Why do a lot of Rightists suddenly get all PC when it comes to Jews and "Antisemitism"?

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Zipporah's Flint

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This is something I have noticed for a while now. People who will scoff about at "Critical Race Theory" and "don't be not a racist be antiracist" suddenly start acting like a hysterical liberal lefist wannabe Feminist teenaged girl on tumblr when the issue comes to Jews and real and imagined hostility to Jews. People who would not accept "that is racist" as an argument will use "that is antisemitic" as an argument. A prime example of this Ron De Santis who put into place really strict "Hate Speech Laws" as regards stuff you can say relating to Jews and yet at the same time claims to be "anti-Woke". What is up with this?
 
Zipporah's Flint said:
This is something I have noticed for a while now. People who will scoff about at "Critical Race Theory" and "don't be not a racist be antiracist" suddenly start acting like a hysterical liberal lefist wannabe Feminist teenaged girl on tumblr when the issue comes to Jews and real and imagined hostility to Jews. People who would not accept "that is racist" as an argument will use "that is antisemitic" as an argument. A prime example of this Ron De Santis who put into place really strict "Hate Speech Laws" as regards stuff you can say relating to Jews and yet at the same time claims to be "anti-Woke". What is up with this?
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Follow the money.
It's always about the money.
 
Wolf said:
Follow the money.
It's always about the money.
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With "influencers" and professional politicans yeah but the vast majority of them are not being paid.

Or do you mean that because Jews are seen to have money they believe that they should be put up on a pedestal? Very possibly.
 
I don't think it's protecting Jewish people per se, but I don't like to see blatant racism.

It's one thing to criticise the actions of any individual or a government, but to condemn a whole race of people because of the actions of a few, or to throw insults about without any actual context other than to criticise a particular ethnic group is distasteful and immoral.

None of us can fully understand the mindset of those in Palestine or Israel, we all watch from afar the events unfolding and to be honest if we lived on either side of the conflict our opinions and judgment would be molded to that of those who do live there.

You could also quesiton why are some rightists so attracted to the plight of the Palestinians, especially when it's supported so heavily by the hard left.
 
Anderson said:
I don't think it's protecting Jewish people per se, but I don't like to see blatant racism.

It's one thing to criticise the actions of any individual or a government, but to condemn a whole race of people because of the actions of a few, or to throw insults about without any actual context other than to criticise a particular ethnic group is distasteful and immoral.

None of us can fully understand the mindset of those in Palestine or Israel, we all watch from afar the events unfolding and to be honest if we lived on either side of the conflict our opinions and judgment would be molded to that of those who do live there.

You could also quesiton why are some rightists so attracted to the plight of the Palestinians, especially when it's supported so heavily by the hard left.
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You cannot support the Zionist project without believing that all non-Jewish Levantines- Christians and other non-Muslims included are subhuman. It is simply impossible. Now doing that may not be blatantly saying that-some would argue that it is- but it is never the less clearly saying that and frankly I prefer it when people are upfront and not sneaky about these things. Also if you are saying that Jews are a race you have to accept the mad theory of the Rabbi below, have you complained by the way about Myles having a go at Muslims as well?

We share a common human nature so yes it is possible with study to understand the different mindsets of the people over there.

It was the Tory Hardshells and the Right of the US Republican Party that originally stood up for the indigenous Palestinians and not the Hard Left. Also the Zionist movement in the shape of the ADL, CRIF, CAA, etc is the primary driving force behind the collapse of Free Speech in the West. There are your answers as to why some on the Right support the indigenous Palestinians.

I was not thinking primarily of you but of one of my brothers-in-law. I suspect with him is that he believes as Jews are up there with the sexual deviants at the top of the Western hierarchy of "Righteous Victims" that he believes calling Leftists and Muslims "antisemitic" is an "ace card" against them which shows I think a deep immaturity.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc3wkU6rysg
 
Zipporah's Flint said:
You cannot support the Zionist project without believing that all non-Jewish Levantines- Christians and other non-Muslims included are subhuman. It is simply impossible. Now doing that may not be blatantly saying that-some would argue that it is- but it is never the less clearly saying that and frankly I prefer it when people are upfront and not sneaky about these things. Also if you are saying that Jews are a race you have to accept the mad theory of the Rabbi below, have you complained by the way about Myles having a go at Muslims as well?

We share a common human nature so yes it is possible with study to understand the different mindsets of the people over there.

