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View: https://youtu.be/jSYiXWEjgcc



Blast off is just after noon in Ireland on Monday.

This bears watching as in my opinion, this is an attempt to send a human to the moon.
They are to have many tests. Including getting radiation readings to see if man can go into space at all.
 

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46 days to get around the moon and back.
 

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I would go to the moon if it was possible ......the building's up there are in disrepair , it would be a working holiday
 

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Look at the fucking state of this shit they are claiming is a real photo. (@1:37:57 in the YT video below)


View: https://twitter.com/ispace_inc/status/1650506233575604227

All the engineers watched a cartoon simulation of a successful landing followed by an announcement that they had lost communication with the lander.

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEPOwd_Mz_I
 

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July 14 . Eight days away. India will blast off again to try to successfully soft land.

The biggest hoax in history is coming to an end.
 

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I'm not convinced it didn't happen.

Wouldn't be blown away to learn that the whole thing is bullshit, it's the sort of thing the US would have done in the 60's.
 

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I'm not convinced it didn't happen.
The moon landing? What convinces you it did happen?

I can give you one reason why it didn't. The vacuum of space cannot exist next to earth, if the earth is an open system as claimed. It is impossible due to the 2nd law of thermodynamics (entropy) and the necessity for gas pressure (such as we have on earth) to be contained, i.e. physically separated from a vacuum.
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The moon landing? What convinces you it did happen?

I can give you one reason why it didn't. The vacuum of space cannot exist next to earth, if the earth is an open system as claimed. It is impossible due to the 2nd law of thermodynamics (entropy) and the necessity for gas pressure (such as we have on earth) to be contained, i.e. physically separated from a vacuum.
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What are the odds that the next 'moon landing' will have them stick a wee solar powered HD camera, on a tripod, giving us a 24/7 visual feed of the Earth?

I'm gonna go out on a very short limb, and say the odds are in the 0% range
 

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The moon landing? What convinces you it did happen?

I can give you one reason why it didn't. The vacuum of space cannot exist next to earth, if the earth is an open system as claimed. It is impossible due to the 2nd law of thermodynamics (entropy) and the necessity for gas pressure (such as we have on earth) to be contained, i.e. physically separated from a vacuum.
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Gravity prevents this from happening, obviously.
 

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There is also a Russian craft blasting off in August to make a landing.

If pictures sent back shows evidence certainly of a hoax, it will be some craic.
 

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Gravity prevents this from happening, obviously.
I'd like some empirical evidence myself. There is nothing obvious about it, in fact it seems something of a cosmic miracle, that one of the weakest forces known in nature can keep a thin veneer of atmosphere around a rock hurtling through the void at 66,000 miles per second (so we're told anyway)

Forgetting, for a second, the extreme inverse forces generated by a vacuum, why doesn't the Moon's gravity suck off the outer periphery of our atmosphere at a constant rate, given that is powerful enough to create tidal forces? (or so we're told)
 
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Being 'told' things are so, just doesn't cut it anymore.

I recently found out that the lipid hypotheses is just that, pure speculation, and that there is in fact no empirical data connecting cholesterol levels and heart disease. I'm old enough to remember when all cholesterol was bad, but now we have 'good' cholesterol after all.

In fact I'm finding out that there is plenty of data to suggest high LDL levels are actually protective against all manner of disease, including coronary issues, and that suppressing LDL is starting to look really stupid.

So much for the orthodox view of things . It is becoming more and more worthless in so many fields.
 
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Being 'told' things are so, just doesn't cut it anymore.

I recently found out that the lipid hypotheses is just that, pure speculation, and that there is in fact no empirical data connecting cholesterol levels and heart disease. I'm old enough to remember when all cholesterol was bad, but now we have 'good' cholesterol after all.

In fact I'm finding out that there is plenty of data to suggest high LDL levels are actually protective against all manner of disease, including coronary issues, and that suppressing LDL is starting to look really stupid.

So much for the orthodox view of things . It is becoming more and more worthless in so many fields.
We're never going to agree that the Earth is flat, but I'm generally on board with the idea that sugar, not fat, is responsible for heart disease. We're made of fat if you really think about it. Probably the only exception are trans fats, which do not occur in nature. All these hydrogenated vegetable spreads are IMO far worse for health than butter ever could be.
 

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We're never going to agree that the Earth is flat
That's not what I need. I want people to meet me half way. Science has proven what happens when a pressurized environment meets a vacuum. The result is explosive. I have yet to see empirical evidence that the weak force of gravity is powerful enough to create a sealed pressure environment that stops our thin atmosphere being sucked into the void of space.

