Origins Thread

[AN2]

Apologies if I come across that way. I'm genuinely here to watch two of the world's foremost citizen philosopher-physicists solve the mystery of life, the universe and everything. I expect you both to crack it any day now, and for one of you to come around to the other's view. Either you'll become a born-again Christian, or Tiger will renounce his faith. Seems inevitable at this stage really.

Give it a rest you dildo

You're not remotely close to being as clever as you think you are

 

[AN2]

Dawkins shits all over IDiots -


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tSykr4-V_Bg

 

[AN2]

RICHARD Dawkins debates Judeo-Christian science teacher who, like @Tiger & @scolairebocht, thinks the World is only 6,000 years old -


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6xzaTyhRfzo

 

[Sound Man]

Dawkins shits all over IDiots -


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tSykr4-V_Bg

Dawkins shits all over himself.


View: https://youtu.be/BoncJBrrdQ8?si=Jk1OwEHgYDbtueUl

 

[AN2]

Dawkins shits all over himself.


View: https://youtu.be/BoncJBrrdQ8?si=Jk1OwEHgYDbtueUl

What you, and other anti-science beliebers, like @Tiger & @scolairebocht, I don't think will ever understand is that the answer - Don't know, is sufficient. And all the while, you offer your own certainty (to complete the irony)..

 

[Sound Man]

This colossal spoofer is a nothing burger when it comes to theology philosophy or just even plain old logic and reason. His waffling above is the ramblings of a second rate mind. He's a zoologist posing as a know all. This elitist goon is a pathetic faggotty gimp.

 

[AN2]

This colossal spoofer is a nothing burger when it comes to theology philosophy or just even plain old logic and reason. His waffling above is the ramblings of a second rate mind. He's a zoologist posing as a know all. This elitist goon is a pathetic faggotty gimp.

He offers facts. It's you who's waffling

Twas always thus

 

[Sound Man]

What you, and other anti-science beliebers, like @Tiger & @scolairebocht, I don't think will ever understand is that the answer - Don't know, is sufficient. And all the while, you offer your own certainty (to complete the irony)..

No. You have yet to learn the difference between science and scientism. I will help you with your learning difficulties - all of them. Here's your homework for tonight -

How words are manipulated to promote the cult of scientism & Q&A- 7/9/

In today’s webinar, Tom discussed how words are manipulated to promote the cult of scientism and held a Q&A with questions previously submitted to us from our community. Q&A topics included -DMSO -The mechanism of tumors -Epiphyseal zones -Deuterium depleted water & structured water -Thyroid...

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I want a five hundred word essay and five haikus on the above by the end of next week. Thanks.

 

[AN2]

No. You have yet to learn the difference between science and scientism.

"Scientism" is just a made up word like "Materialism" for beliebers like you

When you have anything to say about science then get back to me..

But you won't, because you're an ignoramus and proud of it, you're all the same, really

I will help you with your learning difficulties - all of them. Here's your homework for tonight -

How words are manipulated to promote the cult of scientism & Q&A- 7/9/

In today’s webinar, Tom discussed how words are manipulated to promote the cult of scientism and held a Q&A with questions previously submitted to us from our community. Q&A topics included -DMSO -The mechanism of tumors -Epiphyseal zones -Deuterium depleted water & structured water -Thyroid...

drtomcowan.com

I want a five hundred word essay and five haikus on the above by the end of next week. Thanks.

 

[AN2]

Dawkins shits all over himself.


View: https://youtu.be/BoncJBrrdQ8?si=Jk1OwEHgYDbtueUl

Your clip, which is taken from this film, is dumb btw

Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What Dawkins is referring to is something Tiggy talked about himself in the OP (of his anti-evolution/creationist/Intelligent Design thread)

Others believe that our existence is the result of extraterrestrial interventions, with beings from distant galaxies planting the seeds of life on earth.

Thread 'Origins Thread' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com/threads/origins-thread.639/

Commonly known as panspermia

Which doesn't infer any kind of supernatural intelligent designer

Once again, we see the abject, desperate dishonesty of FECs (it never ends)

 

[Tiger]

Dawkins shits all over himself.


View: https://youtu.be/BoncJBrrdQ8?si=Jk1OwEHgYDbtueUl

Of course he does. Dawkins is an outmoded spoofer.

Unfortunately, James, (despite being in his fifties) is still stuck in popular science from the mid 1990’s, which is why he clings to Dawkins.

James is an embarrassment to this site.

 

[AN2]

Of course he does. Dawkins is an outmoded spoofer.

Unfortunately, James, (despite being in his fifties) is still stuck in popular science from the mid 1990’s, which is why he clings to Dawkins.

