Andrew Gold Tackles The Taboo Topic Of Race Realism

[Haven]

Race: The Power of an Illusion

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The information derived from the Human Genome Project, an international effort to decode the information embedded in the human genome, will revolutionize the practice of medicine in the 21st century by providing the tools to determine the hereditary component of virtually all diseases. This will...

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[Haven]

Argument? With you? How is that possible?

Through debate.

Which you consistently fail to do.

 

[The Equalizer]

Through debate.

Which you consistently fail to do.

I told you, that's not what you do.

How does racism exist if races don't?

Why did you post a video of Dawkins saying that race is a biological reality when you say that race has no "biological backing". Are you saying that Dawkins is wrong?

Why do you deny race exists using the existence of race as your argument?

I mean, I could go on..

 

[Haven]

I told you, that's not what you do.

How does racism exist if races don't?

Why did you post a video of Dawkins saying that race is a biological reality when you say that race has no "biological backing". Are you saying that Dawkins is wrong?

Why do you deny race exists using the existence of race as your argument?

I mean, I could go on..

Race exists in the same way that God exists; we dreamt it up.

Race exists in much the same way Batman, Adam and Eve, or Santa Claus does.

When you say "Why do you deny race exists using the existence of race as your argument?", thats much the same as someone saying "Why do you deny God exists using the existence of God as your argument?"

"How does racism exist if races don't?" becomes "How does religion exist if God doesnt?".

 

[The Equalizer]

Race exists in the same way that God exists; we dreamt it up.

Race exists in much the same way Batman, Adam and Eve, or Santa Claus does.

When you say "Why do you deny race exists using the existence of race as your argument?", thats much the same as someone saying "Why do you deny God exists using the existence of God as your argument?"

"How does racism exist if races don't?" becomes "How does religion exist if God doesnt?".

"While there is visible clustering in human populations, there are no discrete boundaries and significant overlap exists, meaning many individuals may be more genetically similar to members of other races [<- things that don't exist] than to some members of their own [<- thing that doesn't exist]."

 

[Haven]

"While there is visible clustering in human populations, there are no discrete boundaries and significant overlap exists, meaning many individuals may be more genetically similar to members of other races [<- things that don't exist] than to some members of their own [<- thing that doesn't exist]."

You did read my previous comment?

 

[The Equalizer]

You did read my previous comment?

Haven, I realise that you're mentally retarded but you can't argue for the non-existence of race.. with the existence of race.

Do you understand?

 

[Roc_]

This is going nowhere. Jambo appears to be invoking Linnaeus and the views his work gave rise to long ago. Whereas Haven in essence appears to be attempting to communicate that Linnaeus's classification system was superseded (because it relied on artificial physical traits rather than evolutionary history - it was replaced by phylogenetic systematic, driven by Darwinian evolution and genetic data, etc.)

 

[Roc_]

... Linnaeus and the views his work gave rise to long ago...

Here is the 1972 study that lead to the upturning of racial categorisations:

The Apportionment of Human Diversity

"... about 85% of human genetic variation occurs within local populations, while only a small fraction separates traditional racial groups.."

Key Findings of the Study

• • Within Populations (85%): The vast majority of genetic variation is found among individuals living within the same local population.
  • Between Populations, Within Races (8%): Additional variation exists among different populations grouped inside the same traditional race.
  • Between Races (6% to 7%): Only a minor fraction of overall human genetic variation differentiates standard racial categories.

Scientific and Social Impact

• • Taxonomic Significance: Traditional racial classification has virtually no genetic or taxonomic significance for the human species.

 

[The Equalizer]

And the whole idea, Blabbermouthing about commonality, we're such a uniform species or whatever is prima facie stupid when it comes to race. Race is about difference

 

[Haven]

Haven, I realise that you're mentally retarded but you can't argue for the non-existence of race.. with the existence of race.

Do you understand?

Does God exist?