It was the Tory Hardshells and the Right of the US Republican Party that originally stood up for the indigenous Palestinians and not the Hard Left. Also the Zionist movement in the shape of the ADL, CRIF, CAA, etc is the primary driving force behind the collapse of Free Speech in the West. There are your answers as to why some on the Right support the indigenous Palestinians.

I was not thinking primarily of you but of one of my brothers-in-law. I suspect with him is that he believes as Jews are up there with the sexual deviants at the top of the Western hierarchy of "Righteous Victims" that he believes calling Leftists and Muslims "antisemitic" is an "ace card" against them which shows I think a deep immaturity.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc3wkU6rysg
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I support a homeland for the Jewish people, and I equally support a homeland for the Palestinian people.

Sadly however I do not think those in the Gaza Strip or the West Bank will ever be satisfied until they destroy the Jewish state, and they will constantly blame them for all their woes.

The leaders of Hamas could be doing so much more to build a better standard of living for their people, however like most leaders they appear to enrich themselves whilst bringing misery down on the rest.
 
Anderson said:
I support a homeland for the Jewish people, and I equally support a homeland for the Palestinian people.

Sadly however I do not think those in the Gaza Strip or the West Bank will ever be satisfied until they destroy the Jewish state, and they will constantly blame them for all their woes.

The leaders of Hamas could be doing so much more to build a better standard of living for their people, however like most leaders they appear to enrich themselves whilst bringing misery down on the rest.
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Zionism is to blame for all their woes. Simple as. Even Hamas said that it could live with a two state solution if it was an actual two state solution but all Zionism rejects an actual two state solution. It also has this concept of the "Redemption of the Land" which involves the goal of completely settling with Jews all of what they regard as "The Land of Israel" which is significantly larger than the territory they now control. So you literally have it all backwards- why speak with such authority than? It could be considered very sick to troll the situation when it is reaching a genocidal peak.

The reason by the way that Hamas have such widespread popular support is because of the asceticism of their leaders which even the Sabras themselves are forced to admire.
 
Zipporah's Flint said:
Zionism is to blame for all their woes. Simple as. Even Hamas said that it could live with a two state solution if it was an actual two state solution but all Zionism rejects an actual two state solution. It also has this concept of the "Redemption of the Land" which involves the goal of completely settling with Jews all of what they regard as "The Land of Israel" which is significantly larger than the territory they now control. So you literally have it all backwards- why speak with such authority than? It could be considered very sick to troll the situation when it is reaching a genocidal peak.

The reason by the way that Hamas have such widespread popular support is because of the asceticism of their leaders which even the Sabras themselves are forced to admire.
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I respectfully disagree, for the past few years, there has been relative peace between the two, however as witnessed at the start of the month Hamas have been stockpiling weapons when they could have been spending all that money on creating a better Palestine.

In fact, Palestine was moving along at a steady pace, tourism was growing in their territories as evidenced by the 5-star hotels you can see on booking.com.

Hamas just want terror.
 
Anderson said:
It's one thing to criticise the actions of any individual or a government, but to condemn a whole race of people because of the actions of a few
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You were liking posts the other day calling on Israel to murder 1000 Palestinians for every Jew murdered by Hamas!

Not exactly practising what you preach is it?

Post in thread 'How Many Palestinians Need To Be Murdered Before Israel Stops The Slaughter?' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.co...ore-israel-stops-the-slaughter.604/post-56748
 
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Ruck Da Fules! said:
You were liking posts the other day calling on Israel to murder 1000 Palestinians for every Jew murdered by Hamas!

Not exactly practising what you preach is it?

Post in thread 'How Many Palestinians Need To Be Murdered Before Israel Stops The Slaughter?' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.co...ore-israel-stops-the-slaughter.604/post-56748
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Indeed.
It also was referring to brown people as animals.
Ironic really, when its animalistic IDF have murdered over 7,000 mostly women and children in the last 3 weeks.
 
Anderson said:
I respectfully disagree, for the past few years

In fact, Palestine was moving along at a steady pace, tourism was growing in their territories as evidenced by the 5-star hotels you can see on booking.com.
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No there has not- the ethnic cleansing on the West Bank within the Green Line was accelerating. Plus Resistance on the West Bank had been growing again with the Resistance even winning some battles as the indigenous population has gotten more and more desperate. It is not a matter of disagreeing- these are just facts. Why are you making claims you must know are not based on reality or at least based on ignorant assumptions? The five star hotels are in Jewish only Settlements.

www.972mag.com

‘It’s like 1948’: Israel cleanses vast West Bank region of nearly all Palestinians

Entire Palestinian communities between Ramallah and Jericho have been chased out by settler violence, paving the way for a total Israeli takeover.
www.972mag.com www.972mag.com
 
Wolf said:
Indeed.
It also was referring to brown people as animals.
Ironic really, when its animalistic IDF have murdered over 7,000 mostly women and children in the last 3 weeks.
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That is a pure lie, show the post.
 
