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I'll let you deal with it.
So far today he's claimed I'm Charlottesweb, Coal Gas & Peat and some fellow called James.
Quite funny when ya look at it.😎
Actually, it was Val who asked if you were James.
Does anyone know if Wolfe is James of old?
But then again it only proves your complete inability to differentiate between posters.
 

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How busy is it?
Too busy, with six times more Injury claims being reported than pre-covid times.
There'd be more but there's an increase of death rates of up to 46% in some regions, they won't be claiming so the realistic figure Is'nt really known at the moment because the six fold increase is acounted for in only 26 out of 146 countries but as an indicator of how big the problem of adversity is . . . .

. . . . LONDON, March 31 (Reuters) - The COVID-19 pandemic led to a nearly six-fold increase in the number of non-fault compensation schemes for vaccine injuries globally, said Oxford University researchers who on Friday made public an online database tracking the schemes. . . .

. . . The next phase of research will assess whether people are using the schemes, but it was clear from the project's initial phase how difficult it can be to find information about some of them, the team said.

The draft pandemic treaty which is being negotiated by World Health Organization member states calls for a global compensation scheme for vaccine injuries.

 

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So please tell us more of the "effective immune response" which you introduced?
So by now we will be up to date on the old questions, we've been through it all at least twice in the last week so there's not much need to rehash it again but if there are any further questions @Russkiy Mir do ask, no problem.

Now then shall we start looking at the question above that you've seemed reluctant to deal with?
It's to do with a person's immune response, apparently the jabs have had a very limited beneficial effect if any at all at this stage.
Why do you think that could be?
 

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That's not much considering the vast scale of the covid vaccine rollout, compared to anything before it. Its surprisingly low.

Indeed: "Regulators globally have shown that COVID-19 vaccines are safe and adverse events are extremely rare."
But as previously explained, those figures are only from 26 out of 146 countries - We still haven't got the full picture but we do have definite proven information that the jabs have caused huge damage which questions their stated benefit and the endorsements of their continued use, correct you'll agree?

No, regulators have stated "that COVID-19 vaccines are safe and adverse events are extremely rare." but that's clearly false in many cases as shown by the evidence of this thread.

Covid Jabs are a Russian roulette. Now you try telling the people of Waterford that "That's not much" with a rise in death rate of 46% - "Surprisingly Low"
 

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That's not much considering the vast scale of the covid vaccine rollout, compared to anything before it. Its surprisingly low.

Indeed: "Regulators globally have shown that COVID-19 vaccines are safe and adverse events are extremely rare."
Au contraire, I'd say it is remarkably high, as to report an injury is to admit that one was foolish enough to take an untested treatment in the first place, and people really don't like doing that.
 

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So, independent researchers in Ireland have announced that Donegal being the county with the lowest uptake of jabs has the

lowest increase in excess mortality while Waterford the county with the highest increase in excess mortality at 45.3% also had the

highest rate of jab uptake and to cap it all Waterford had the highest incidence of Covid infection!!



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTmEYCbM8nk
 

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Au contraire, I'd say it is remarkably high
Not only you but it's in the news too

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A sharp increase in excess deaths in Ireland in December 2022 resulted in the highest excess mortality rate in the Republic since the start of the Covid-19 pandemic almost three years ago, according to new EU figures.



The latest data on the extra number of recorded deaths above historical averages shows the State had the fourth-highest rate of excess mortality among the 27 EU member states in December.


The data revealed there were 25.4 per cent more deaths in the Republic in December compared to the average number of deaths for the same month each year between 2016 and 2019.

as to report an injury is to admit that one was foolish enough to take an untested treatment in the first place
But Mad as Fish, they have no choice in reporting, and if the did they would report it rather than being dead which is what many adversity cases have become. They weren't foolish, get a grip man!! They were assured and coerced did you forget too?

and people really don't like doing that.
We were threatened by lockdown imprisonment, fines, closures, sacking & unemployment, disparagement. not so much foolishness but fear then and fear now - Fear of speaking up Real fear of the liars Egghead, harass, and leo'na can you believe it?😣
 

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You still haven't answered them.
Are you sure about that? There are plenty of answers provided, Correct?
Perhaps not every specific aspect of you question has been satisfied however where there has been an absence of specific data instead there has been an alternative case specific substitute provided in -

1. infant mortality - In lieu of the canadian courts v police investigator I have provided industry source test data from the manufacturer & official deaths registrar - that being much more substantial to the general theme of SIDS

2. The Flu Vs Covid question you've mentioned has been left pure ambiguous on your behalf despite my constant requests for further clarification, that's your fault for being vague and careless in your inquiry, you must be able to do better.