 

[Roc_]

Just read the study I posted Jambo, see if you can approach even a basic apprehension of what people are trying to explain to you.

 

[The Equalizer]

Just read the study I posted Jambo, see if you can approach even a basic apprehension of what people are trying to explain to you.

I don't read any study you post, you're an idiot. And you're insane.

 

[The Equalizer]

And the whole idea, Blabbermouthing about commonality, we're such a uniform species or whatever is prima facie stupid when it comes to race. Race is about difference

So, in order to attempt to not pass the laugh test.. The race denier must not be a Category 1 race denier. Like @Haven is (and @Roc_ has reverted to)..

The race denier (in order to pass the laugh test) must accept that race is a biological reality.. and then spin their yarn.

 

[Roc_]

... Dawkins saying that race is a biological reality ...

Again, why are you incapable of grasping the nuance (it is hardly even a nuance, it is glaring, it is in fact central), that race is not biologically meaningful.

How on earth is it that you are completely unable to grasp that your old racial theories are not able to account for the facts any longer?

E.g. "Two people from Ethiopia and Namibia will be more different to each other at a genetic level than either one of them is to a white European".

If a theory is not able to account for the known facts any longer, like the above fact (and your theory has been unable to account for such facts since the advent of the science of molecular genetics), then what do you do with that theory?

Answer, you discard it, Jambo.

Like the rest of the civilised and educated world did long ago.

 

[The Equalizer]

Again, why are you incapable of grasping the nuance (it is hardly even a nuance, it is glaring, it is in fact central), that race is not biologically meaningful.

What does that mean?!

How on earth is it that you are completely unable to grasp that your old racial theories are not able to account for the facts?

E.g. "Two people from Ethiopia and Namibia will be more different to each other at a genetic level than either one of them is to a white European".

If a theory is not able to account for the known facts any longer, like the above fact (and your theory has been unable to account for such facts since the advent of the science of molecular genetics), then what do you do with that theory?

Answer, you discard it, Jambo.

Like the rest of the civilised and educated world did long ago.

 

[Roc_]

Read the study Jambo.

 

[The Equalizer]

#blabbermouth

 

[The Equalizer]

Read the study Jambo.

No, explain it in your own words, Blabbermouth, what does -

"Race is not biologically meaningful."

Mean?

 

[Roc_]

No, explain it in your own words, Blabbermouth, what does -

"Race is not biologically meaningful."

Mean?

It means that your racial categories are very weak proxies for genetic diversity.

When Linnaeus put forward these categories based on visual differences, they were strong proxies.

But when you move from visual differences to biological differences you are dealing with very weak proxies.

Your categories may be visually meaningful (in the manner of Linnaeus), but they are not biologically meaningful.

A twelve year old could understand this, Jambo

 

[Roc_]

Take again for illustration:

"Two people from Ethiopia and Namibia will be more different to each other at a genetic level than either one of them is to a white European".

Visually, your racial categorisation/theory works well enough.

Biologically, your racial categorisation/theory fails.

 

[The Equalizer]

It means that your racial categories are very weak proxies for genetic diversity.

When Linnaeus put forward these categories based on visual differences, they were strong proxies.

But when you move from visual differences to biological differences you are dealing with very weak proxies.

Your categories may be visually meaningful (in the manner of Linnaeus), but they are not biologically meaningful.

A twelve year old could understand this, Jambo

Race is a biological reality. How is that not "meaningful"?

All you can do is fall back on the notion that that reality is only skin deep.

Show us your proof..

 

[Roc_]

Oh ffs. If you actually wanted to try and understand this you easily could understand it. But you just don't want to understand it.

You're some gimp.

 

[The Equalizer]

You and the other race denier are an embarrassment to yourselves

Wiping the floor with race deniers is so easy. No one needs to be a geneticist or a biologist

 

[Haven]

So, in order to attempt to not pass the laugh test.. The race denier must not be a Category 1 race denier. Like @Haven is (and @Roc_ has reverted to)..