David has been banned said:
Charlie Kirk imagining another Shoah -


View: https://t.me/keith_woods/4606
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What I really despise about Zionists and their sychophants is that at least in the West they always come out with this whiney victim thing and also that they pretend to be ethical when in fact they just believe in "Might is Right". If they were just honest about their Ragnar Redbeard mentalities both indigenous Palestinians and I would find them a lot less annoying.

By the way Richie Torres and David Lamy who are most annoyingly "Woke" politicans in the Anglosphere are also avid Zionists- I pointed this out to my brother in law and that shut him up about these things for a day.
 
Zipporah's Flint said:
No there has not- the ethnic cleansing on the West Bank within the Green Line was accelerating. Plus Resistance on the West Bank had been growing again with the Resistance even winning some battles as the indigenous population has gotten more and more desperate. It is not a matter of disagreeing- these are just facts. Why are you making claims you must know are not based on reality or at least based on ignorant assumptions? The five star hotels are in Jewish only Settlements.

www.972mag.com

‘It’s like 1948’: Israel cleanses vast West Bank region of nearly all Palestinians

Entire Palestinian communities between Ramallah and Jericho have been chased out by settler violence, paving the way for a total Israeli takeover.
www.972mag.com www.972mag.com
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According to that link,

More than 10 settler outposts — which are illegal even under Israeli law, though the current far-right government is working hard to legalize them
www.972mag.com

‘It’s like 1948’: Israel cleanses vast West Bank region of nearly all Palestinians

Entire Palestinian communities between Ramallah and Jericho have been chased out by settler violence, paving the way for a total Israeli takeover.
www.972mag.com www.972mag.com

Prior to the attacks, the Current Government of Israel was deeply unpopular, the Primeminister was almost certain to face prosecution, and the UN should have stepped in with their own charges for violating the agreements.

Hamas has literally unified all Jews against them and probably guaranteed Netanyahu another term including more swallowing up of Gaza and the West Bank.
 
Anderson said:
According to that link,

More than 10 settler outposts — which are illegal even under Israeli law, though the current far-right government is working hard to legalize them
www.972mag.com

‘It’s like 1948’: Israel cleanses vast West Bank region of nearly all Palestinians

Entire Palestinian communities between Ramallah and Jericho have been chased out by settler violence, paving the way for a total Israeli takeover.
www.972mag.com www.972mag.com

Prior to the attacks, the Current Government of Israel was deeply unpopular, the Primeminister was almost certain to face prosecution, and the UN should have stepped in with their own charges for violating the agreements.

Hamas has literally unified all Jews against them and probably guaranteed Netanyahu another term including more swallowing up of Gaza and the West Bank.
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It talks about massive ethnic cleansing. The Zionists were/are pushing the indigenous population on the West Bank and within the Green Line into smaller and smaller enclaves, obviously getting ready for another Nabka that this time would involve straight wiping out of the populations.

Maybe- but people were not against Bibi because of his treatment of indigenous Palestinians. People were against Bibi because of his replacing White Supremacy for Jews with a meritocracy for Jews (which is the reason that non-White Jews love him) and for giving the Religious Orthodox Jews too much power (who are hated by the White Supremacist so-called Liberal elite).

The United States always protects the Zionists at the UN no matter what they do.

It turns out that as the Resistance claimed on October 7 th most of the Jews who died were killed by IDF fire and not that of the Al Qassam Brigades. Surprise, surprise- the indigenous Palestinians turn out to have told the truth again and the Zionists turn out to have indulged in an orgy of wild lying.

mondoweiss.net

A growing number of reports indicate Israeli forces responsible for Israeli civilian and military deaths following October 7 attack

Many details of what transpired on October 7 continue to be shrouded in mystery, including how the 1,400 Israelis who died were killed. A growing number of reports indicate the Israeli military was responsible for civilian and military deaths.
mondoweiss.net mondoweiss.net
 
Zipporah's Flint said:
It talks about massive ethnic cleansing. The Zionists were/are pushing the indigenous population on the West Bank and within the Green Line into smaller and smaller enclaves, obviously getting ready for another Nabka that this time would involve straight wiping out of the populations.