James is an embarrassment to this site.

You're making literally no sense, as always

 

[AN2]

Your clip, which is taken from this film, is dumb btw

Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What Dawkins is referring to is something Tiggy talked about himself in the OP (of his anti-evolution/creationist/Intelligent Design thread)

Others believe that our existence is the result of extraterrestrial interventions, with beings from distant galaxies planting the seeds of life on earth.

Thread 'Origins Thread' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com/threads/origins-thread.639/

Commonly known as panspermia

I should say that Dawkins was talking about directed panspermia

Directed panspermia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

He (Dawkins) has always been incredibly polite to his idiotic @Tiger IQ interlocutors

Which doesn't infer any kind of supernatural intelligent designer

Once again, we see the abject, desperate dishonesty of FECs (it never ends)

 

[Haven]

Dawkins shits all over himself.


View: https://youtu.be/BoncJBrrdQ8?si=Jk1OwEHgYDbtueUl

Did you actually watch this?

He's not talking about supernatural causes Ie God. Thats the "Intelligent Design" we have come to know.

 

[AN2]

Did you actually watch this?

Neither did Tiger

 

[AN2]

Of course he does. Dawkins is an outmoded spoofer.

About what?

Unfortunately, James, (despite being in his fifties)

What's the relevance of how old I am?

is still stuck in popular science from the mid 1990’s, which is why he clings to Dawkins.

What exactly am I "clinging" to? I can only assume that you're talking about evolution. I'm aware of you posting stuff about "neo-Darwinism", another one of your trademark hopelessly inept, essentially nonexistent arguments. "Neo-Darwinism" is still evolution by natural selection, it does include what you call "macroevolution" (which you thought you had to explain the meaning of to me), or speciation. And the idea that you're up-to-date with all the modern genetics stuff in the theory of evolution because of all the books you've read is laughable on its face. You're a poster of links to articles with appealing headlines and YouTube videos by the likes of Daily Dose Of Wisdom Special Needs

James is an embarrassment to this site.

You've been on a hiding to nothing since you started your anti-evolution/ID thread and it's you who's the spoofer

 

[Wolf]

Of course he does. Dawkins is an outmoded spoofer.

Unfortunately, James, (despite being in his fifties) is still stuck in popular science from the mid 1990’s, which is why he clings to Dawkins.

James is an embarrassment to this site.

The thick cunt reckons I'm about 80......

 

[Tiger]

The thick cunt reckons I'm about 80......

He always revisits this thread when he’s lonely.

I’ve retired from debating myself, which is what every discussion I’ve had with him is. I make a statement about something and he asks endless questions and dodges questions like a professional question dodger.

 

[AN2]

He always revisits this thread when he’s lonely.

I’ve retired from debating myself,

WTF would you know about debating

which is what every discussion I’ve had with him is. I make a statement about something and he asks endless questions and dodges questions like a professional question dodger.

QED

 

[AN2]

I should say that Dawkins was talking about directed panspermia

Directed panspermia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

He (Dawkins) has always been incredibly polite to his idiotic @Tiger IQ interlocutors

So, I googled about this this morning and stumbled upon this on Reddit of Dawkins talking about the interview himself. The original page doesn't exist anymore (I'm sure it's a real transcription)..

I don't think that it's particularly "deceptive editing" btw, it's just Tiger-tier level dumb and anyone with a clue (which excludes @Sound Man) would have known what Dawkins was talking about..

I think the main thing you should note regarding deceptiveness with IDiots, from Tiger to Stephen C. Meyer, is that they won't just come out and say that the "intelligent designer" is their God

13y ago
It is the result of deceptive editing.