The race denier (in order to pass the laugh test) must accept that race is a biological reality.. and then spin their yarn.

Does Santa Claus exist?

 

[Haven]

Visually, your racial categorisation/theory works well enough.

Sort of.

The visual blending is pronounced as you go across the 'Stans to China, for example.

 

[Just Think]

You and the other race denier are an embarrassment to yourselves

Wiping the floor with race deniers is so easy. No one needs to be a geneticist or a biologist

You continue to follow The Bunny down his/her rabbit hole.
Why do you do this, you're as bad as that twat.

 

[The Equalizer]

Does Santa Claus exist?

No.

Why do you ask?

Sort of.

The visual blending is pronounced as you go across the 'Stans to China, for example.

I think it's pretty clear that your mainstay argument (for why races don't exist) is the fuzzy, or blurry, boundary argument.

Equally as stupid as all the rest of them.

 

[The Equalizer]

You continue to follow The Bunny down his/her rabbit hole.
Why do you do this, you're as bad as that twat.

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Am I?

Honestly, I don't like echo chambers. Quite a few people here are terribly upset if someone disagrees with them and so would wish to see them banished. I'm different, I think Yum Yum.

 

[Haven]

No.

Why do you ask?

You are saying this thing doesn't exist and I'm going to use it, the thing that doesn't exist, to show that it doesn't exist.

 

[The Equalizer]

You are saying this thing doesn't exist and I'm going to use it, the thing that doesn't exist, to show that it doesn't exist.

What on Earth are you talking about, imbecile?

 

[Roc_]

You're a sad and pathetic case, Jambo. A "win" apparently being just repeating and repeating some stupid catchcry oblivious to anything said? You're an absolutely tragic case. Really your existence has zero point to it.

 

[Just Think]

The Bunny is real busy this evening.
It must be how he/she became a multi-millionaire in the Middle East.

 

[Agobard Admirer]

Race: The Power of an Illusion

The Human Genome Project. Revealing the shared inheritance of all humankind - PubMed

The information derived from the Human Genome Project, an international effort to decode the information embedded in the human genome, will revolutionize the practice of medicine in the 21st century by providing the tools to determine the hereditary component of virtually all diseases. This will...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Most of the arguments used to deny the group personalities of races can be used also to deny the existence of personality on an individual level.

 

[Haven]

What on Earth are you talking about, imbecile?

You are saying this thing doesn't exist and I'm going to use it, the thing that doesn't exist, to show that it doesn't exist.

Honestly, its like shooting fish in a barrel at this point. It doesnt feel fair anymore.

 

[Haven]

Most of the arguments used to deny the group personalities of races can be used also to deny the existence of personality on an individual level.

Please explain.

 

[Just Think]

@Declan
If you're stuck for moderators I'll give it a shot for a bit.
The trolling and baiting here is making a show of the place.
I'll be fair, but I'll end the bullshit.

 

[The Equalizer]

You're a sad and pathetic case, Jambo. A "win" apparently being just repeating and repeating some stupid catchcry oblivious to anything said? You're an absolutely tragic case. Really your existence has zero point to it.

Nope.

I do things by measure.

Once it's established that race is a biological reality, which it is, then I move on to the spiel i.e. Category 2 race denialism..

 

[The Equalizer]

The Bunny is real busy this evening.
It must be how he/she became a multi-millionaire in the Middle East.

Because I pointed out that he used the existence of race in his argument against the existence of race.. He's now asking me about the non-existence of Santa Claus

Poor @Haven, he's just not that bright.

 

[Haven]

Because I pointed out that he used the existence of race in his argument against the existence of race.. He's now asking me about the non-existence of Santa Claus

Poor @Haven, he's just not that bright.

I asked you about the existsnce of God and drew a blank.

I thought Santa was more in your intellectual range and would get a a response. I was right!