve yet to name even one Godless figure who has materially opposed the plantation of Ireland. Not one. But you’ve wasted paragraphs kicking dead priests.

 

[Nyob]

And since we’re invoking past glories, let’s not forget that thread’s finest moment: James fumbling like a startled substitute teacher when asked to describe his own brand of “ethno-nationalism”

Do you seriously not know what ethnic nationalism is? Why would you think that I have my own brand of it?

Trust me James, nobody thinks you have your own brand of anything.

Forget favourites, you can't name a single one, can you name any ethnic nationalist in Ireland?

The same old schtick, always responds to a simple question with a question. Never has anything to say.

 

[Nyob]

If you cannot name a single nationalist in Ireland, which you can't (drawing from both the Godless and the Godful), then why in the whole wide world of f*ck are you asking someone else to name ten of them??

 

[SwordOfStZip]

That was one post (a question you brought on yourself to be fair) but how about the other one you avoided:

The thing is that most of the Bishops and the Clerical Establishment are deseparate to have the respect or at least not be totally rejected by the Rulings Elites- if Jambo was in charge they would be singing the praises of Richard Lynn and Mark Collett. They are looking for pats on the head by the "Irish Times" which is why they say stuff on immigration that pleases roc_ and annoys you.

 

[Nyob]

The thing is that most of the Bishops and the Clerical Establishment are deseparate to have the respect or at least not be totally rejected by the Rulings Elites- if Jambo was in charge they would be singing the praises of Richard Lynn and Mark Collett. They are looking for pats on the head by the "Irish Times" which is why they say stuff on immigration that pleases roc_ and annoys you.

I don't sing the praises of Richard Lynn and Mark Collett

I sing the praises of race realism and (ethnic) nationalism

You seem to have difficulty separating the abstract from the individual

Would you consider that to be a low IQ trait?

 

[Tiger]

“And the spammer of the year award goes to…”

 

[Nyob]

“And the spammer of the year award goes to…”

The lack of self-awareness is rather hilarious.. Almost every post

 

[céline]

I don't think immigration is as much of a problem as Jewish control over this island.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

That's it. I've lost all respect I had for Tiger.

I can stand many things but not cowardice.

What a weasel.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Republicanism was set in train by Protestants. Your Catholic hero O'Connell kept all his life a rifle over the fire in Derrynane that was used to hunt 1798 rebels. The Loyal Lawyers Militia was his unit in 1798. Not for him a Wolfe Tone or a Henry Joy or a Roddy McCorley.

That halfwit thinks Irish Nationalism began in 1916

I mean how dense do you have to be?

Meanwhile, you accuse me of “shoehorning” Catholicism into nationalism—as if Irish nationalism wasn’t formed in the furnace of the Catholic soul. The Proclamation of 1916 name-dropped God in its opening breath. The men who died in the GPO didn’t do so to be replaced by a "pagan content creator" with a GoFundMe.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

You seem to have difficulty separating the abstract from the individual

I don't but you average Priest in contemporary Ireland does.

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

I am an Irishman second: I am a Catholic first…. If the [Roman Catholic] hierarchy give me any direction with regard to Catholic social teaching or Catholic moral teaching, I accept without qualification in all respects the reaching of the hierarchy and the church to which I belong.


The words of John A Costello.

The pinnacle of the Catholic Irish State in the late 40s and early 50s

The population of the State was 2.8 million, the lowest point in its history.

Are we to believe that a catholic state would effectively end mass immigration into the country when they failed so pitifully to end mass emigration out of the country?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

At the funeral of Ireland's first President that little po faced runt Costello and his cabinet stood outside in the rain rather than go into the Protestant church.

The only Cabinet Minister who went in was Noel Browne who himself was being destroyed by the RC church.

 

[Tiger]

That's it. I've lost all respect I had for Tiger.

I can stand many things but not cowardice.

What a weasel.

Grow up Myles, your question was hopeless and got lost in the back and forth with others.

Like some knacker in a council estate bookies, you blurted out some shite like - “every priest and bishop in Ireland supports mass immigration” line — a sweeping claim without a shred of evidence. Not a quote, not a document, not even a name. Just something you pulled from thin air and hoped would pass as gospel. That kind of argument wouldn’t pass muster in a pub debate, let alone serious discourse.

And even if some tracksuit wearing, fake mitre-wearing NGO clerics did mouth those lines, they don’t represent the Church in any meaningful sense — they represent what Belloc rightly feared: the Church hollowed out and worn like a skin-suit by those who serve Caesar, not Christ. You're not referring to the Mystical Body of Christ but to the Ape of the Church, the counterfeit, whose liturgy is PR statements and whose altar is the Brussels parliament.

In fact, as the OP rightly pointed out when it referred to our post Catholic era, it’s precisely this Ape — this twisted imitation — that has given rise to our post-Catholic Ireland, a husk of a nation where self-hatred festers, and spiritual vacancy has left us wide open to a managed replacement. Without the Faith, there is no resistance — just slogans about “compassion” as the country is spiritually and demographically disassembled.