Maybe- but people were not against Bibi because of his treatment of indigenous Palestinians. People were against Bibi because of his replacing White Supremacy for Jews with a meritocracy for Jews (which is the reason that non-White Jews love him) and for giving the Religious Orthodox Jews too much power (who are hated by the White Supremacist so-called Liberal elite).

The United States always protects the Zionists at the UN no matter what they do.

It turns out that as the Resistance claimed on October 7 th most of the Jews who died were killed by IDF fire and not that of the Al Qassam Brigades. Surprise, surprise- the indigenous Palestinians turn out to have told the truth again and the Zionists turn out to have indulged in an orgy of wild lying.

mondoweiss.net

A growing number of reports indicate Israeli forces responsible for Israeli civilian and military deaths following October 7 attack

Many details of what transpired on October 7 continue to be shrouded in mystery, including how the 1,400 Israelis who died were killed. A growing number of reports indicate the Israeli military was responsible for civilian and military deaths.
mondoweiss.net mondoweiss.net
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You talk about Ethnic Cleansing, then how come there are 2 Million Arabs in Israel?
 
Ruck Da Fules! said:
I linked to the post. The one calling on Israel to murder 1000 Palestinians for every Jew murdered by Hamas. Click on it, you will see that you have liked that post👍
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Eh? That was posted by @clarke-connolly not me and it was referring to revenge, not outright murder!

I liked it because it referred to the feelings that the Jewish people are having right now, for instance, if an ethnic group someone went and not only killed your loved ones but brutally tortured them what would your automatic response be? It's human nature to want revenge and you would likely as most people want heaven and earth moved. You would certainly want your country to go to war if it was invaded by another and their soldiers rituality murdered your family.
 
Anderson said:
Eh? That was posted by @clarke-connolly not me and it was referring to revenge, not outright murder!

I liked it because it referred to the feelings that the Jewish people are having right now, for instance, if an ethnic group someone went and not only killed your loved ones but brutally tortured them what would your automatic response be? It's human nature to want revenge and you would likely as most people want heaven and earth moved. You would certainly want your country to go to war if it was invaded by another and their soldiers rituality murdered your family.
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You liked a post calling on Israel to murder 1000 Palestinians for each Jew Hamas murdered!

Therefore you have exposed yourself as a hypocrite, given you later said people shouldn't blame a whole race of people for the actions of a few, which is exactly what that post you liked was promoting!

Hypocrite!
 
Ruck Da Fules! said:
You liked a post calling on Israel to murder 1000 Palestinians for each Jew Hamas murdered!

Therefore you have exposed yourself as a hypocrite, given you later said people shouldn't blame a whole race of people for the actions of a few, which is exactly what that post you liked was promoting!

Hypocrite!
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Correction, I liked a post where another poster said, If I was an Israeli I would kill 1000 Palestinians for every person killed/harmed/kidnapped by Hamas on October 7th.

This is a hypothetical statement by @clarke-connolly presumably because I do not think he is an Israeli.

However, I can fully understand where the Jewish anger is coming from as explained, If it was Ireland that was attacked by another country and our families brutally murdered and tortured, I am sure many would want the same revenge justice that Israel currently seeks.


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David has been banned said:
If I was an Israeli/Jew I think I'd probably be a rightist :)


Why, is he a racist?

So why do you think people like @Clanrickard, Parlon et al are all-in for Israel? 🤔
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Lol actually in Palestine it is Zionist so-called Left who are much, much more "White Nationalist" than the Zionist Right. Someone has said the differences between them come down to the Zionist Left being White Supremacist and the Zionist Right being Jewish Supremacist. Once the indigenous population is gone there could easily be a civil war among the Jewish colonists based in part but not entirely on race (Haredim European Jews will definitely be siding with the Arab Jews).

The Zionist Right has actually produced some interesting thinkers but I am both attracted and repulsed by Fashy stuff from whatever quarter. Uri Zvi Greenberg was an amazing poet even if he was a genocidal loon.

He really dislikes Pakistanis with an intensity and he dislikes the parts of what is called "Black culture" that I also dislike- he would never admit to being a racist though.

He is English but he is pretty much like Kev and Clan politically- what motivates them? I am not quite sure. Could it be a murderous "revenge of the nerds" fantasy? Zosimius believed that was what was going on with Clan and my mum in law has speculated that the same is going on with my brother in law (she actually does not like Jews as such in an E Michael Jones manner primarily but with a bit of racial stuff thrown in) but I have wondered whether he comes out with this "Jew loving" stuff mainly to wind her up.

