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RTE just informed the assembled masss that the flooding was not caused by rainfall.....????

WTF are these people on?
Obviously = = No reading of the Bible allowed at Rte.

Or Science ~ Or Looking out the Window ~

Rte must be = = Gone Full Communist at this stage = = Except when it comes to their Salary and Expenses of course ! ! !
 

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As one of the few posters from Ireland here, I can report that there was weather here today!
 

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As one of the few posters from Ireland here, I can report that there was weather here today!
Indeed, and I noted that it raineth upon the just and upon the unjust fella, but chiefely on the just because the unjust pincheth the just's umbrella.
 
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Indeed, and I noted that it raineth upon the just and upon the unjust fella, but chiefely on the just because the unjust pincheth the just's umbrella.
More weather here this morning. Something needs to be done. I think I should start a second thread on it?
Maybe Andy would do it instead.
 

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Autumn storms in Ireland, unprecedented! I'm telling ye, we're all gonna die of weather, 'tis a terrible affliction!
The thing is that the winter's just beginning so we can look forward to more flooding for the next 6 months.
Having (in Ireland) just had the wettest jul/aug on record, things are looking unusually disastrous so far . . .

. . . Further homes and businesses across a number of counties were on Tuesday grappling with significant damage caused by “unprecedented” flooding after incessant rain, as the threat of more heavy showers in coming days loomed.

Newry in Co Down was under water after the city’s canal broke its banks on Monday night, with several streets in the city centre left flooded on Tuesday. Eamonn Connolly, manager of Newry Business Improvement District Organisation, likened parts of Newry to a “lake”. “It’s certainly been unprecedented,” he said.

Businesses and homes in Carlingford, Co Louth, also reported damage to premises following flooding, and a bridge outside Riverstown collapsed amid rising water on the Cooley peninsula.

Houses in Dundalk were also impacted.

Minister for Social Protection Heather Humphreys said a humanitarian assistance scheme for flood-hit households would be extended to people living in counties Louth and Wexford, as parts of the country prepare for Storm Ciarán.

In Banbridge, Co Down, the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) warned on Tuesday afternoon that the level of the river Bann had risen “dangerously high”.
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Maybe it'll be calm, nice and dry for a few weeks after all this rain eventually passes over??😉
 

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The thing is that the winter's just beginning so we can look forward to more flooding for the next 6 months.
Having (in Ireland) just had the wettest jul/aug on record, things are looking unusually disastrous so far . . .

. . . Further homes and businesses across a number of counties were on Tuesday grappling with significant damage caused by “unprecedented” flooding after incessant rain, as the threat of more heavy showers in coming days loomed.

Newry in Co Down was under water after the city’s canal broke its banks on Monday night, with several streets in the city centre left flooded on Tuesday. Eamonn Connolly, manager of Newry Business Improvement District Organisation, likened parts of Newry to a “lake”. “It’s certainly been unprecedented,” he said.

Businesses and homes in Carlingford, Co Louth, also reported damage to premises following flooding, and a bridge outside Riverstown collapsed amid rising water on the Cooley peninsula.

Houses in Dundalk were also impacted.

Minister for Social Protection Heather Humphreys said a humanitarian assistance scheme for flood-hit households would be extended to people living in counties Louth and Wexford, as parts of the country prepare for Storm Ciarán.

In Banbridge, Co Down, the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) warned on Tuesday afternoon that the level of the river Bann had risen “dangerously high”.
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Maybe it'll be calm, nice and dry for a few weeks after all this rain eventually passes over??😉
Have you ever known a winter in Ireland without flooding?
 

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Have you ever known a winter in Ireland without flooding?
Yeah, you're right, it's usually the Shannon, Gort & Cork among many others you could probably mention, sure.

Should we not be concerned by what's suggested in that there's more flooding being observed in the floods and that those floods are happening in places which don't usually get that sort of thing at all.

Interesting to note any unusual changes in what makes this type of stuff happen, as said already and felt by many - the season's just beginning and what could be - we'll see more flooding in cork again by Christmas/new year?

They really better do something, perhaps knock all the affected area and build back on stilts?

It should happen this time?