And even if every phoney weak bishop in the land held hands and sang “We Are the World,” it wouldn’t change the fact that the actual Catholic tradition—from St. Thomas to Pius XII—teaches the duty to safeguard national identity and the common good, not surrender your homeland on the altar of guilt politics. They’ve spent a millennium defending the entirety of Europe from Muslim invaders.

So unless you’ve got a quote, a policy, or a bishop with legislative power—your argument boils down to: “I think some men in costume robes might have parroted the UN, therefore open borders are Catholic’s fault…not those Godless politicians and NGO’s who are actually running the show…..for eh.....reasons and shit"

 

[Nyob]

I don't but you average Priest in contemporary Ireland does.

Well I don't have any priests (who tell me how to think) and that's the sort of crap Gowl & roc would go on about

 

[Nyob]

Grow up Myles, your question was hopeless and got lost in the back and forth with others.

Typical Tiger tactic there.. This ultimately leads him to not believe that he's in a conversation with anyone, they're just spammers

Like some knacker in a council estate bookies, you blurted out some shite like - “every priest and bishop in Ireland supports mass immigration” line — a sweeping claim without a shred of evidence. Not a quote, not a document, not even a name. Just something you pulled from thin air and hoped would pass as gospel. That kind of argument wouldn’t pass muster in a pub debate, let alone serious discourse.

And even if some tracksuit wearing, fake mitre-wearing NGO clerics did mouth those lines, they don’t represent the Church in any meaningful sense — they represent what Belloc rightly feared: the Church hollowed out and worn like a skin-suit by those who serve Caesar, not Christ. You're not referring to the Mystical Body of Christ but to the Ape of the Church, the counterfeit, whose liturgy is PR statements and whose altar is the Brussels parliament.

In fact, as the OP rightly pointed out when it referred to our post Catholic era, it’s precisely this Ape — this twisted imitation — that has given rise to our post-Catholic Ireland, a husk of a nation where self-hatred festers, and spiritual vacancy has left us wide open to a managed replacement. Without the Faith, there is no resistance — just slogans about “compassion” as the country is spiritually and demographically disassembled.

And even if every phoney weak bishop in the land held hands and sang “We Are the World,” it wouldn’t change the fact that the actual Catholic tradition—from St. Thomas to Pius XII—teaches the duty to safeguard national identity and the common good, not surrender your homeland on the altar of guilt politics. They’ve spent a millennium defending the entirety of Europe from Muslim invaders.

So unless you’ve got a quote, a policy, or a bishop with legislative power—your argument boils down to: “I think some men in costume robes might have parroted the UN, therefore open borders are Catholic’s fault…not those Godless politicians and NGO’s who are actually running the show…..for eh.....reasons and shit"

The Church is not opposed to mass immigration, the Church chastises political leaders (e.g. Orban) who are

You're (absolutist) thesis is a baseless claim, I'm not sure anyone agrees with you

 

[Tiger]

Typical Tiger tactic there.. This ultimately leads him to not believe that he's in a conversation with anyone, they're just spammers


The Church is not opposed to mass immigration, the Church chastises political leaders (e.g. Orban) who are

You're (absolutist) thesis is a baseless claim, I'm not sure anyone agrees with you

Ah yes Jimmy, another lungful of sweet, sweet copium — the kind that lets a man confuse the opinions of NGOs in vestments with the perennial teachings of the Catholic Church. It’s like quoting a UN memo and mistaking it for a Gospel.

Let’s get back to grown-up talk:

Who exactly is organizing and pushing mass immigration into Ireland?

Is it the few priests still muttering Latin in moldy chapels?
Is it the rosary-clutching old women at Knock?
Of course not. It’s the NGOs, Brussels bureaucrats, hedge-funded think tanks, and their well-coiffed puppets in Leinster House — all of them deeply secular, deeply liberal, and violently allergic to actual Catholicism.

Now you’ve latched onto the line that “the Church supports mass immigration.” No, lad — the Ape of the Church does. That’s not a quaint metaphor. It’s a precise term from Catholic tradition: a false church that mimics the outer garments of Catholicism while teaching the exact opposite of it.

Had you read more than Twitter posts, you’d know the real Church’s traditional view is far from open-border kumbaya. Try these on for size:

“The unity of a nation... would be broken if it were to welcome indiscriminately every foreigner.”
— Pope Pius XII, Exsul Familia (1952)

“A state is not obliged to welcome foreigners who would be detrimental to the common good.”
— St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, I-II, Q. 105

“It is an error to think that the Church, by virtue of her universality, is opposed to patriotism…”
— Pope Leo XIII, Sapientiae Christianae (1890)

Historically, Irish Catholic thinkers were in full agreement. Archbishop John MacHale, the Lion of Tuam, thundered against English colonial displacement and defended Ireland’s right to remain culturally and spiritually intact. Fr. Peter O’Leary warned of “foreign tongues and customs overwhelming our own.”

