Origins Thread

[AN2]

Good thread here on why creationists conflate abiogenesis and evolution -


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/j3g7uz/why_do_creationists_always_try_to_say_that/

Here's an interesting comment -

But I think there's more than one reason someone might easily believe them to be the same thing. Many are taught that evolution is a threat to their entire religion as though "evolutionism" is some rival religion meant to replace Christianity. In there is lumped any threat to the particular dogma they've been convinced is the hill to die on. The big bang is evolution, star and planet formation is evolution etc.

Also when you convince people one very specific interpretation of the bible is utterly inerrant it only takes one little crack for the whole thing to look to be tumbling down. If the theory of evolution is true then parts of the bible you were told had to be absolutely literally true can't be. And many are convinced that if some parts aren't absolutely literally true then the whole thing must be false. It's not just that Adam and Eve did not literally exist. The origin of life, the basis for their moral code, the origin of the planet, the history of the universe, the meaning of life etc.

I hadn't thought of that, and yes, someone like @Tiger is a literalist (believes that Muhammad flew to heaven on a winged horse and so on) and thinks of atheism as a religion. Some religious people are profoundly anti-science, they have to be

 

[Tiger]

James, why are you having an autistic style conversation with yourself?

Do you find abiogenesis embarrassing to talk about or something?

 

[AN2]

James, why are you having an autistic style conversation with yourself?

Do you find abiogenesis embarrassing to talk about or something?

At this stage I'm more or less just psychoanalyzing you (debate with you is essentially impossible)

So you actually think that I would be "embarrassed" to talk about abiogenesis, because it's something that's not fully understood? Fascinating

 

[Tiger]

At this stage I'm more or less just psychoanalyzing you (debate with you is essentially impossible)

It’s coming across as nutty and desperate.

So you actually think that I would be "embarrassed" to talk about abiogenesis, because it's something that's not fully understood? Fascinating

Yes

 

[AN2]

Yes

Well, you're wrong

It doesn't cause me any embarrassment whatsoever

 

[AN2]

Yes

I'll psychoanalyze this thusly:

You think atheism/evolution/science is my "religion" (opposed to yours), so I should be embarrassed if it doesn't have all the answers, a sort of projection of yourself

 

[Wolf]

Interesting. Please supply a screenshot.

So extremely high chance I wrote it, whiich of course I did.

Thanks dude.

'dude'.....

 

[Haven]

'dude'.....

 

[Tiger]

I'll psychoanalyze this thusly:

You think atheism/evolution/science is my "religion" (opposed to yours), so I should be embarrassed if it doesn't have all the answers, a sort of projection of yourself

Stop embarrassing yourself James.

Stop spamming the thread too.

 

[AN2]

Stop embarrassing yourself James.

Stop spamming the thread too.

I'm doing neither. Stop lying

PS. Oh, the irony

 

[AN2]

Stop embarrassing yourself James.

Stop spamming the thread too.

So can you explain why you think that I should be "embarrassed" to talk about abiogenesis, or you just going to dodge as per usual?

 

[Tiger]

Firstly, you acted like it was embarrassing in the way you were posting about it and secondly it’s obvious that someone who thinks life magically started itself somehow, would be embarrassed that they can’t offer up any kind of satisfactory explanation as to how lifeless matter transformed into the first living cell.

 

[AN2]

James, genuine question…have you been drinking? You’re literally going back to where we were over an hour ago.

Yes, the imaginary, magical beginning of life from non-life event - known as ‘abiogenesis’ is a different part of the atheist fantasy of how we got here, from the developmentally magical fantasy known as evolution.

I mean, paragraphs like the above truly astound me. Abiogenesis is "magical" but the creationist (God of the gaps) origin of life, isn't?

Evolution (a scientific fact and a scientific theory) is also "magical", yet the first humans (Adam and Eve) popping into existence, isn't? (Also note: "from the")

If creationists are good for producing one thing, it's irony

 

[AN2]

Firstly, you acted like it was embarrassing in the way you were posting about it

How did I do that?

and secondly it’s obvious that someone who thinks life magically started itself somehow, would be embarrassed that they can’t offer up any kind of satisfactory explanation as to how lifeless matter transformed into the first living cell.

I don't believe in "magic"

Neither you nor I are a biochemist but what's so "magic" about living matter arising from non-living? How much of you do you do you think is living? Is the carbon in your body alive?

 

[Haven]

Firstly, you acted like it was embarrassing in the way you were posting about it and secondly it’s obvious that someone who thinks life magically started itself somehow, would be embarrassed that they can’t offer up any kind of satisfactory explanation as to how lifeless matter transformed into the first living cell.

Classic.

God of the gaps - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Tiger]

Classic.

God of the gaps - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

*yawn

The AUL knee jerk God of the gaps retort. It’s like a comfort blanket for evolutionists.

The problem is, they’re not so much as gaps as giant abysses. Calling them gaps conveniently ignores that evolution has no mechanism to bridge these vast chasms, from lifeless chemistry to coded functional life.

 

[AN2]

How did I do that?


I don't believe in "magic"

Neither you nor I are a biochemist but what's so "magic" about living matter arising from non-living? How much of you do you do you think is living? Is the carbon in your body alive?

