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I agree, people are in denial that Russia won but nobody is blind to the fact that the ukrainian people lost. They have lost up to 400000 casualties. This is almost of the Battle of the Somme scale.

There misfortune was that they allowed the overthrow of the government to take place in 2014. They took "the king's shilling" for 8 years and thought it was great to build a military 0f 700000, when the place was dirt poor. The lugs.


The sad part is, the next place will not learn from their mistake, the poles are traditionally viewed as being as dumb as fuck so a few F-35s should be enough to get a million of them killed.

We shall see now, as the ukes are all done.
The poles are the pyrotechnics of Europe.
they occupied 3 German provinces before WW2 and taunted the Germans and put Germans in concentration camps and murdered and abused them for sport .
Hitler invaded GERMANY as Prussia and east Prussia and Danzig are 99% German and always have been .
i went to the trouble of getting a book of the diplomatic letters exchanged between them as i wanted to know for sure what happened,
Poland had a guarantee from the British to invade and they used this to taunt and murder Germans .
the country which invaded Poland 10 days later was Russia --nobody went to war against Russia .
in the past 2 months the poles have offered to host nuclear weapons for the USA -- mad stuff.
 

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The poles are the pyrotechnics of Europe.
they occupied 3 German provinces before WW2 and taunted the Germans and put Germans in concentration camps and murdered and abused them for sport .
Hitler invaded GERMANY as Prussia and east Prussia and Danzig are 99% German and always have been .
i went to the trouble of getting a book of the diplomatic letters exchanged between them as i wanted to know for sure what happened,
Poland had a guarantee from the British to invade and they used this to taunt and murder Germans .
the country which invaded Poland 10 days later was Russia --nobody went to war against Russia .
in the past 2 months the poles have offered to host nuclear weapons for the USA -- mad stuff.
what was the book you reference? Sounds interesting

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Heading for autumn now.
How's Zitler's 'spring offensive' going?

Tell ya what, if that's an offensive.....I'm offended.😂😂🤣🤣🤡🤡
 

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View: https://youtu.be/ROACj9UdxTA


While this deluded talk of Ukraine joining nato continues, then the Russians will press on and actually remove the government in Ukraine.
Zellensky will be wondering how he will survive through the winter, if he gets that far.
 

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View: https://youtu.be/ROACj9UdxTA


While this deluded talk of Ukraine joining nato continues, then the Russians will press on and actually remove the government in Ukraine.
Zellensky will be wondering how he will survive through the winter, if he gets that far.

Is that the 'protector of democracy', Zelensky?
The one who has banned 13 opposition political parties and is refusing to hold elections?
That Zelensky?
 

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While this deluded talk of Ukraine joining nato continues, then the Russians will press on and actually remove the government in Ukraine.
Zellensky will be wondering how he will survive through the winter, if he gets that far.

Nato's masters realise they must withdraw - they cannot win but an incinerated crater - The whole Ukrainian Victory project was based on crack cocaine pipe dreams and greed. Now they realise that escalations will guarantee eventual attacks upon their Nato territories because they have pushed Russia too far. time for de-escalation before it's too late even for western Ukraine.
Live to fight another day another way.:unsure:

ETA: only got 1:30 into the vid - He needs to produce 10:00min sections or indicate the bullet points for interests sake.
 

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Nato's masters realise they must withdraw - they cannot win but an incinerated crater - The whole Ukrainian Victory project was based on crack cocaine pipe dreams and greed. Now they realise that escalations will guarantee eventual attacks upon their Nato territories because they have pushed Russia too far. time for de-escalation before it's too late even for western Ukraine.
Live to fight another day another way.:unsure:

ETA: only got 1:30 into the vid - He needs to produce 10:00min sections or indicate the bullet points for interests sake.
I agree 10 minutes is enough and it is the same every day, just another 300 dead ukes or whatever the daily figure is
 

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Russian sources say that it is real panic in Kiev now after NATO proposed them to surrender territories to Russia in exchange for membership
Zelensky now will burn all reserves to show that he has just achieved something
Time is running out and within a few weeks armor wont be capable to move
There are reports that a few brigades equipped by Challengers, Strikers, and other NATO armor, initially planned to fast advance behind the Russian principal line of defense, now moved to the frontline
 

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Russian sources say that it is real panic in Kiev now after NATO proposed them to surrender territories to Russia in exchange for membership
Zelensky now will burn all reserves to show that he has just achieved something
Time is running out and within a few weeks armor wont be capable to move
There are reports that a few brigades equipped by Challengers, Strikers, and other NATO armor, initially planned to fast advance behind the Russian principal line of defense, now moved to the frontline
The last stings of the dying Uki Nazi wasp.
 

