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Patriotism isn't defined by hatred of scapegoats but by love of country. A citizen is a trained patriot. It is distinguished by knowledge, discipline and duty. If you want to perfect patriotism then nurture citizenship. That is what was done during the Irish Renaissance, and what brought us success in the Irish Revolution - it strengthened our arms and calmed our peace.

Our revolution was preceded by the American Revolution, where the decades prior to the Declaration of Independence saw the development of the contours of citizenship from the confines of subjection. Just as a marine is of a different quality to a goon so a citizen is of a different quality to a subject.

Ireland is a nation state. If this has changed then I suggest that the government inform us. There is no reason to be ashamed of our heritage and no genuine reason for us not to continue to work for its continuance.
That gobbledygook did not work out too good for The Wampanoag Patriots though.
 

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Yes. I expect ZERO Irish in Ireland by 2113. Ninert years from now.

Do you think this is deliberate? It wasn't in the program for government. Has anyone seriously asked them? We'll see then if they deflect or respond. What would be the characteristics of such a policy of neo-colonialism? Let's see if matches their behaviour. It's a very serious claim which deserves a very serious treatment.

There could be another reason for runaway immigration - it suits the short term interests of the conglomeration of groups that developed over the past 30 years. They all make a buck from it and it has, by now, amassed such an institutional size that no individual thinks that it is possible or desirable to reduce it.

There are other examples of this which I think is called the engineer's curse. The Soviet Union was very fond of embarking on enormous projects - take the Virgin Lands Campaign by Khrushchev.

The operational capacity of the scheme increased to such a size (the formation of manpower, machinery, supplies, political investment etc.) that new, ever more ambitious projects were undertaken to feed the machine rather than with a view to their viability. The destruction of the Aral sea was one result.

It not only dried up an abundant ecosystem but also changed the weather from maritime to arid, hurled millions of tons of salt into the air which poisoned land for hundreds of kilometers around, devastated the local economies, reduced Soviet protein rations, and caused chronic health conditions for millions of people.

The whole campaign was finally judged a serious misallocation of resources and hamstrung the USSR in the Cold War. It also led to the assumption to power of a moribund politburo.

Another, recent example, is in China and the rise of ghost cities. Here, too, there are massive projects undertaken to occupy mobilised resources rather than to produce productive value. The Belt and Road initiative in Sri Lanka has examples of this as well.

It could be that the migration issue could be an instance of this in the West. It is beyond the mental horizon of the average politician and they're just riding the wave. The steps necessary to mitigate it are not considered politically possible and measures to stop its evolution weren't taken when costs were feasible. The destruction of Libya didn't help so there are a lot of people spooked by the responsibility of their past mistakes who encouraged an institutional framework to conceal them.

It's the same for those migrants that find themselves here. It's pointless to harangue the migrants themselves - what can they do about it? Wouldn't you parade around in a cashmere coat on the telly looking for sympathy if you were given the chance?

What we can do is push the government into managing the problems that arise from this influx and to appoint competent people to lead the response. That would calm the public and better serve the migrants.

The first action would be to put a pause on extra-continental undifferentiated migration for a couple of years until we get our heads around what the implication of large influxes of people has had on the country.

We've had a number of school children and a staff member stabbed - drastic action has to be taken. This incident was a very close call and a very serious one. It will only get worse if papered over.
 

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@tldr why else would the absolute dregs of humanity be allowed Rock up to Ireland for free accommodation ? Even toerags who have been in the black economy for over a decade in the UK are sliming in through Belfast and crossing the border on foot into Donegal in the dead of night
 

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Absolutely. Although the likes of Leo may not even be able to figure out what is going on. He is handed the memo and that is the policy.

So you think Varadkar is the political equivalent of this:


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Saying something like that might get you arrested in the near future if you ever come back to Ireland.
 

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Is that homosexual looking chap on the drums your buddy in Helsinki

In fairness, it's a good tune. Not Mowl if that's the implication. That's more like the old you though. You've mellowed a bit.
 

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There could be another reason for runaway immigration - it suits the short term interests of the conglomeration of groups that developed over the past 30 years. They all make a buck from it and it has, by now, amassed such an institutional size that no individual thinks that it is possible or desirable to reduce it.
This too is rubbish and is pushed here in the US to the stupid.

Democrats are told rich people want cheap labor.
Republicans are told that democrats want new voters.

Both are nonsense of course. The invader is to dilute and then kill off the native. And the invader returns home or dies off in places like Ireland or Sweden as soon as the money stops.

And bingo, the objective, an empty nature park. A giant Safari Park.
 

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In fairness, it's a good tune. Not Mowl if that's the implication. That's more like the old you though. You've mellowed a bit.
After my visit to Leixlip and learned the situation, I lost interest and moved on
 

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After my visit to Leixlip and learned the situation, I lost interest and moved on

Leixlip has changed a lot but for the better in large part. Intel are very invested into it. It was more out west I thought you'd find yourself. You might turn up on a Skellig one of these days, you never know. Anyway, you're in your element over there and I wish you the best.
 

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