Dawkins writes at http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/2394

Toward the end of his interview with me, Stein asked whether I could think of any circumstances whatsoever under which intelligent design might have occurred. It's the kind of challenge I relish, and I set myself the task of imagining the most plausible scenario I could. I wanted to give ID its best shot, however poor that best shot might be. I must have been feeling magnanimous that day, because I was aware that the leading advocates of Intelligent Design are very fond of protesting that they are not talking about God as the designer, but about some unnamed and unspecified intelligence, which might even be an alien from another planet. Indeed, this is the only way they differentiate themselves from fundamentalist creationists, and they do it only when they need to, in order to weasel their way around church/state separation laws. So, bending over backwards to accommodate the IDiots ("oh NOOOOO, of course we aren't talking about God, this is SCIENCE") and bending over backwards to make the best case I could for intelligent design, I constructed a science fiction scenario. Like Michael Ruse (as I surmise) I still hadn't rumbled Stein, and I was charitable enough to think he was an honestly stupid man, sincerely seeking enlightenment from a scientist. I patiently explained to him that life could conceivably have been seeded on Earth by an alien intelligence from another planet (Francis Crick and Leslie Orgel suggested something similar -- semi tongue-in-cheek). The conclusion I was heading towards was that, even in the highly unlikely event that some such 'Directed Panspermia' was responsible for designing life on this planet, the alien beings would THEMSELVES have to have evolved, if not by Darwinian selection, by some equivalent 'crane' (to quote Dan Dennett). My point here was that design can never be an ULTIMATE explanation for organized complexity. Even if life on Earth was seeded by intelligent designers on another planet, and even if the alien life form was itself seeded four billion years earlier, the regress must ultimately be terminated (and we have only some 13 billion years to play with because of the finite age of the universe). Organized complexity cannot just spontaneously happen. That, for goodness sake, is the creationists' whole point, when they bang on about eyes and bacterial flagella! Evolution by natural selection is the only known process whereby organized complexity can ultimately come into being. Organized complexity -- and that includes everything capable of designing anything intelligently -- comes LATE into the universe. It cannot exist at the beginning, as I have explained again and again in my writings.


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueAtheism/comments/11punm/ben_stein_interviews_richard_dawkins_who_admits/

 

[clarke-connolly]

So, I googled about this this morning and stumbled upon this on Reddit of Dawkins talking about the interview himself. The original page doesn't exist anymore (I'm sure it's a real transcription)..

I don't think that it's particularly "deceptive editing" btw, it's just Tiger-tier level dumb and anyone with a clue (which excludes @Sound Man) would have known what Dawkins was talking about..

I think the main thing you should note regarding deceptiveness with IDiots, from Tiger to Stephen C. Meyer, is that they won't just come out and say that the "intelligent designer" is their God

13y ago
It is the result of deceptive editing.

Dawkins writes at http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/2394

Toward the end of his interview with me, Stein asked whether I could think of any circumstances whatsoever under which intelligent design might have occurred. It's the kind of challenge I relish, and I set myself the task of imagining the most plausible scenario I could. I wanted to give ID its best shot, however poor that best shot might be. I must have been feeling magnanimous that day, because I was aware that the leading advocates of Intelligent Design are very fond of protesting that they are not talking about God as the designer, but about some unnamed and unspecified intelligence, which might even be an alien from another planet. Indeed, this is the only way they differentiate themselves from fundamentalist creationists, and they do it only when they need to, in order to weasel their way around church/state separation laws. So, bending over backwards to accommodate the IDiots ("oh NOOOOO, of course we aren't talking about God, this is SCIENCE") and bending over backwards to make the best case I could for intelligent design, I constructed a science fiction scenario. Like Michael Ruse (as I surmise) I still hadn't rumbled Stein, and I was charitable enough to think he was an honestly stupid man, sincerely seeking enlightenment from a scientist. I patiently explained to him that life could conceivably have been seeded on Earth by an alien intelligence from another planet (Francis Crick and Leslie Orgel suggested something similar -- semi tongue-in-cheek). The conclusion I was heading towards was that, even in the highly unlikely event that some such 'Directed Panspermia' was responsible for designing life on this planet, the alien beings would THEMSELVES have to have evolved, if not by Darwinian selection, by some equivalent 'crane' (to quote Dan Dennett). My point here was that design can never be an ULTIMATE explanation for organized complexity. Even if life on Earth was seeded by intelligent designers on another planet, and even if the alien life form was itself seeded four billion years earlier, the regress must ultimately be terminated (and we have only some 13 billion years to play with because of the finite age of the universe). Organized complexity cannot just spontaneously happen. That, for goodness sake, is the creationists' whole point, when they bang on about eyes and bacterial flagella! Evolution by natural selection is the only known process whereby organized complexity can ultimately come into being. Organized complexity -- and that includes everything capable of designing anything intelligently -- comes LATE into the universe. It cannot exist at the beginning, as I have explained again and again in my writings.


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueAtheism/comments/11punm/ben_stein_interviews_richard_dawkins_who_admits/

Who " Seeded " The Aliens ? !

 

[AN2]

Who " Seeded " The Aliens ? !

Did you stop reading halfway through

My point here was that design can never be an ULTIMATE explanation for organized complexity. Even if life on Earth was seeded by intelligent designers on another planet, and even if the alien life form was itself seeded four billion years earlier, the regress must ultimately be terminated (and we have only some 13 billion years to play with because of the finite age of the universe). Organized complexity cannot just spontaneously happen. That, for goodness sake, is the creationists' whole point, when they bang on about eyes and bacterial flagella! Evolution by natural selection is the only known process whereby organized complexity can ultimately come into being. Organized complexity -- and that includes everything capable of designing anything intelligently -- comes LATE into the universe. It cannot exist at the beginning, as I have explained again and again in my writings.