3. You'll and we'll all find further answers to your questions in the other posted replies throughout the last 20 pages, it's all there afaic until you can be more specific with you question.

At the same time you have purposefully refused to contribute and cooperate on my question to you, instead providing a totally inadequate and unacceptable response of your choosing, why would that be?
You stated your insistence that you wanted answered questions and that has clearly been provided so now it appears there is another reason for your reluctance to engage. Will you explain why that is or will you keep us guessing?

Do ask if your needs be so, but please be clear and specific
 

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These have been thoroughly debunked, and no subsequent studies have shown this. In fact it has even been seen that unvaccinated expectant mothers have seen worse outcomes.
No and No they have not been debunked by qualified authorities, In fact my examples have been made very clear by manufacturer and highest official authorities whose function has be relied upon by government, industry and all people. No highrt authority exists.
You've demonstrated dubious partisan opinion at best concerning the issues raised.
Your reluctance to engage on more substantive issues is certainly noted again :geek:

This is entirely incorrect. I showed you how each virus was entirely distinct and different from the other. I also provided you with a primer on viruses in general. This is the opposite of ambiguous.
You showed studies which themselves stated their inconclusive findings which I pointed out to you to which you had no idea what was relevant within those documents, that uncertainty was truly compounded by your repeated issuance of an abstract graph which you totally failed to explain in any context, poor you.

Look, you had to show something more than just posting a link, right then, you posted some info, science graphs and cartoon drawings I posted 3X more extracted info with context and real images, live video of the immune system in operation in reply, big deal.
Now, what's missing for you?
Again noted, your attempt to dawdle on irrelevant minor details before the anticipated biggies arrive, yes?
 

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These have been thoroughly debunked, and no subsequent studies have shown this. In fact it has even been seen that unvaccinated expectant mothers have seen worse outcomes.


This is entirely incorrect. I showed you how each virus was entirely distinct and different from the other. I also provided you with a primer on viruses in general. This is the opposite of ambiguous.
Whenever I hear the word debunked I immediately think fact checkers, which of course are paid liars.
 

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Whenever I hear the word debunked I immediately think fact checkers, which of course are paid liars.
They're unqualified partisans who are also engaged in censorship and editing of the full facts of the matter, hence unreliable to the general public and certainly need proven verification to be considered credible and then - it's just a 3rd party opinion.
Those 2nd rate opinions is what @Russkiy Mir is basing the veracity of his🤡arguments on.
 

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I've seen studies produce recently on this thread which involve teams of scientist in a multitude of locations, funded to the fullest with all the top labs & equipment, data and test subjects, everything at their disposal in identifying the pathogens, understanding the infections, identifying the processes up to the DNA level and physically manipulating that viral DNA amazing.

They exhibit a mastery of understanding and then produce a substance which is presented as a mysterious Cure for a mysterious Disease called Covid-19 which when administered has little or no preventative or curing effect and is marketed as being Safe & Effective when now we know it is not safe or effective for a huge percentage of recipients, therefore we know the producers claims are false and bogus, therefore we can safely assume that the promoters of such substances are themselves false and bogus in their intention to convince the wider public and here on the boards - What else could be the alternative?
 

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They're unqualified partisans who are also engaged in censorship and editing of the full facts of the matter, hence unreliable to the general public and certainly need proven verification to be considered credible and then - it's just a 3rd party opinion.
Those 2nd rate opinions is what @Russkiy Mir is basing the veracity of his🤡arguments on.
In the early days of the web it was possible to hold insightful conversations with people who were reasonably intelligent and understood the unwritten, yet well established, rules of debate. Now we are daily faced by the sort of unashamed and quite deliberate ignorance exemplified by the CW sock. Doubtless they feel they are furthering whatever cause they are paid to promote, but, TBH, it hardens my desire to fight whatever stupidity they parade before us.
 

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@Mad as Fish As I understand that you've and others here had a long experience with the Poster/s in question? I myself am fairly new to the debate/dealing with difficult posters so it's taking time to truly know the levels and methods in operations. Admittedly I used to lurk a few years ago on Pish and remember that CW was tenacious in legal debate, reprimanding other posters when in fact CW was often just hanging on by a minor technicality but acting like it was the full authority🤨
It's not funny though when it comes to these life & death serious issues when they posters are promoting dangerous drugs without due care and qualification. We on the other hand fundamentally advise great caution for the best of humane reasons - Look up our sleeves - No profit or mandatory agenda.
 

