To The Moon

Jarry said:
Incorrect. The designs and research was infamously leaked to the Russians.
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The point is that people working within an organisation can be working on something without knowing what people in other departments are doing or what the overall objective is. Manhattan Project is an example of that, regardless of Russian leaks.
 
Hermit said:
Manhattan Project is an example of that, regardless of Russian leaks.
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Yet the closest held secret the US had in WW2 still leaked.

When Truman revealed the existence of the A-Bomb to Stalin, Stalin already knew.
 
Jarry said:
Yet the closest held secret the US had in WW2 still leaked.

When Truman revealed the existence of the A-Bomb to Stalin, Stalin already knew.
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But that is nothing to do with the point that Hermit was making you blubbering ponce.
 
Mad as Fish said:
But that is nothing to do with the point that Hermit was making you blubbering ponce.
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He misses the point that things still leak. He's actually still incorrect anyway, as the physicists in Los Alamos knew all the details. They had to, they directed the designs and material specifications needed.
 
Jarry said:
Yet the closest held secret the US had in WW2 still leaked.

When Truman revealed the existence of the A-Bomb to Stalin, Stalin already knew.
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Truman himself did not know til he became President.
 
Jarry said:
He misses the point that things still leak. He's actually still incorrect anyway, as the physicists in Los Alamos knew all the details. They had to, they directed the designs and material specifications needed.
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Los Almos was well away from anywhere for good reason. The nuclear bomb was a massive and genuine game changer so of course Russia wanted to know all about it and a British scientist forwarded the details.

Russia may well have had the low down on what NASA was up to but decided not too make a fuss, why should they? Was anybody going to believe a whistleblower back then anyway, the MSM was just as bad then as it is now and wouldn't go rocking the boat.
 
Jarry said:
He was German, not British. But he came over to the US as part of the British Tube Alloys delegation to Los Alamos.
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So what?

Anyway, even if there was a NASA whistleblower what hope had he of being heard or believed?
 
Mad as Fish said:
So what?
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You were wrong.

Mad as Fish said:
Anyway, even if there was a NASA whistleblower what hope had he of being heard or believed?
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Depends on the evidence. Fuchs leaked designs, documentation and calculations that could be tested and evaluated and found to be verified independently.

A NASA whistle-blower could do the same. In fact anyone in the hundreds of subcontractors could do that, then or since.
 
And McArthur knew nothing of it til days before it was delivered to the area for loading
 
Jarry said:
You were wrong.


Depends on the evidence. Fuchs leaked designs, documentation and calculations that could be tested and evaluated and found to be verified independently.

A NASA whistle-blower could do the same. In fact anyone in the hundreds of subcontractors could do that, then or since.
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Honestly, if you have to employ such feeble attempts to somehow mark yourself as being clever then the joke is on you. He was there as part of the British contingent, do you honestly think the Americans gave a flying fig about his country of birth?

You never fail to surprise me with your stupidity.
 
Jarry said:
You were wrong.


Depends on the evidence. Fuchs leaked designs, documentation and calculations that could be tested and evaluated and found to be verified independently.

A NASA whistle-blower could do the same. In fact anyone in the hundreds of subcontractors could do that, then or since.
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Well of course a whistleblower could, but as I have asked three times now, why should the Russians make a fuss about it and who would believe him anyway?
 
Mad as Fish said:
why should the Russians make a fuss about it
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You see, there was this thing going on called the Cold War where the West and Communist countries were battling for ideological and technological dominance. You may have heard of it.

The USSR was first to put a satellite in space, first to put a human in space, first probe on the moon, first to do a space walk. But they then fell behind the US in the late sixties and their own N1 rocket wasn't faring so well.

So getting incontrovertible evidence that the US efforts were being faked would have been a massive propaganda coup, both in the Space Race and the larger picture where the USSR was facing off the US all over the world.
 
Jarry said:
They didn't.

You said he was British. He wasn't.
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Lordy lord, you are one stupid little CW clone desperately nit picking in a bid to make yourself look clever.

He was part of the British contingent FFS!
 
Jarry said:
You see, there was this thing going on called the Cold War where the West and Communist countries were battling for ideological and technological dominance. You may have heard of it.

