The Earth is Global.

David has been banned said:
Yes, astrology is "historical" (and hysterical) it's been around for centuries.. And? That lends it credence? What are you trying to say, Love?
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I'd say in regard to Astrology one is best served by starting at the beginning and first acknowledging what things were like back then, what the people didn't have and what they did have in it's entirety. Take what you need from that but it is relevant to this thread in various respects.

We can consider the astrological constellations as relevant and helpful in defining a Global Earth, I'm not going into detail here now but suffice to say that there are two/three regions of the planet which make different and unique observations of those reference points in the sky. Those observations are helpful in determining the Globe.
 
David has been banned said:
I will leave you now with the words of the late Carl Sagan -


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iunr4B4wfDA

TLDW? -


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NjT89IduORs
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There's a lot in the first Vid, some of which confirms my own thoughts on the subject, but there's also much which is extremely off topic and quite irrelevant.
I like carl sagans manner and positive interest but he's relied on hoax graphic imagery to demonstrate some of his ideas on astronomy, I'm sure you'll agree?

The second Vid it's out of context because the student asking the question didn't even get to finish his question or sentence before Carl Sagan impetuously interrupted him with an inappropriate answer which has been edited, so we are left pondering a question & an answer presented totally out of context and without definite meaning.
But on occasion that seems to be your sort of thing, no? BTW no need to mention or refer to Horoscopes afaic, but may be appropriate⚡ on another thread subject☄️
 
David has been banned said:
A "subject"? Why would you describe astrology as a subject, as if bits of it are right and bits of it are wrong? Astrology is a hoax, h-o-a-x
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Look, you must learn to differentiate between Historical Astrology & Astrological constellations,
and Katie Kerry's tabloid Asstrology & Mystic Meg Horoscopes.
Two very different subjects.

David has been banned said:
"Hoax graphic imagery"? It was the 1970s
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Well from Greek & Roman times they did just grand with the naked eye 2000 years ago - No need for distracting made for TV programming ,is there?

David has been banned said:
Bullshit
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You've beeen programmed by a TV and cannot understand what precisely you're listening to, go back and listen carefully this time but first, remove the ear buds.
BTW, the clip is only 12 seconds long . . . it's certainly been edited.🧐

David has been banned said:
Of course horoscopes are relevant to astrology, would you ever look up what it (astrology) means, and stop confusing it with astronomy 🙄
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You're still ignoring what is relevant here. Horoscopes are for a different thread.
 
Professor said:
Here, give it another try, don't give up yet . . .
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So, back on topic, we are to concern ourselves with Navigation so we turn to the stars and take our measurements.

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How to Use an Astrolabe​

Finding Stars and Constellations in the Sky​

Step 1 Move the alidade onto the calendar date to get the zodiac date.

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Move the alidade onto the calendar date to get the zodiac date. Use either the current date or a future date that you want to know the star forecast for. Align the alidade with the date and find the corresponding zodiac date that it points to.[1]
  • The dates are found on the back of the astrolabe and are written around the circle.

Understanding the 5 Main Parts of an Astrolabe
Alidade: The rotating bar on the back of the astrolabe that measures altitude and is also used for determining zodiac dates
Mater: The base of the astrolabe that has the time written around the edge in Roman numerals
Latitude plates: Usually a set of 3 plates that contain the latitude lines for 20, 45, and 60 degrees north
Rete: A rotating plate that has a map of the night sky along with the path of the sun through the sky
Rule: The pointer on the front of the astrolabe[2]
www.wikihow.com

3 Ways to Use an Astrolabe - wikiHow

When you need to know what time it is, chances are you look at your phone. But before technology, people used an astrolabe, an ancient astronomical instrument that maps the night sky to determine facts like the hour of the day or when the...
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@Professor

Astrology is geocentric.

As for celestial navigation, you may be interested in another device that is geocentric, the Antikythera Mechanism. This device was designed to represent the perfect clockwork movement of the stars and planets as they move through the zodiac.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpLcnAIpVRA

Another navigational tool, the sextant, requires a flat earth (horizontal line) in order to measure elevation angles (because an angle cannot be measured if one of the lines is curved).

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWLZKmPU17M
 
PlunkettsGhost said:
The Kabbalah promotes the gnostic idea that the Earth is a material prison, something to be left behind and ascended away from. This was a strong motivator for the Space industry, which is soaked in occult symbolism and perpetuated by Freemasons, for the most part.
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Some currents in the Kabbalah certainly do promote such an ethos however some Kabbalah is "life affirming" to the point of what I would consider degenerate Hedonism (such as the No Nachs in today's Palestine- also the Jewish Rationalists in Eastern Europe were always condemning Hasidism for among other things causing drunkeness and encouraging dancing among Jews). I am not sure though that you find the Gnostic ascetic anti-Cosmic Kabbalah in Ireland. I will grant you that certainly in the past NASA was indeed soaked in Occult and/or Freemasonic stuff, I don't think anyone can dispute that.
 