 

[scolairebocht]

Still its quite an admission isn't it? Of course there has to be an Intelligent Designer.

Anyway the whole Occult world is now going to get behind the alien hoax, that's their big push now.

 

[AN2]

Still its quite an admission isn't it?

What is?

Of course there has to be an Intelligent Designer.

Anyway the whole Occult world is now going to get behind the alien hoax, that's their big push now.

When the "alien hoax" doesn't happen this year, or next, as you said it would, then what? Give it a couple of more years?

 

[clarke-connolly]

Did you stop reading halfway through

My point here was that design can never be an ULTIMATE explanation for organized complexity. Even if life on Earth was seeded by intelligent designers on another planet, and even if the alien life form was itself seeded four billion years earlier, the regress must ultimately be terminated (and we have only some 13 billion years to play with because of the finite age of the universe). Organized complexity cannot just spontaneously happen. That, for goodness sake, is the creationists' whole point, when they bang on about eyes and bacterial flagella! Evolution by natural selection is the only known process whereby organized complexity can ultimately come into being. Organized complexity -- and that includes everything capable of designing anything intelligently -- comes LATE into the universe. It cannot exist at the beginning, as I have explained again and again in my writings.

So, who seeded the Aliens ? !

 

[AN2]

So, who seeded the Aliens ? !

Other aliens

The hypothesis here is that the "intelligent designer" is aliens. But you can only go so far back until you run out of aliens

 

[clarke-connolly]

Other aliens

The hypothesis here is that the "intelligent designer" is aliens. But you can only go so far back until you run out of aliens

Aliens all the way down until you run out of Aliens ! ! !

Maybe it's just a Kid playing on a Computer ~ ~ Until you run out of kids playing on computers ! ! !

 

[AN2]

Aliens all the way down until you run out of Aliens ! ! !

Yeah, you run out of them.. How did the original aliens come about?

@Tiger of course believes that they just popped into existence. Well, he doesn't believe in aliens, he believes humans, us, popped into existence

Maybe it's just a Kid playing on a Computer ~ ~ Until you run out of kids playing on computers ! ! !

 

[AN2]

Where's @Sound Man by the way, he started all of this!

Why does he leave it a week between posts

 

[clarke-connolly]

Maybe , I Am God ? !

 

[AN2]

What is?

No? Nothing @scolairebocht? Ah sure, there you have it. People here (I'm calling them the tumbleweeders from now on) who won't answer even the most basic questions about anything they say #thetumbleweeders

Just the sound of their own voice is all that they want to hear

When the "alien hoax" doesn't happen this year, or next, as you said it would, then what? Give it a couple of more years?

 

[scolairebocht]

Have you ever calculated how many questions you ask, could it be double figures every day?!

 

[AN2]

Have you ever calculated how many questions you ask, could it be double figures every day?!

Obviously questions terrify you

I just can't believe how fragile people like you are. You just want to be wrapped in cotton wool and bleat. I could never be like that..

 

[Tiger]

Have you ever calculated how many questions you ask, could it be double figures every day?!

That’s essentially his schtick. A relentless barrage of questions to deflect from the fact that he’s nothing of substance to say and is almost always losing the debate.

 

[AN2]

So I will know surmise what @scolairebocht meant by "quite an admission". I would be quite sure that he was far too lazy to read anything for comprehension and simply saw (in the headline) - "Dawkins admits that we don't know how life started", which is not in any way, shape or form an admission on his part, it's simply a fact

 

[AN2]

That’s essentially his schtick. A relentless barrage of questions to deflect from the fact that he’s nothing of substance to say and is almost always losing the debate.

You're a mentally retarded asshole

 

[AN2]

That’s essentially his schtick. A relentless barrage of questions to deflect from the fact that he’s nothing of substance to say and is almost always losing the debate.

@scolairebocht has liked the above lying post by Tiglet ^

@scolairebocht, would you like to say anything about the post below?

So I will know surmise what @scolairebocht meant by "quite an admission". I would be quite sure that he was far too lazy to read anything for comprehension and simply saw (in the headline) - "Dawkins admits that we don't know how life started", which is not in any way, shape or form an admission on his part, it's simply a fact

Too frightened?

 

[AN2]

The Tumbleweeders

To a man, a moron and a coward:

Tiger
Scolairebocht
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