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They have been debunked by all number of government and international agencies, independent studies and all sorts of research. Remember the vaccines have already been rolled out. So where is the proof of your assertion in the data? Its not enough to quote numbers. You have to conclusively show the numbers are significantly higher than would be expected.
It's gone beyond your 2nd rate partisan sources opinions, you've shown nothing relevant in your own terms on this threads last 20 pages. The numbers speak for themselves as derived from the pharma manufacturer, EU regulators and WHO who now recommend redress for Adversity , something both you and egghead fail to address - you both are lacking and whose information is inadequate and unacceptable for the positions you occupy "Safe and Effective" you are not.

The data is actually indicating unvaccinated expectant mothers have a higher risk profile and higher miscarriage rate
The industry data shows a wide variety of symptoms including death and serious side effects both on the foetus and breast feeding infants.
You've had it now.
 

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It's gone beyond your 2nd rate partisan sources opinions, you've shown nothing relevant in your own terms on this threads last 20 pages. The numbers speak for themselves as derived from the pharma manufacturer, EU regulators and WHO who now recommend redress for Adversity , something both you and egghead fail to address - you both are lacking and whose information is inadequate and unacceptable for the positions you occupy "Safe and Effective" you are not.


The industry data shows a wide variety of symptoms including death and serious side effects both on the foetus and breast feeding infants.
You've had it now.
Wasting your time with the attention seeking moron.👍
 

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Miscarriage occurs in up to one third of pregnancies.




 

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So where is the proof of your assertion in the data?



 

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Look, it's stuck in the same old argument it was making in 2020.
It's incapable of moving on from that, living proof of the mental damage done to these cultists by their cult leaders.
All it does now is to chase its tail around in circles squealing 'look at me, look at me'.

I've stuck it back on ignore at Declan's request and I suggest you and others here do the same.
Let it embarrass itself all it likes and @valamhic can rub its belly as it begs.
 

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You have to conclusively show the numbers are significantly higher than would be expected.
Your wannabe-status of authority on "Safe and Effective" is over. So says the Evidence



 

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Look, it's stuck in the same old argument it was making in 2020.
It's incapable of moving on from that, living proof of the mental damage done to these cultists by their cult leaders.
All it does now is to chase its tail around in circles squealing 'look at me, look at me'.

I've stuck it back on ignore at Declan's request and I suggest you and others here do the same.
Let it embarrass itself all it likes and @valamhic can rub its belly as it begs.
I agree fully. Sifting through the links and realising the destruction which is caused and encouraged by the likes of Russkiy Mir who is stuck on refute/debunk mode and in denial to the adversity - they have become reprehensible and almost sickening to discuss health issues with. I'm getting the feeling we are dealing with an individual whose mentality is akin to a Shipman or Letby POV who would deny harm regardless of any proof presented and still claim "Safe and Effective" from behind bars for life.

Yes, I'm ready to ignore it and move on to other stages of the discussion, the points are well proved by now.
Although I'm glad to have had the discussions as it enables one to do research, find proof which make a certain stronger case and learn more of the history and latest developments while showing up the flaws in the "Safe and Effective" theory.
Yes, let's try the Ignore button for a while👎
 

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I agree fully. Sifting through the links and realising the destruction which is caused and encouraged by the likes of Russkiy Mir who is stuck on refute/debunk mode and in denial to the adversity - they have become reprehensible and almost sickening to discuss health issues with. I'm getting the feeling we are dealing with an individual whose mentality is akin to a Shipman or Letby POV who would deny harm regardless of any proof presented and still claim "Safe and Effective" from behind bars for life.

Yes, I'm ready to ignore it and move on to other stages of the discussion, the points are well proved by now.
Although I'm glad to have had the discussions as it enables one to do research, find proof which make a certain stronger case and learn more of the history and latest developments while showing up the flaws in the "Safe and Effective" theory.
Yes, let's try the Ignore button for a while👎
Let it and @valamhic rub each others bellies, or whatever else they're into.
Mad people.
 