David has been banned said:
It just gets worse for poor old astrology
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Not at all, so solid and reliable is Astrological tech that it works very well what ever view of the Earth is adopted be it Heliocentric or Geocentric it gets thing done which wouldn't happen without the aid of Modern Tech.
It's still Robust and Dependable Today 😊.
In addition there's nothing to stop Flat Earth believer from benefiting from it's use as indeed they would have years ago, which sort of opens up very interesting ideas of inquiry regarding Astrological Constellations . . .
 
I'm not interested in those cherry picked links, Astrological Constellations have stood the test of time and are relevant to the thread.
Look at these if you want.

www.formulaboats.com

How to Successfully Navigate the Ocean Using Stars

Learn how early navigators traversed the open ocean with these 7 steps. Read more here to learn how to navigate your vessel using the stars.
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challengedamerica.org

Which Constellation Help Sailors To Navigate At The Sea? - Challenge D America - Boating, Surfing Challenge

For centuries, sailors have been using the stars in the night sky to navigate their way across oceans and seas. By using constellations, sailors can orient
challengedamerica.org

thenauticalnomad.com

How to Identify Constellations While Sailing

Discover the wonder of stargazing while sailing and gain essential skills for navigation and appreciation of the natural world.
thenauticalnomad.com thenauticalnomad.com

While the zodiac may not be a great predictor of love, fortune, and health, it is a great tool for better understanding the motions of the sun, the Earth, and even the cultures that have come and gone on our little planet. The zodiac signs, derived from the constellations along the sun’s path in the sky, track the orbit and wobble of Earth and remind us of astronomy’s humble roots.

Bottom line: You might associate the word zodiac with astrology, but it has an honored place in astronomy, too. The zodiac is composed of the 12 constellations that lie along the annual path of the sun across the sky.
earthsky.org

| EarthSky

earthsky.org earthsky.org
 
Professor said:
While the zodiac may not be a great predictor of love, fortune, and health,
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It would have been a fantastic indicator of the above for say Spanish fishermen who used the stars to navigate NW of Ireland to the best fishing grounds which made them very wealthy which made them a very attractive catch to the feisty young maidens who fell in love and cooked the best food and who pleased their new husbands tremendously providing the happiest most joyous exercise all night long, keeping them all very fit and trim!😍🥰
 
David has been banned said:
That isn't why people read "their" horoscopes, what did yours say today? 🤔

If you want to make the point that constellations are proof of the shape of the Earth, then do so (not that that will make any difference to the flerfs, because nothing does)
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I don't read the Horoscopes, regarding them to be Asstrological.
But in regard to personal Astrology it's obvious that some people would be delighted with the real power of their planetary symbols which do have physical powers and so some predictions can be made accordingly in harmony with those astrological bodies - The Sun & Moon.
 
Professor said:
I don't read the Horoscopes, regarding them to be Asstrological.
But in regard to personal Astrology it's obvious that some people would be delighted with the real power of their planetary symbols which do have physical powers and so some predictions can be made accordingly in harmony with those astrological bodies - The Sun & Moon.
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I think we need to be careful about dismissing the idea of astronomical bodies, especially local ones, having any influence over life here on earth. The phases and orbit of the moon have been linked to all sorts of natural phenomena, not least of which is the menstrual cycle, turtles laying eggs and the orchestrating of coral reproduction.

Day length is also a great determiner of growth patterns, often more important that temperature, it is often the case in plants that day length will turn the growth machine on, the weather will then determine how fast it works.

Extending this connection to the prediction that Mr/Miss Right is going to walk into your life next Tuesday afternoon is stretching things a little too far, but I am certainly of the conviction that there is a fundamental mechanism, or mechanisms, within nature that we simply know nothing about. Some people call it God, I choose not to, but I still feel that there are forces at a play of which we are hardly aware, and those that do have some sense of them are simply dismissed as cranks or charlatans, and a proportion of them certainly will be.
 
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Mad as Fish said:
I think we need to be careful about dismissing the idea of astronomical bodies, especially local ones, having any influence over life here on earth. The phases and orbit of the moon have been linked to all sorts of natural phenomena, not least of which is the menstrual cycle, turtles laying eggs and the orchestrating of coral reproduction.

Day length is also a great determiner of growth patterns, often more important that temperature, it is often the case in plants that day length will turn the growth machine on, the weather will then determine how fast it works.

Extending this connection to the prediction that Mr/Miss right is going to walk into your life next Tuesday afternoon is stretching things a little too far, but I am certainly of the conviction that there is a fundamental mechanism, or mechanisms, within nature that we simply know nothing about. Some people call it God, I choose not to, but I still feel that there are forces at a play of which we are hardly aware, and those that do have some sense of them are simply dismissed as cranks or charlatans, and a proportion of them certainly will be.
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Everyone who thinks astrology is nonsense is because they don't know what astrology actually is. Anyone who studies their own birth chart and the charts of people they know will quickly realise the truth in astrology.
 