The below from controversial and partisan sources maybe worth thinking about as to whether they might contain some truth.

counter-currents.com

Philosemitism & Brutality

1,424 words Czech version here Gentiles, all Gentiles (well, almost all), love the Jews. More than that, they worship them. Why? There are many reasons, but one is Jews’ innate brutality. As Sigmund Freud, following French psychologist Gustave Le Bon, wrote in Group Psychology and the Analysis...
counter-currents.com counter-currents.com

www.unz.com

For the Love of Jews

England and France, two antagonists, two mainstays of European civilisation, are simultaneously engulfed in paroxysm of Judeophilia. The result of the forthcoming very important parliamentary elections in Britain hinges on this issue, with Labour and Tories competing who will express their love...
www.unz.com
 
Anderson said:
You talk about Ethnic Cleansing, then how come there are 2 Million Arabs in Israel?
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In small over crowded ethnic enclaves that are usually denied basic services generally and they have been increasingly ethnically cleansed from "mixed areas".
 
free and clean said:
No it doesn't "turn out" you babbling clown. You've posted one article from a completely biased website.

And that's your proof that Israeli soldiers killed loads of Israeli civilians. Get up the yard.
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That article was written by an actual Sabra and it has begun to come out in the Zionist media itself-

electronicintifada.net

Israeli forces shot their own civilians, kibbutz survivor says

Palestinian fighters treated Israeli captives "humanely," recalls Yasmin Porat.
electronicintifada.net electronicintifada.net
 
Zipporah's Flint said:
In small over crowded ethnic enclaves that are usually denied basic services generally and they have been increasingly ethnically cleansed from "mixed areas".
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But where is the Ethnic cleansing if 2 million people live there?

I mean, how many Christians are allowed to live in Muslim countries and be allowed the same privileges and rights?

You cant even go to Mecca as a Chrisitan!
 
Anderson said:
But where is the Ethnic cleansing if 2 million people live there?

I mean, how many Christians are allowed to live in Muslim countries and be allowed the same privileges and rights?

You cant even go to Mecca as a Chrisitan!
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They are being driven from areas into smaller and smaller ethnic conclaves and they are under constant pressure to pack up and leave the counrty. Call that whatever you want. Most of them by the way are descended from internally displaced refugees during the Nabka and are not allowed their stolen family property back. Have you read the Amnesty International report?

Plenty of Muslim countries- most in fact. Saudi Arabia is "special".
 
Zipporah's Flint said:
They are being driven from areas into smaller and smaller ethnic conclaves and they are under constant pressure to pack up and leave the counrty. Call that whatever you want. Most of them by the way are descended from internally displaced refugees during the Nabka and are not allowed their stolen family property back. Have you read the Amnesty International report?

Plenty of Muslim countries- most in fact. Saudi Arabia is "special".
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Well if they don't feel welcomed in Israel, why not move to a Muslim Country? Cant be all that bad if 2 million of them choose to remain there.
 
Anderson said:
Well if they don't feel welcomed in Israel, why not move to a Muslim Country? Cant be all that bad if 2 million of them choose to remain there.
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Not all of them are Muslims and it is their homeland!
 
Disgraceful that a new thread was started on this. My solution is to send peace keeping troops to Gaza including Irish lads and lassies. Dutch, French , Australian and Omanians
 
I was reared a Catholic. I was taught that Christ was a Jew who rejected their religion and started a new one. I was taught that Christ was charitable, preached love between men and women, was very fair minded and promised to link us up with God his father in heaven when we die.

We were a strong Fianna Fail family but FF left me and I rejected them. I saw Christs relationship with Jews the same as my relationship with FF. I set out to destroy the FF party and I felt Christ set out to destroy the Jewish religion but failed because a rump of them refused to follow him.

Later I felt that religion does not matter much, I will stay a Catholic because it is weakened. I would outlaw circumcision if I could.
 
David has been banned said:
That's practically a contradiction in terms. Could you name one well known Zionist White nationalist (besides me of course :)) 🤔

Where does this guy fit in? Just a Jew who isn't a Zionist? -

I was using the term that would be used for him (assuming he's white)

Well, they're conservatives/"90s liberals", right?

So, Holocaustianity, "greatest ally" and so on. Then of course the belief that Israel is part of the (civilised) West.
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You sure about that? The names Greg Johnson, Jared Taylor, Richard Spencer (at least for the majority of the time he identified as a "White Nationalist"), Guillaume Faye, Renaud Camus.....Max Nordau, David Ben Gurion and Golda Meir mean anything to you? And they are just off the top of my head.