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Declan, I've seen all sorts of garbage here about biolabs and human organ trafficking.

But you have a problem with actual news?

Bad decisions have real world impacts you know.

The Pentagon has already confirmed the existence of US-funded biolabs in Ukraine. You'd know this if you stepped out of your algorithmic bubble occasionally.

 

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Declan, I've seen all sorts of garbage here about biolabs and human organ trafficking.

But you have a problem with actual news?

Bad decisions have real world impacts you know.
You are talking about a sex offender out of an army of 2 million. And we are well aware of the biolabs. And the Ukraine was also a destination for cia rendition torture.
I hope putin takes it all now.
 

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Anything else I can help you with today?

Need help crossing the street?
 

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This has nothing to do with Wolf and I'm just glad he's stopped posting his vile accusations.
Everyone now knows you're a pervert/pedo Charlotte so I don't need to keep repeating it.
New members will be informed.
 

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"The United States is in full compliance with its obligations under the
Convention. The United States unilaterally renounced biological weapons (BW) in
1969 and completed the elimination of its BW program prior to entry into force of
the BWC, as reported in Form F of the Confidence-Building Measures. All the
biological-related activities of the United States are for peaceful purposes and fully
consistent with its obligations under the Convention. This includes the capacitybuilding
programs questioned by the Russian Federation.
For more than 30 years, the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) has
implemented the Cooperative Threat Reduction (CTR) Program, initially created to
consolidate, secure, and eliminate weapons of mass destruction (WMD)-related
materials and infrastructure in states of the former Soviet Union, including the
Russian Federation. Today, the DoD CTR Program helps more than 30 partner
nations to improve their ability to detect, diagnose, and report infectious disease
outbreaks caused by human and animal pathogens and to improve biosafety and
biosecurity at facilities that handle those pathogens. The DoD CTR Program
provides assistance and capabilities to partners through activities such as
workforce development, equipment upgrades, and physical infrastructure
projects. CTR-supported laboratories have often proved instrumental in providing
critical support during the COVID-19 pandemic, such as diagnostic testing and
analyzing of samples, and have led the way in building domestic capacity for
enhanced disease monitoring, public and animal health initiatives, and the training
of front-line biosecurity experts.
The Russian Federation itself was the foundational partner of the DoD CTR
Program. Pursuant to the 1992 Agreement Between the United States of America
and the Russian Federation Concerning the Safe and Secure Transportation,
Storage and Destruction of Weapons and the Prevention of Weapons Proliferation,
as amended and extended, the Russian Federation engaged in cooperative activities
with the DoD CTR Program for 21 years.
These activities included collaborative
biological research (such as biosurveillance studies on zoonotic infectious
diseases) and laboratory biosafety and biosecurity upgrades.
Like those
cooperative efforts with the Russian Federation, U.S. cooperation with Ukraine and
other countries today is fully consistent with the BWC and is one of the many ways
in which the United States fulfills its obligations under the international
cooperation and assistance provisions of the Convention (Article X).
In advance of the consultative meeting, the United States is providing this
written response to the June 13 Aide Memoire of the Russian Federation. At the
consultative meeting, U.S. and Ukrainian technical experts will present a more
detailed briefing to jointly respond to and rebut Russia’s unfounded assertions."

Opps.
Not a single independent thought or idea of your own, Charlotte.
How does it feel to be so vacuous?

You're a right busy little bot this morning, what's up, the insomnia again?
 
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We are well aware the problem is far larger than that, as I pointed out some time ago. Russian society is broken from endemic child abuse and neglect. I'm happy to bring all that up again if you want, but I doubt you do.
Always obsessing about that one soldier and child sex abuse.
Looks like child sexual abuse is you're first waking thought every day.
That is not normal, Charlotte.
 