The USSR was first to put a satellite in space, first to put a human in space, first probe on the moon, first to do a space walk. But they then fell behind the US in the late sixties and their own N1 rocket wasn't faring so well.

So getting incontrovertible evidence that the US efforts were being faked would have been a massive propaganda coup, both in the Space Race and the larger picture where the USSR was facing off the US all over the world.
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I doubt it, who was going to believe Russia even? As you have just discovered, there was the cold war going on, do you honestly think the western media would have carried the story without screaming that it was simply jealousy on Russia's part?
 
Jarry said:
They certainly were not on friendly terms after 1945.
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Well why then did we sustain them with billions of dollars and millions of tons of grain.
 
Mad as Fish said:
I doubt it, who was going to believe Russia even? As you have just discovered, there was the cold war going on, do you honestly think the western media would have carried the story without screaming that it was simply jealousy on Russia's part?
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Oh the Western media would have tried all sorts of things I'm sure.

But there was a lot of support for the USSR in Africa and the Middle East, and in the so-called Non-Aligned Movement generally. SE Asia was already going Communist and the US was fighting a certain losing war there. A lot of countries would have been sympathetic to the USSR message that the US was faking the moon shot.
 
Declan said:
Well why then did we sustain them with billions of dollars and millions of tons of grain.
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Grain sales were a useful way for the US to have leverage over the USSR, and a good way of draining it of foreign capital.
 
Wolf said:
That you have to post that shows the childlike level of pettiness Comical Jarry is at.
So funny reading these idiot jewbot's nonsense as they make tits of themselves getting the last word.:)
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So I'm not on ignore am I? :LOL:
 
Jarry said:
Grain sales were a useful way for the US to have leverage over the USSR, and a good way of draining it of foreign capital.
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lol. Sure
 
Declan said:
lol. Sure
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Lol.


"President Carter announced last night a sharp reduction in the shipment of American grain to the Soviet Union as well as other trade and diplomatic curtailments in response to what he called the Soviets' "callous violation of internation law" by their invasion of Afghanistan."


"In a move that may mean the Soviet Union is running low on cash, the Moscow government has begun financing its purchases of grain in this country with short-term loans from U.S. commercial banks, trade sources reported yesterday.

The reliance on credit in its grain dealings is an unusual development, since the Soviet Union usually pays cash."
 
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David has been banned said:
Do you realise, if we were in a court of law, I was a barrister, you were a self-testifying witness.. I'd simply ask you the question again.. and the judge would then instruct you to answer.

So answer the (simple) question I asked you, you evasive cunt.
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Oh, so we are in a court now are we, what the feck are you smoking?
 
Jarry said:
Yet the closest held secret the US had in WW2 still leaked.

When Truman revealed the existence of the A-Bomb to Stalin, Stalin already knew.
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You know I wasn't making a point about leaks, my point was about compartmentalisation. Everyone who has ever had a job in an organisation will understand that they are not privy to everything their superiors or colleagues do.

But speaking of leaks, here's a NASA whistleblower for you, a former artist at NASA:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdvbUhdKhlI


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFcgwgkXG6M
 
Hermit said:
I wasn't making a point about leaks, my point was about compartmentalisation
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Compartmentalisation is meant to prevent leaks, or to only allow leaks of certain data that is not sufficient to understand the nature of tge overall project or initiative.
But as discussed, there is still a top level authority where the data is assimilated or collected. And when that leaks, its all over.
 
Jarry said:
Moscow government has begun financing its purchases of grain in this country with short-term loans from U.S. commercial banks, trade sources reported yesterday.
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Thanks for proving me right.
 
Jarry said:
Compartmentalisation is meant to prevent leaks, or to only allow leaks of certain data that is not sufficient to understand the nature of tge overall project or initiative.
But as discussed, there is still a top level authority where the data is assimilated or collected. And when that leaks, its all over.
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Compartmentalisation may or may not prevent leaks. The point is that, due to compartmentalisation, it is possible for employees to be unaware of what other employees are working on. This refutes the claim that everyone working at NASA would have to know about the moon landing hoax and that they are all in all the conspiracy.

Jarry said:
When was he a NASA employee?
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Early 2000s if I remember correctly. He started producing flat earth videos c. 2012 so he was well ahead of Eric Dubay.
 
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