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It's insane to have the monsters for environment & housing stuck on an annual looptape on telly wringing their rain soaked hands every year.:rolleyes::cry::rolleyes::cry:
 

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Another rough night on the way folk's.
Batten down the hatches.
 

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Great stuff, I do like a bit of real weather.
It used to grow trees in forests which were home to wonderful animals, fish and birds. It gave England the
oak for their ships in the 1700 and 1800s when they stole those trees. Now it produces grain, potatoes
veggies dairy products etc which keeps us going. Without rain it would be desert.

Happy days Ireland
 

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Without rain it would be desert.
Yeah but too much and it wrecks the gaff.
 

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Yeah but too much and it wrecks the gaff.
Never, unless you don't have a roof. If the tide went out, would you build a house along the sea line?
 

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Another year of awful weather in many parts of Ireland, raining most everyday at some point, this year was quite unnatural and results in . . .

Following another week of very wet weather, conditions are extremely challenging and very little harvesting is taking place. Losses have occurred already, which are likely to substantially increase as we progress through the harvest. Met Eireann data shows many stations have already exceeded the average annual total rainfall and others close to it. Now that we are in November, we are in extremely difficult territory with this much crop left to be harvested. The heavy rain has washed most of the clay off the top of the drills which leaves the crop more prone to frost damage. A few hard frosts at this point will wipe out entire crops.

In the U.K. more rain has made soils extremely wet again and there are growing concerns that some of the crop will not be lifted. From the Midlands northwards there are still a few growers with “in excess of 500 acres” to lift, including those who had planned ex field lifting of late varieties for processing.

 

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Another year of awful weather in many parts of Ireland, raining most everyday at some point, this year was quite unnatural and results in . . .

Following another week of very wet weather, conditions are extremely challenging and very little harvesting is taking place. Losses have occurred already, which are likely to substantially increase as we progress through the harvest. Met Eireann data shows many stations have already exceeded the average annual total rainfall and others close to it. Now that we are in November, we are in extremely difficult territory with this much crop left to be harvested. The heavy rain has washed most of the clay off the top of the drills which leaves the crop more prone to frost damage. A few hard frosts at this point will wipe out entire crops.

In the U.K. more rain has made soils extremely wet again and there are growing concerns that some of the crop will not be lifted. From the Midlands northwards there are still a few growers with “in excess of 500 acres” to lift, including those who had planned ex field lifting of late varieties for processing.

I don't think people realise the urgency of the situation for the potato industry.
 

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Another year of awful weather in many parts of Ireland, raining most everyday at some point, this year was quite unnatural and results in . . .

Following another week of very wet weather, conditions are extremely challenging and very little harvesting is taking place. Losses have occurred already, which are likely to substantially increase as we progress through the harvest. Met Eireann data shows many stations have already exceeded the average annual total rainfall and others close to it. Now that we are in November, we are in extremely difficult territory with this much crop left to be harvested. The heavy rain has washed most of the clay off the top of the drills which leaves the crop more prone to frost damage. A few hard frosts at this point will wipe out entire crops.

In the U.K. more rain has made soils extremely wet again and there are growing concerns that some of the crop will not be lifted. From the Midlands northwards there are still a few growers with “in excess of 500 acres” to lift, including those who had planned ex field lifting of late varieties for processing.

Nothing unnatural whatsoever about a wet year, it's just the weather being the weather, can you compare it with 1523 or 2023BC? No, so how can you come to any conclusion about its naturalness or not?

Also, the weather tends to balance itself out over time and distance, we needn't worry about a spud shortage just yet -


Despite the challenging weather conditions, initial yield estimates suggest a return to multi-year averages. The NEPG estimates that growers will harvest around 23 million tonnes of early and maincrop potatoes. This is 1.3 million tons more than in 2022 and equal to the 2021 production.

 

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Also, the weather tends to balance itself out over time and distance, we needn't worry about a spud shortage just yet -

Some do, especially in Ireland . . .


Growers are warning of a potato shortage as they say this year’s harvest is the “worst in living memory”.

The potato harvest is “rapidly turning into a salvage operation” as drills are underwater following recent flooding, the Irish Farmers’ Association has warned.

IFA national potato committee chairman Sean Ryan said that as it stands, “around 60% of crop remains to be harvested”.
“Sizeable losses have occurred already which are likely to substantially increase as we progress through the harvest,” Mr Ryan said.