Meanwhile, the modern bishops you refer to — the ones who write love letters to the UN and apologise to the gods of inclusivity — are not the Catholic Church. They’re middle managers in a multinational soft-power racket.

So let’s try this again:
The collapse of Catholicism created the void of belief, identity, and meaning in Ireland. That vacuum was filled — surprise, surprise — by the gospel of globalism. And you still haven’t named a single prominent Godless figure actively resisting the replacement agenda.

None. Zero. Zilch.

 

[Nyob]

Ah yes Jimmy, another lungful of sweet, sweet copium — the kind that lets a man confuse the opinions of NGOs in vestments with the perennial teachings of the Catholic Church. It’s like quoting a UN memo and mistaking it for a Gospel.

Are these tedious introductory paragraphs really necessary?

Let’s get back to grown-up talk:

Who exactly is organizing and pushing mass immigration into Ireland?

Is it the few priests still muttering Latin in moldy chapels?
Is it the rosary-clutching old women at Knock?
Of course not. It’s the NGOs, Brussels bureaucrats, hedge-funded think tanks, and their well-coiffed puppets in Leinster House — all of them deeply secular, deeply liberal, and violently allergic to actual Catholicism.

Now you’ve latched onto the line that “the Church supports mass immigration.” No, lad — the Ape of the Church does. That’s not a quaint metaphor. It’s a precise term from Catholic tradition: a false church that mimics the outer garments of Catholicism while teaching the exact opposite of it.

Had you read more than Twitter posts, you’d know the real Church’s traditional view is far from open-border kumbaya. Try these on for size:




Historically, Irish Catholic thinkers were in full agreement. Archbishop John MacHale, the Lion of Tuam, thundered against English colonial displacement and defended Ireland’s right to remain culturally and spiritually intact. Fr. Peter O’Leary warned of “foreign tongues and customs overwhelming our own.”

Meanwhile, the modern bishops you refer to — the ones who write love letters to the UN and apologise to the gods of inclusivity — are not the Catholic Church. They’re middle managers in a multinational soft-power racket.

So let’s try this again:
The collapse of Catholicism created the void of belief, identity, and meaning in Ireland. That vacuum was filled — surprise, surprise — by the gospel of globalism.

And I still haven’t named a single prominent Godful figure actively resisting the replacement agenda.

None. Zero. Zilch.

Exactly, that's what people keep on telling you

 

[Tiger]

Are these tedious introductory paragraphs really necessary?



Exactly, that's what people keep on telling you

 

[Nyob]

Typical Tiger tactic there.. This ultimately leads him to not believe that he's in a conversation with anyone, they're just spammers

QED

Let's try to put it into terms you (still won't) understand

You're asking someone to name a prominent Godless nationalist (which I have) resisting the replacement agenda but you can't name any - drawing from the pool of Godless and Godful, why? According to you, that pool numbers zero

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Grow up Myles, your question was hopeless and got lost in the back and forth with others.Like some knacker in a council estate bookies, you blurted out some shite like - “every priest and bishop in Ireland supports mass immigration” line — a sweeping claim without a shred of evidence. Not a quote, not a document, not even a name. Just something you pulled from thin air and hoped would pass as gospel. That kind of argument wouldn’t pass muster in a pub debate, let alone serious discourse.And even if some tracksuit wearing, fake mitre-wearing NGO clerics did mouth those lines, they don’t represent the Church in any meaningful sense — they represent what Belloc rightly feared: the Church hollowed out and worn like a skin-suit by those who serve Caesar, not Christ. You're not referring to the Mystical Body of Christ but to the Ape of the Church, the counterfeit, whose liturgy is PR statements and whose altar is the Brussels parliament.In fact, as the OP rightly pointed out when it referred to our post Catholic era, it’s precisely this Ape — this twisted imitation — that has given rise to our post-Catholic Ireland, a husk of a nation where self-hatred festers, and spiritual vacancy has left us wide open to a managed replacement. Without the Faith, there is no resistance — just slogans about “compassion” as the country is spiritually and demographically disassembled.And even if every phoney weak bishop in the land held hands and sang “We Are the World,” it wouldn’t change the fact that the actual Catholic tradition—from St. Thomas to Pius XII—teaches the duty to safeguard national identity and the common good, not surrender your homeland on the altar of guilt politics. They’ve spent a millennium defending the entirety of Europe from Muslim invaders.So unless you’ve got a quote, a policy, or a bishop with legislative power—your argument boils down to: “I think some men in costume robes might have parroted the UN, therefore open borders are Catholic’s fault…not those Godless politicians and NGO’s who are actually running the show…..for eh.....reasons and shit"

You, my friend, are away with the fairies.

 

[Tiger]

You, my friend, are away with the fairies.

I’ll take that as a compliment from the chap who nearly killed himself through alcohol abuse and then claimed booze never did him any harm.