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"The United States is in full compliance with its obligations under the
Convention. The United States unilaterally renounced biological weapons (BW) in
1969 and completed the elimination of its BW program prior to entry into force of
the BWC, as reported in Form F of the Confidence-Building Measures. All the
biological-related activities of the United States are for peaceful purposes and fully
consistent with its obligations under the Convention. This includes the capacitybuilding
programs questioned by the Russian Federation.
For more than 30 years, the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) has
implemented the Cooperative Threat Reduction (CTR) Program, initially created to
consolidate, secure, and eliminate weapons of mass destruction (WMD)-related
materials and infrastructure in states of the former Soviet Union, including the
Russian Federation. Today, the DoD CTR Program helps more than 30 partner
nations to improve their ability to detect, diagnose, and report infectious disease
outbreaks caused by human and animal pathogens and to improve biosafety and
biosecurity at facilities that handle those pathogens. The DoD CTR Program
provides assistance and capabilities to partners through activities such as
workforce development, equipment upgrades, and physical infrastructure
projects. CTR-supported laboratories have often proved instrumental in providing
critical support during the COVID-19 pandemic, such as diagnostic testing and
analyzing of samples, and have led the way in building domestic capacity for
enhanced disease monitoring, public and animal health initiatives, and the training
of front-line biosecurity experts.
The Russian Federation itself was the foundational partner of the DoD CTR
Program. Pursuant to the 1992 Agreement Between the United States of America
and the Russian Federation Concerning the Safe and Secure Transportation,
Storage and Destruction of Weapons and the Prevention of Weapons Proliferation,
as amended and extended, the Russian Federation engaged in cooperative activities
with the DoD CTR Program for 21 years.
These activities included collaborative
biological research (such as biosurveillance studies on zoonotic infectious
diseases) and laboratory biosafety and biosecurity upgrades.
Like those
cooperative efforts with the Russian Federation, U.S. cooperation with Ukraine and
other countries today is fully consistent with the BWC and is one of the many ways
in which the United States fulfills its obligations under the international
cooperation and assistance provisions of the Convention (Article X).
In advance of the consultative meeting, the United States is providing this
written response to the June 13 Aide Memoire of the Russian Federation. At the
consultative meeting, U.S. and Ukrainian technical experts will present a more
detailed briefing to jointly respond to and rebut Russia’s unfounded assertions."

Opps.
You're not very good at this, are you?

I'm not sure how why (or how) you think randomly bolding a snippet of text which does not to refute the ultimate point of contention--and is merely tangential to it at best--is some kind of win, or invalidates it. Did you not read the first quarter? On top of that, you can't process basic logical syntax in a time-relative way. Let's assume that the highlighted text is not misrepresented; what would that even mean? Why would assume that it is therefore implicitly true that the US has not/is not funding bioresearch for weaponized purposes in Ukraine? Are we meant to just take this on faith? Certainly Russia alleges differently. Why is Nuland--an infamous psychopath, spook and warhawk, so concerned with these supposedly innocuous labs falling into Russian hands? What's the problem?

The scope of the work undertaken is broad. It includes the safe and secure transportation of weaponry etc. How do we know that the bioresearch component of those process wasn't a feature of these programs Russia was involved with, and that the language of this text hasn't simply cleverly parsed or failed to parse this out?

Here's what we know:

A) The US funded Biolabs in Ukraine, and continues to.
B) Nuland doesn't like that whatever they were doing in these labs might fall into Russian hands.

So the claim made by myself and Declan that the US was and is funding labs in Ukraine is true. It is a fact. Is it not? Regardless of whether Russia is lying about the intentions and of, and form of research being done in these labs notwithstanding, that fact remains true. Maybe that research is and was benign. Maybe not.

You'd have never made a Lawyer, MIA2.
 

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It's turns out this was the CTR Program all along.

:rolleyes:
What you don't understand, because you can't think more than move ahead, is that even if this is accurate, it neither matters nor proves nor disproves anything at all.
 

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You are talking about a sex offender out of an army of 2 million. And we are well aware of the biolabs. And the Ukraine was also a destination for cia rendition torture.
I hope putin takes it all now.
You will note in his reply to you that he's edited your post to suit his agenda.
The very same thing he went crying to you yesterday about.
I've done that once, Charlottesweb does it on almost every post.
 

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What you don't understand, because you can't think more than move ahead, is that even if this is accurate, it neither matters nor proves nor disproves anything at all.
It's like Fauci denying America was funding gain of function research in Wuhan.🤣
 

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What a fucking waste of time this entire hoax turned out to be. I now cannot believe a single thing the Russkiy Mir says. Credibility is completely torched.
Yep.
Terrible when posts get edited to suit, isn't it?😀
 

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You know, I can almost forgive you for this, because you've never really had to negotiate linguistic and syntactical trickey and nothing in your codemonkeying background would have prepared you for it. Indeed, it likely made you incredibly susceptible to it.

Edit: It would appear, after doing 2 minutes of research, that I was in fact correct and the above paragraph is entirely apt. Russia hasn't had any involvement with Nunn-Lugar, or even its successor since 2014. Interesting date. Does it ring any bells?

To wit:

For more than 20 years, the United States and Russia worked together to improve the security of nuclear weapons and weapons-usable materials at nearly 150 sites in dozens of countries. They also converted 500 metric tons of highly enriched uranium from Russian nuclear warheads to reactor fuel, which provided Americans with electricity; turning megatons to megawatts.