It's another one of those circular argument situations. Gravity has to be the answer because we don't have another hypothesis. Yet no testing has confirmed said hypothesis
 

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A vacuum does not generate force.
Interesting. But not what is under discussion. We are talking about what occurs when a non sealed environment with positive pressure (our atmosphere) comes up against a vacuum, ie, a non pressurized environment . Scientific experiments indicate the result us typically explosive
 

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That's not what I need. I want people to meet me half way. Science has proven what happens when a pressurized environment meets a vacuum. The result is explosive. I have yet to see empirical evidence that the weak force of gravity is powerful enough to essential create a sealed pressure environment that stops are thin atmosphere being sucked into the void of space.

It's another one of those circular argument situations. Gravity has to be the answer because we don't have another hypothesis. Yet no testing has confirmed said hypothesis
The problem is that you have no other model of explanation, and the theory of gravity works when we test it. We can calculate gravitational force. This is done every time any kind of rocket is launched into orbit.

I'm not the right guy to ask. Ask someone on a physics forum or similar.
 

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The problem is that you have no other model of explanation,

But we do, just not one that fits the materialist narrative. This is the bigger picture . Science has become captured by one particular worldview and non shall be allowed to brook it.
 

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But we do, just not one that fits the materialist narrative. This is the bigger picture . Science has become captured by one particular worldview and non shall be allowed to brook it.
I see. So what is your model of explanation for the observable phenomenon of throwing something in the air and its falling back down?
 

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I see. So what is your model of explanation for the observable phenomenon of throwing something in the air and its falling back down?
Simple resistance based on mass, or lack thereof, actually does a good job of it, as an alternate hypothesis. A form of material buoyancy , if you will
 

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Gravity prevents this from happening, obviously.
That's the claim, but is unproven. Do you know of any scientific experiment in which gravity contains gas? In order to prove gravity as the cause of an effect, you would need to manipulate gravity (the independent variable). No such experiment exists.
 

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That pressure is there due to gravity.
Again, not what is under discussion.

Yes, its certainly they case that the hypothetical force we call gravity is responsible for barometric pressure. This has yet to be conclusively proven however.

But this has nothing to do with the problem of containment and protection of the atmosphere itself.

Please explain how the necessary 'seal' from the negative pressure of a vacuum protects our atmosphere from being sucked into outer space.

We are especially keen to know what the mechanics are, at the very edges of our atmosphere, that directly contacts the void of space. What is happening in this liminal space?
 

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:oops:

:D


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MbucRPiL92Q


If you want to measure it with finer granularity in a lab setting there are all manner of kits available. I.E.


That doesn't tell the full story of gravity or anything close to it.

Believe me, try digging into gravitational light/time dilation.
 

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The Indian craft has successfully lifted off and live updates are above.
Another craft sets off on August 10th from China. And it is followed by another later.

So we could see interesting news in the immediate future.
 

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The Indian craft has successfully lifted off and live updates are above.
Another craft sets off on August 10th from China. And it is followed by another later.

So we could see interesting news in the immediate future.
Anyone want to take bets on whether we get a solar powered HD camera left on the 'Moon', to take 24/7 images of the Earth?
 

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There is no "negative pressure of a vacuum".

Differential Pressure​

Vacuum also is often referred to as negative pressure (or soft vacuum). This occurs when the application requires monitoring both decreases in pressure below atmospheric pressure and increases in pressure above atmospheric bidirectional differential pressure.

 

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I wonder if the Indian CGI images will be better than the laughable Chinese efforts?
 

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So the Indian craft isdue to land on August 23 so we have a 40 day wait.
 

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And by then the other two will have blasted off.
 

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So the Indian craft isdue to land on August 23 so we have a 40 day wait.
I'll go out on a short limb here and say one of 2 things will occur, once they figure the CGI they created for this event is not up to par:

A- The ship will have a catastrophic malfunction.
B - The cameras on the ship will have issues, and so they will use the CGI anyway, as a guide to what we would otherwise have been seeing for real.
 

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I'll go out on a short limb here and say one of 2 things will occur, once they figure the CGI they created for this event is not up to par:

A- The ship will have a catastrophic malfunction.
B - The cameras on the ship will have issues, and so they will use the CGI anyway, as a guide to what we would otherwise have been seeing for real
To be fair, India has a pretty decent CGI industry these days. All the major studios have offices there.
 

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