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Let it and @valamhic rub each others bellies, or whatever else they're into.
Mad people.
Yes - Val is a free agent to do what he see's appropriate. I can respect him taking the side of someone who receives abusive comments and especially as a moderator he has to have a fair play policy for all and can only take so much back chat in the public view so TBH I'm going to take a neutral view on this issue, though I am largely on your side in regard to Tank/tauri/russkiy however that poster imo has a function to perform on the site and I believe must be allowed to do as it does, we can learn how to develop better strategy in dealing with such. I know I need to brush up on getting a bit smarter for the role, and you too should benefit in perhaps trying a different approach because direct confrontation with abuse has a way of being a bit self defeating at times too.
Sometimes it wrecks the good work done, for sure.
We've all got to learn to make it better for ourselves and all who participate. Let's start with the Charlattan on Ignore for a week or two?😌
Peace to all on Sunday🌱
 

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Yes - Val is a free agent to do what he see's appropriate. I can respect him taking the side of someone who receives abusive comments and especially as a moderator he has to have a fair play policy for all and can only take so much back chat in the public view so TBH I'm going to take a neutral view on this issue, though I am largely on your side in regard to Tank/tauri/russkiy however that poster imo has a function to perform on the site and I believe must be allowed to do as it does, we can learn how to develop better strategy in dealing with such. I know I need to brush up on getting a bit smarter for the role, and you too should benefit in perhaps trying a different approach because direct confrontation with abuse has a way of being a bit self defeating at times too.
Sometimes it wrecks the good work done, for sure.
We've all got to learn to make it better for ourselves and all who participate. Let's start with the Charlattan on Ignore for a week or two?😌
Peace to all on Sunday🌱
Agreed.
We can all see from your posts containing proof of adverse reactions etc, some of them from the drug manufacturers themselves, that the troll is here to cause trouble and not engage in serious discussion at all.
This is the result of being a fully fledged member of the most toxic cult on the planet presently.
Hopefully it gets the mental health intervention it so obviously needs.
As you say, best to ignore it now, for it's own good as much as for ours.
Enjoy your Sunday.
W.
 

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@Mad as Fish As I understand that you've and others here had a long experience with the Poster/s in question? I myself am fairly new to the debate/dealing with difficult posters so it's taking time to truly know the levels and methods in operations. Admittedly I used to lurk a few years ago on Pish and remember that CW was tenacious in legal debate, reprimanding other posters when in fact CW was often just hanging on by a minor technicality but acting like it was the full authority🤨
It's not funny though when it comes to these life & death serious issues when they posters are promoting dangerous drugs without due care and qualification. We on the other hand fundamentally advise great caution for the best of humane reasons - Look up our sleeves - No profit or mandatory agenda.
I am strongly of the opinion that the CW/Tank/Risky sex handle is a front for an establishment team, quite who pays for it we will probably never know, but we must bear in mind that Schwab of the WEF has boasted of having 11,000 'influencers' out there and I should imagine its more a network rather than 11,000 individuals tucked away behind their own little wall of pizza boxes.

What I have noted is that they appear to have a veneer of competence in certain areas, as noted, CW loved his technical nit picking on the legal front and he applied exactly the same technique to the covid event. Yet one was left with the strong opinion it was a different person at the keyboard, one who could assemble the arguments in a manner that would convince the casual observer, yet drill deeper and that veneeer would usually prove somewhat thin, as you have so abley demonstrated on this thread.

I think we are looking at teams rather than individals, each with a codified style so the cracks between the individuals are less apparent. Interestingly, none of them engage with me directly as I have, on several occasions, shown them up as the liars and BS merchants that they are. Team orders methinks.

Keep up the good work, its great that that there is someone with the expertise to really blow these twats out of the water.
 
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Yes - Val is a free agent to do what he see's appropriate. I can respect him taking the side of someone who receives abusive comments and especially as a moderator he has to have a fair play policy for all and can only take so much back chat in the public view so TBH I'm going to take a neutral view on this issue, though I am largely on your side in regard to Tank/tauri/russkiy however that poster imo has a function to perform on the site and I believe must be allowed to do as it does, we can learn how to develop better strategy in dealing with such. I know I need to brush up on getting a bit smarter for the role, and you too should benefit in perhaps trying a different approach because direct confrontation with abuse has a way of being a bit self defeating at times too.
Sometimes it wrecks the good work done, for sure.
We've all got to learn to make it better for ourselves and all who participate. Let's start with the Charlattan on Ignore for a week or two?😌
Peace to all on Sunday🌱
I wouldn't like to see him banned as the more he posts, the more of a buck eejit he makes of himself. Russkiy is an egotistical clown. A moron.

Coming out with the amount of crap he posts, bear in mind the vitriol that was thrown at us during the Covid panic, then abuse will come his way. That's life.
 

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I wouldn't like to see him banned as the more he posts, the more of a buck eejit he makes of himself. Russkiy is an egotistical clown. A moron.