David has been banned said:
There aren't any astrological forces known to man. It, astrology, has no scientific basis
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Every generation of scientists think that they are cleverer than the last and have it all sewn up.

But the really clever ones know that they are only scratching at the surface.
 
Carl Sagan was an Intelligent / Charming / Interesting Man ~ ~ Obviously I am just saying this from what I have seen of him, on TV / Video.
 
David has been banned said:
So you agree that it's pseudoscience and you think that it's true. Interesting.
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Just because something is pseudoscience does not necessarily mean it's untrue. For example, psychology is pseudoscience but it still has some truth to it. Get ChatGPT to read your astrological birth chart and you might be surprised how accurately it describes you and your life.

David has been banned said:
Saying that someone knows nothing about X isn't usually meant as a compliment :)
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Take it whatever way you want. The fact is you know nothing about astrology, so whatever your opinion about it is worthless, that's all I'm pointing out.
 
Hermit said:
Just because something is pseudoscience does not necessarily mean it's untrue. For example, psychology is pseudoscience but it still has some truth to it. Get ChatGPT to read your astrological birth chart and you might be surprised how accurately it describes you and your life.


Take it whatever way you want. The fact is you know nothing about astrology, so whatever your opinion about it is worthless, that's all I'm pointing out.
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Interesting. You can give it your cart and it will interpret it? What's your take on Chinese astrology?
 
David has been banned said:
Is Chinese astrology different from uhh.. European astrology?

I honestly don't get this. Why does nonsense inconsistent with your own nonsense appeal? Like, why is someone like @Zipporah's Flint an Islamophile when every single Muslim disagrees with her (on a presumed profoundly fundamental question)? Strange.
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That is because you are dysfunctional in some way.
 
dropkickmejeebus said:
Interesting. You can give it your cart and it will interpret it?
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It can't read a full chart and synthesise everything into a proper reading, but you can ask it questions about all the placements in a chart. For example, you could ask it to "explain Mars in Pisces natal chart astrology" and it would give a few paragraphs explaining what that means. It's okay but very limited compared to what a human can interpret in a chart.

dropkickmejeebus said:
What's your take on Chinese astrology?
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I haven't looked into Chinese astrology, or Vedic (Indian) astrology, so I don't know too much about it. Western astrology is already such a massive subject by itself that I'd prefer to stick to that instead of trying to learn other systems.
 
Hermit said:
It can't read a full chart and synthesise everything into a proper reading, but you can ask it questions about all the placements in a chart. For example, you could ask it to "explain Mars in Pisces natal chart astrology" and it would give a few paragraphs explaining what that means. It's okay but very limited compared to what a human can interpret in a chart.


I haven't looked into Chinese astrology, or Vedic (Indian) astrology, so I don't know too much about it. Western astrology is already such a massive subject by itself that I'd prefer to stick to that instead of trying to learn other systems.
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I guess the question is, do they come up with the same conclusions, just by a different route?
 
David has been banned said:
I honestly think that you, Mad as a Tiger, are the most worthless poster on this site (and I'm including Cunt-Connolly and Wolf in that - so some achievement) mainly because you're so obnoxious
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Jolly good.

It could be worse, you could like me.
 
One of the most obvious indicators which shows to prove the Earth is global are the vast abundance of readily available existing images sourced from 1000's of high altitude cameras, go-pro's, telescopes, satellites & space stations from many years past.

In that same time we don't have any images of the flatness, the edge or the underneath - None😁
 
Mad as Fish said:
I guess the question is, do they come up with the same conclusions, just by a different route?
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Not really, kinda, it depends. If you asked a Western, Chinese and Indian astrologer the same question about a chart, they may or may not give similar answers/conclusions. The different astrological systems have different stories, metaphysics, archetypes. The signs have slightly different meanings etc. So the interpretations will differ.

Also, there are cultural/religious/racial differences and other personal biases through which every astrologer interprets a chart. For example, if you asked them what a chart says about someone's future marriage, the westerner might say one thing, but the Indian might say another because they have arranged marriages in their country.
 
Hermit said:
Just because something is pseudoscience does not necessarily mean it's untrue. For example, psychology is pseudoscience but it still has some truth to it. Get ChatGPT to read your astrological birth chart and you might be surprised how accurately it describes you and your life.
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Psychology is definitely not an exact science but does not necessarily make it a pseudo-science?
 
Zipporah's Flint said:
Psychology is definitely not an exact science but does not necessarily make it a pseudo-science?
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Psychology does not follow the scientific method, so to call it science makes it pseudoscience. While psychology does aim to be scientific in its approach, it's not empirical like natural science.

There is a debate about what is and isn't science known as the demarcation problem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demarcation_problem
 

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