Originally Zionism was extremely anti-Rabbinic Judaism and saw it in many ways as it's number one enemy and even now outside of certain things in Maimonides and Nachmanides I think all the Rabbinic Authorities and certainly the Sages of the Mishnah were/are against "forcing the End" and the do-it-yourself approach to Messianism (remember that Rabbinic Judaism arose as much in reaction against the "Fourth Philosophy"/Zealot Judaism/Jihadi Judaism of antiquity as it arose in reaction to Christianity).

He has a significant dollop of Polish blood so he is not a pure North West European (for the rest he is a mix of English and Scottish).

Not in his case at all. He would have the view that the Conservative Party are the natural Party of government and people are being deliberately odd or worse by voting for other people (and that would include things further Right). He does value triggernometry, etc as helping bring "normality" to people "who need it". In his arrogance he assumes that they have come around to thinking like people like him but basically they have gotten around to sculpting how people like him think. There is no way that someone like John Michell could get into "The Spectator" now it has been taken over by that militant homosexualist though of course he would scoff at John Michell.

"Israel" is the forefront of the Civilized West in his view. The Shoah was the Cosmic Crime- but the fact that it was the "Civilized West" that carried the "Shoah" causes problems for him, or should cause problems for him, would cause problems for him if he did not believe all the insane conspiracy theories around Johann von Leers who was one of the most fascinating and paradoxical figures among the Hitlerites and Amin al-Husseini who was a Late Ottomann flunky despised by probably a majority of indigenous Palestinians but has never the less been burnt for some reason into Zionist memory as some major figure (basically these boil down to the Nazis were really Muslims). The thing is that this "Israel" of his is for the most part his assumptions of what it is like and he will dismiss anything that gets in that way- like most supporters of Zionism.
 
David has been banned said:
Well Jared Taylor is well known for avoiding the JQ, can you provide any citation for any of the names you mentioned being Zionist, and if they (the people you mentioned) are Zionist Jews, being white nationalists (Zionism isn't white nationalism)
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Greg Johnson said clearly on Luke Ford podcasts that he supports Zionism and admires Herzl (as did many Hitlerites)- that as the solution for the "Jewish Question/Jewish Problem" surely makes sense from his point of view? Zionism is not "White Nationalism" true but that does not mean that they are not compatible.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_7pL_FhglM
 
Bold Fenian Man said:
Ultra-orthodox Jews aren't Zionist.

Attitudes towards Zionismedit​

See also: Haredim and Zionism
While most Haredi Jews were opposed to the establishment of the State of Israel, and Haredi Jews mostly do not celebrate Yom Ha'Atzmaut (Israeli Independence Day) or any other state-instituted holidays, there were many who gave their backing to the nascent state.[142][143]

Members of Neturei Karta protest against Israel (Washington, 2005)
The chief political division among Haredi Jews has been in their approach to the State of Israel. After Israeli independence, different Haredi movements took varying positions on it. Only a minority of Haredi Jews consider themselves to be Zionists. Haredim who do not consider themselves Zionists fall into two-camps: non-Zionist, and anti-Zionist. Non-Zionist Haredim, who comprise the majority, do not object to the State of Israel as an independent Jewish state, and many even consider it to be positive, but they do not believe that it has any religious significance. Anti-Zionist Haredim, who are a minority, but are more publicly visible than the non-Zionist majority, believe that any Jewish independence prior to the coming of the Messiah is a sin.[144][145]
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It is complicated especially in Palestine now where a lot will be against Zionism as an ideology but for Jewish Supremacism being violently imposed on the country so they might as well be ZIonist if you do not internal Jewish politics and the history of Zionism.
 
Bold Fenian Man said:
But the Jewish activists add "Christian" to that, "Christian European Colonialism".
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From 14 I was reading Rightist Christians with rationality and not unjustly arguing that the term "Judeo-Christian" was a con to get Christians to kill Muslims for Jews but from 18 I have been reading Leftist Jews arguing that the exact same term was about getting Jews to kill Muslims for Christians also with arguments that were not illogical.
 
David has been banned said:
In our sphere I would associate his view more with leftism. It's leftists who don't want a nation state for the Irish (like he doesn't for Jews) and those who do (i.e. nationalists) are called far right.
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You don't to live in a full Catholic State as Plunkett would define such and you want not want to either live in a full Presbyterian State- does that make you Leftist?
 
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