Picture: Dan Linehan

“Met Éireann data shows some stations have already exceeded the average annual total rainfall and others close to it. Now that we are in November, we are in extremely difficult territory with this much crop left to be harvested.”

Mr Ryan said that the heavy rain has “washed most of the clay off the top of the drills” leaving the crop more prone to frost damage.

“A few hard frosts at this point will wipe out entire crops,” he added.

Supply concerns
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Denis O’Connor, who grows potatoes in East Cork, has said that growers in the area are “all in the same boat” and that if there isn’t some dry weather before Christmas, “it will be very serious”.



“If we could get two or three dry weeks, definitely it would improve things but there’s a pile of damage after being done already,” Mr O’Connor said.

“Even if we do get dry weather, there’s going to be a huge loss. If they were all harvested in good conditions, they were going to be scarce, never mind with all the losses now.”



Water-logged potatoes in a field in East Cork. Picture: Denis Linehan
Water-logged potatoes in a field in East Cork. Picture: Denis Linehan
Normally, Mr O’Connor said he would be finished harvesting by October 31, “but this year, we’ve three weeks of work ahead of us yet”.

“If we had them in store there would be no bother as you would just be bagging out but if we get dry weather in December now, we’ll have to be harvesting and trying to pack them out.”

He added that the costs of harvesting have increased significantly as well for growers this year, adding to the “hardship” of it all.
 

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eather unpredictability and above normal rainfall has made it a difficult year for the agricultural sector.


Most farmers were affected in some way or another and right now, potato growers are facing serious crop losses as waterlogged fields impede this year's harvest.


In a ten-hectare field just outside Enniscorthy, Co Wexford, potato grower Sean Ryan is assessing conditions.


As he walks between the drills, his boots squelch in three inches of water as this part of the potato field is waterlogged.


The drills, carefully prepared and planted back in the late spring are now soaked after months of rain that flows in rivulets between them.


It has been a challenging year, according to Mr Ryan.

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Sean Ryan said this year has been a challenge
He said: "We were probably five to six weeks later planting, and we got a lot of rain all summer as well.


"It was a struggle all year long, and then we'd thought we'd get a good end, a good harvest but it just did not happen."
 

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All record wet weather related



 

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Some do, especially in Ireland . . .


Growers are warning of a potato shortage as they say this year’s harvest is the “worst in living memory”.

The potato harvest is “rapidly turning into a salvage operation” as drills are underwater following recent flooding, the Irish Farmers’ Association has warned.

IFA national potato committee chairman Sean Ryan said that as it stands, “around 60% of crop remains to be harvested”.
“Sizeable losses have occurred already which are likely to substantially increase as we progress through the harvest,” Mr Ryan said.

Picture: Dan Linehan

“Met Éireann data shows some stations have already exceeded the average annual total rainfall and others close to it. Now that we are in November, we are in extremely difficult territory with this much crop left to be harvested.”

Mr Ryan said that the heavy rain has “washed most of the clay off the top of the drills” leaving the crop more prone to frost damage.

“A few hard frosts at this point will wipe out entire crops,” he added.

Supply concerns
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Denis O’Connor, who grows potatoes in East Cork, has said that growers in the area are “all in the same boat” and that if there isn’t some dry weather before Christmas, “it will be very serious”.



“If we could get two or three dry weeks, definitely it would improve things but there’s a pile of damage after being done already,” Mr O’Connor said.

“Even if we do get dry weather, there’s going to be a huge loss. If they were all harvested in good conditions, they were going to be scarce, never mind with all the losses now.”



Water-logged potatoes in a field in East Cork. Picture: Denis Linehan
Water-logged potatoes in a field in East Cork. Picture: Denis Linehan
Normally, Mr O’Connor said he would be finished harvesting by October 31, “but this year, we’ve three weeks of work ahead of us yet”.

“If we had them in store there would be no bother as you would just be bagging out but if we get dry weather in December now, we’ll have to be harvesting and trying to pack them out.”

He added that the costs of harvesting have increased significantly as well for growers this year, adding to the “hardship” of it all.
But there are 1.2m tonnes more potatoes in Europe than last year. Have you ever known a farmer who's not worried about something?
 