Coming out with the amount of crap he posts, bear in mind the vitriol that was thrown at us during the Covid panic, then abuse will come his way. That's life.
Join the boycott, stick the clown on ignore.👍
 

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@Mad as Fish As I understand that you've and others here had a long experience with the Poster/s in question? I myself am fairly new to the debate/dealing with difficult posters so it's taking time to truly know the levels and methods in operations. Admittedly I used to lurk a few years ago on Pish and remember that CW was tenacious in legal debate, reprimanding other posters when in fact CW was often just hanging on by a minor technicality but acting like it was the full authority🤨
It's not funny though when it comes to these life & death serious issues when they posters are promoting dangerous drugs without due care and qualification. We on the other hand fundamentally advise great caution for the best of humane reasons - Look up our sleeves - No profit or mandatory agenda.
Tank and CW don’t debate. They’re classic trolls.

You can tell they’re trolls as they don’t concede a single thing on any subject. There is clearly many quantifiable negatives associated with the Covid jabs and lockdowns etc…and yet they have to date never admitted to even a sniff of there being a single negative event associated with them.

Anyone claiming that the Covid Jabs and lockdowns were a monumental success is either taking the piss or monumentally deluded.

You’re wasting your time interacting with them.
 

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Tank and CW don’t debate. They’re classic trolls.

You can tell they’re trolls as they don’t concede a single thing on any subject. There is clearly many quantifiable negatives associated with the Covid jabs and lockdowns etc…and yet they have to date never admitted to even a sniff of there being a single negative event associated with them.

Anyone claiming that the Covid Jabs and lockdowns were a monumental success is either taking the piss or monumentally deluded.

You’re wasting your time interacting with them.
Join my boycott of the troll, have 4 on board already.
Stick it on ignore.
Let's send a message to @Declan, democracy in action.😎
 

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Wonderful, political strategy in action! "Why get mad - Get even!" Things are much better already🙏
PM every poster you know here so we can make this boycott work effectively.
We need the dregs gone from our site.
 

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PM every poster you know here so we can make this boycott work effectively.
Good Idea however the posters I interact with are a few, but I'm wlling to send a PM to one and all, state the case as is known and has already been explained very well by those here who are very familiar with the issues. Will be interesting to note the feedback.

We need the dregs gone from our site.
We need to get on with site improvements, more new posters who could feel comfortable and trust the site's activities is more of a priority.
The Dregs Gone? I suspect they're always close nearby, if one leaves another quickly jumps on board. Personally I'm OK with opposing dregs opinions which gives one an opportunity for a good mental workout and sparring session which maintains ones focus while discovering new angles and previously unknown features of them and people in general - how we all deal with situations and how things turn out in the longer term.

If winning strategies can be developed and implemented then perhaps Dregs will transform into agreeable members, at least harmonious with future threads/ideas/movements - That's a winning political power?
 

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Good Idea however the posters I interact with are a few, but I'm wlling to send a PM to one and all, state the case as is known and has already been explained very well by those here who are very familiar with the issues. Will be interesting to note the feedback.


We need to get on with site improvements, more new posters who could feel comfortable and trust the site's activities is more of a priority.
The Dregs Gone? I suspect they're always close nearby, if one leaves another quickly jumps on board. Personally I'm OK with opposing dregs opinions which gives one an opportunity for a good mental workout and sparring session which maintains ones focus while discovering new angles and previously unknown features of them and people in general - how we all deal with situations and how things turn out in the longer term.

If winning strategies can be developed and implemented then perhaps Dregs will transform into agreeable members, at least harmonious with future threads/ideas/movements - That's a winning political power?
Or
You could do what intelligent people do.
Listen to opposing arguments, take on board any new information they contain and reevaluate your own position to take account of any aspect of any debate which you had heretofore missed.
You can either nurture your thought process or take a stance at some point and refuse to budge from it regardless of any information presented to you.
 

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You could do what intelligent people do.
Listen to opposing arguments, take on board any new information they contain and reevaluate your own position to take account of any aspect of any debate which you had heretofore missed.
You can either nurture your thought process or take a stance at some point and refuse to budge from it regardless of any information presented to you.
The fucking irony in that....😂 😂 😂
Idiot.
 

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You could do what intelligent people do.
Great substance to your post, thanks.
Just had an additional thought, being that in place of the or it could be beneficial to have that as an And which gives credit to us all who strive to make it a better place. The And makes it more inclusive?
 

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Great substance to your post, thanks.
Just had an additional thought, being that in place of the or it could be beneficial to have that as an And which gives credit to us all who strive to make it a better place. The And makes it more inclusive?
Very true!
 

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