 

[AN2]

*yawn

The AUL knee jerk God of the gaps retort. It’s like a comfort blanket for evolutionists.

The problem is, they’re not so much as gaps as giant abysses. Calling them gaps conveniently ignores that evolution has no mechanism to bridge these vast chasms, from lifeless chemistry to coded functional life.

This is such a monstrosity of a post AKA a Tiger post

I suppose I should let @Haven have first dibs (because after I'm finished with it there'll be nothing left)

 

[Tiger]

This is such a monstrosity of a post AKA a Tiger post

I suppose I should let @Haven have first dibs (because after I'm finished with it there'll be nothing left)

Haha, James ‘tiny Willy’ Dawson is about to tell us all how lifeless matter transformed into the first living cell.

Gather around everyone

Tenner bet his reply doesn’t involve solving the problem and is just mindless guff.

 

[AN2]

Haha, James ‘tiny Willy’ Dawson

I find it really lame how you (and Woof) copy Mowl

is about to tell us all how lifeless matter transformed into the first living cell.

Gather around everyone

Tenner bet his reply doesn’t involve solving the problem and is just mindless guff.

 

[Tiger]

How did I do that?


I don't believe in "magic"

Neither you nor I are a biochemist but what's so "magic" about living matter arising from non-living? How much of you do you do you think is living? Is the carbon in your body alive?

It’s mad that you think this hopeless response demands reply. It doesn’t. You’ve said nothing as usual.

Ignoring your now disbelief in ‘magic’, can you tell us more about the emergence of functional, information-rich, self replicating systems?

 

[Tiger]

I find it really lame how you (and Woof) copy Mowl

Do I get my tenner now?

 

[AN2]

It’s mad that you think this hopeless response demands reply. It doesn’t. You’ve said nothing as usual.

More hand-waving - entirely predictable

Ignoring your now disbelief in ‘magic’, can you tell us more about the emergence of functional, information-rich, self replicating systems?

 

[Tiger]

More hand-waving - entirely predictable

Ladies and gentlemen…. James ‘the question dodger’ Dawson strikes again!

 

[AN2]

Ladies and gentlemen…. James ‘the question dodger’ Dawson strikes again!

Your questions are answered and are stupid, repetitively so

 

[Tiger]

Your questions are answered and are stupid, repetitively so

Yes, so stupid that you can’t answer them…

Can you tell us about the emergence of functional, information-rich, self replicating systems from an evolutionary perspective, only using facts?

 

[AN2]

Good thread here on why creationists conflate abiogenesis and evolution -


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/j3g7uz/why_do_creationists_always_try_to_say_that/

Another excellent comment -

It's primarily used as a distraction tool.

The strategy for creationism is to instill doubt rather than formulate hypotheses or do experiments. It's seen as a victory for them if they can point to something where the answer is, "We don't know."

Since we have a lot of evidence for evolution but not abiogenesis, the latter is the preferred gish-gallop target.

 

[Tiger]

Apparently James’s enthusiasm to give me a black eye around the enormous abysses he and his gay pal - Tank call ‘gaps’ in evolution and abiogenesis, that he forgot to actually answer the question, so, here it is again:

Can you tell us about how lifeless matter transformed into the first living cell James?

 

[Tiger]

Another excellent comment -

It's primarily used as a distraction tool.

The strategy for creationism is to instill doubt rather than formulate hypotheses or do experiments. It's seen as a victory for them if they can point to something where the answer is, "We don't know."

Since we have a lot of evidence for evolution but not abiogenesis, the latter is the preferred gish-gallop target.

Yes James, in case you haven’t noticed, we’re awaiting your hypothesis about abiogenesis with bated breath… off you go…

 

[AN2]

Apparently James’s enthusiasm to give me a black eye around the enormous abysses he and his gay pal - Tank call ‘gaps’ in evolution and abiogenesis, that he forgot to actually answer the question, so, here it is again:

Gaps in evolution what are you blathering about? It's the same thing as always, isn't it. You're conflating abiogensis and evolution. God, you're so tiresome

Can you tell us about how lifeless matter transformed into the first living cell James?

QED

 

[AN2]

Gosh, I'd hate to be an IDiot.. ignorance, stupidity, obtuseness, mendacity, deceitfulness, no interest in the truth..

I just couldn't be one

 

[Tiger]

Gaps in evolution what are you blathering about? It's the same thing as always, isn't it. You're conflating abiogensis and evolution. God, you're so tiresome


QED

James ‘no debate’ Dawson Literally never says anything. Just yappy throwaway guff.

 

[Tiger]

Gosh, I'd hate to be an IDiot.. ignorance, stupidity, obtuseness, mendacity, deceitfulness, no interest in the truth..

I just couldn't be one

James ‘no debate’ Dawson Literally never says anything. Just yappy throwaway guff.

 

[AN2]

Gaps in evolution what are you blathering about?

James ‘no debate’ Dawson Literally never says anything. Just yappy throwaway guff.

Yep, handwaving again. Usual

 

[Tiger]

Yep, handwaving again. Usual

James ‘no debate’ Dawson Literally never says anything. Just yappy throwaway guff.

One of these days, surely he’ll have something to offer the debate. Surely.