In October 2012, Russia rejected a U.S. proposal to renew the CTR agreement, stating that CTR was “not consistent with our ideas about what forms and on what basis further cooperation should be built.” Three days prior to the expiration of the Nunn-Lugar umbrella agreement, Presidents Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin reached an agreement to continue U.S.-Russian nuclear security efforts, albeit in a truncated form. This new arrangement operates under the 2003 “Framework Agreement on a Multilateral Nuclear Environmental Programme in the Russian Federation (MNEPR),” and a related protocol signed on June 14, 2013. Under the new framework, the United States was able to continue most of its nuclear security-related work, but ceased joint efforts pertaining to the dismantling of missiles, bombers, and chemical weapons. Russia had assumed responsibility, financial and otherwise, for carrying out the latter three dismantlement efforts.

MNEPR and the Invasion of Ukraine in 2014 and 2022

Following Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014, U.S.-Russian cooperation was suspended and faces legislative restrictions to resume cooperation within Russia. Even during this time of turmoil, Russia and the United States continued to cooperate to remove highly enriched uranium from third countries, including Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Georgia.


This text, please not, makes no mention of biolabs.Whatever extremely limited role Russia has in any kind of treaty with the US, it appears to limited to the removal of nuclear material from volatile nation states. We knowe the labs exist because Nuland is afraid of Russia seizing them.

So No. Russia is not, and has not been involved with whatever those labs in Ukraine are doing for a long time. During that time, whatever has been happening in those labs has been happening under US control and outside the scrutiny of Russia.
 

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Can we get on to organ trafficking now? :rolleyes:
I'd need far better evidence that organ trafficking has been occurring, but it would shock me? Fuck no. It's real, and perniciously corrupt, tinpot backwater eastern Europoor shitholes like Ukraine are exactly the kinds of places I'd expect it to happen.

As for the former subject, don't just take white papers on face value. They're almost always editorialised.
 

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I'd need far better evidence that organ trafficking has been occurring, but it would shock me? Fuck no. It's real, and perniciously corrupt, tinpot backwater eastern Europoor shitholes like Ukraine are exactly the kinds of places I'd expect it to happen.

As for the former subject, don't just take white papers on face value. They're almost always editorialised.
The sick countries that one idolises, USA and Ukraine are the centre of the universe when it comes to child and organ trafficking.

Everything we see from it here is projection, what it accuses Russia of is actually what it supports in Ukraine and in the USA.
 

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Absolutely. That's when Russia decided to go rogue.

The CTR is a massive, respected program spanning many countries. Its easy for the Russians to smear it when most people have never heard of it and even easier to get self-serving idiots to swallow their propaganda.

I'm really fucking annoyed actually. What a fucking waste of time this rabbit hole turned out to be.
*Shrugs*

Maybe, maybe not. When Russia conquers Ukraine, it will all come out in the wash I suppose. Or it won't. Who knows.
 

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You know, a large part of the reason I come here is to understand "the other side" as it were. So, on this thread, trying to understand if the Russians have legitimate concerns.

I'm now 100% convinced they don't. They have the same moral bankruptcy as any western nation. They are just out for themselves, like everyone else. Outrageous and easily debunked lies shred their credibility to zero. It's actually amazing that they think they can get away with it too.
Funny how you've never mentioned 'the moral bankruptcy as any western nation' before.

I presume you're including Ukraine and the USA in that too, the countries you back to the hilt?

See the hypocrisy as you pick and choose which country to be outraged by?

When you've 1,800 odd posts on here about the moral bankruptcy of Ukraine and 1,800 about the USA you might get some credibility.
 

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You know, a large part of the reason I come here is to understand "the other side" as it were. So, on this thread, trying to understand if the Russians have legitimate concerns.

I'm now 100% convinced they don't. They have the same moral bankruptcy as any western nation. They are just out for themselves, like everyone else. Outrageous and easily debunked lies shred their credibility to zero. It's actually amazing that they think they can get away with it too.
All sovereign states are out for themselves. I'm not arguing the case for the moral superiority of the Russian State. My point is that the US state is even worse than that, which is quite an achievement. Are Russian people in general morally superior to Americans? On balance, definitely. The cancer of CRT, rampant corporatism, technocracy, weebism and moral degeneracy that is destroying the US has not taken root there. And it's my hope none of it never does.

It's not that I think Russia is amazing. I support Russia in the sense that it is a necessary cantilever and check to American imperialism, and cancerous Americanism. It is a bastion the progressive left cannot touch.
 

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