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All record wet weather related



So what, it's a wet year. Ask the dairy farmers about May and June, they had a brilliant season for the silage harvest, probably the best in living memory in fact.
 

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So what, it's a wet year.
It's another wet year and it's impact is noted in the adverse, the minister's being asked to rescue tillage farming.
Of course it's not all bad and good for some as you say but there is a trend toward increased periods of rain.
Actually I remember discussing this exact same thing last year on P.ish - probably with you too:LOL:

From 2022 Title: Slow and difficult finish to costly potato harvest
There are still potatoes to be dug across the country and conditions are very wet, making grading and storage difficult.

Same as this year but this year it's worse.
 
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The Irish Grain Growers’ Group (IGGG) has said that there “is a growing sense of frustration and despair” among tillage farmers as poor weather continues to delay the harvest.
In a statement to AgriLand, the group said: “This bruising year and brutal harvest weather for tillage farmers must ignite a change of attitude to Irish grain.”
from 2020 https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/iggg-calls-on-support-for-irish-grain-in-brutal-harvest/

Tillage farmers are warning their crops have been severely impacted by poor weather throughout the year, which will result in a much reduced harvest for 2020.
Yields of some crops are back by as much as 30%, according to experts.
A drought earlier this year, which lasted for almost eight weeks, damaged many crops, as a result the growth pattern was affected.
From 2020 https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0906/1163481-tillage-weather-harvest/
 

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Fears of potato shortage as bad weather hits harvest

Updated / Tuesday, 22 Oct 2019 14:34



Automated harvesting machines are unable to lift all the crop due to wet conditions, leading to increased food waste

Automated harvesting machines are unable to lift all the crop due to wet conditions, leading to increased food waste

Experts are warning of possible shortages of Irish potatoes in the coming months due to extremely wet conditions.

Just 30% of the national potato crop has been harvested so far this year, with poor ground conditions making harvesting virtually impossible in some areas.

A leading expert in the national farm advisory service Teagasc has warned of "big big losses" if the current wet ground conditions do not improve.
 

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Fears of potato shortage as bad weather hits harvest

Updated / Tuesday, 22 Oct 2019 14:34



Automated harvesting machines are unable to lift all the crop due to wet conditions, leading to increased food waste

Automated harvesting machines are unable to lift all the crop due to wet conditions, leading to increased food waste

Experts are warning of possible shortages of Irish potatoes in the coming months due to extremely wet conditions.

Just 30% of the national potato crop has been harvested so far this year, with poor ground conditions making harvesting virtually impossible in some areas.

A leading expert in the national farm advisory service Teagasc has warned of "big big losses" if the current wet ground conditions do not improve.
These publications just love to be alarmist because that's what brings in the punters and there is nothing farmers like more than feeling that they are somehow a special case so the government should throw even more money at them. Naturally, the farming press panders to all this and they have pages to fill, so they send the nearest intern along to a field of puddles with a smartpone and hey presto, you have a story!

Every year there's a panic of some sort but farmers still go on farming.
 

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Just for a little balance -

As usual, grass silage quality varies greatly around the country. The feed value of this year’s silage has been significantly influenced by the weather, early May first-cuts are excellent, late May and early June cuts are average, and many second-cuts are bordering on being too dry and not great quality.

Note the words 'too dry'. Also bear in mind that our man Brian Reidy is a consultant who's business is advising on feeding dairy cattle, if everything were perfect he'd be out of a job.

 
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It's another wet year and it's impact is noted in the adverse, the minister's being asked to rescue tillage farming.
Of course it's not all bad and good for some as you say but there is a trend toward increased periods of rain.
Actually I remember discussing this exact same thing last year on P.ish - probably with you too:LOL:

From 2022 Title: Slow and difficult finish to costly potato harvest
There are still potatoes to be dug across the country and conditions are very wet, making grading and storage difficult.

Same as this year but this year it's worse.

Could be El Nino's effect on the Jet Stream channeling systems of low pressure towards us. The ocean has been very warm this year so there was a lot of evaporation and heat in the system. The met heads don't say this specifically in their deep dives but could be why. Here's some information (warning: digression).





Note: they often caution of a possibility of frost in country areas so acknowledge the heat island effect in urban areas.
 

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