To The Moon

[Hermit]

Let's see your proof.

Are you saying that it is not possible to have a gas pressure gradient in a container?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXnaVvgaYY8


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNYCdbDKOhA


Gas pressure formulas, e.g. PV = nRT, include V for volume, i.e. the volume of a container. How can you have volume without a container?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir64EcRkf5Q


Pressure Gradients in Natural Gas Reservoirs:

Pressure Gradients in Natural Gas Reservoirs

Abstract. Procedures for computing turbulent flow of gas in steady state near the well bore and a graphical method for predicting unsteady state laminar flow at distances from the well have been combined to compute pressure gradients in gas reservoirs.Methods are discussed for predicting single...

onepetro.org

Even FlatEarth.ws says you can have a gradient in a container:

In reality, the gas inside the container is also affected by gravity and will also have a pressure gradient, just like the gas outside.

pressure-gradient – FlatEarth.ws

flatearth.ws

 

[Zipporah's Flint]

In a vacuum, certainly.

But it certainly raised quite a lot of dust on ignition.

If it could be proven to you 100 per cent that the Earth is flat would that force you to give up atheism?

 

[valamhic]

In my places right now, there is 2 cylinders of oxygen, 2 of Propane, One of Acetylene another was stolen. 5 cylinders of domestic butane. One large air compressor and 2 mini compressors.

Dan should ban Hermit and Kangal from this thread and set up a gas thread for them.

 

[Declan]

In my places right now, there is 2 cylinders of oxygen, 2 of Propane, One of Acetylene another was stolen. 5 cylinders of domestic butane. One large air compressor and 2 mini compressors.

Dan should ban Hermit and Kangal from this thread and set up a gas thread for them.

That would be gas.

 

[Declan]

Sept of 2025. They are scheduled to do a flyby, dont hold your breath

 

[Zipporah's Flint]

SInce the Earth is round, thats a bit of a silly question.

I accept that it is very probably round however it is a thought experiment.

IF it was flat would that actually change anything for you do you think?

 

[valamhic]

Sept of 2025. They are scheduled to do a flyby, dont hold your breath

Pity we could not have a sensible discussion here but that's life. It will hardly be proved in out lifetime and I reckon no one cares a damn. The young of to day don't know men claimed they were on the moon and therefore don't care if that is true or false.

 

[Zipporah's Flint]

But I'm not sure why I'd jump from there to belief in a supernatural entity. And from there to a specific Catholic version.

I am not sure either but a lot of people believe that if the earth could shown to be flat rather than a globe that would prove that our existence is not accidental. It could be a case that a lot of the people who are militantly opposed to the flat earth model are so as part of their internal struggle to deny God's Existence at all costs.

I believe that Hermit is not a Catholic- and it is my understanding that the majority of Flat Earthers in Ireland are not Catholic either.

 

[Hermit]

Gravity is the reason why we have a gradient.

"Pressure gradients in the atmosphere are typically caused by air of different temperatures"
"Heating of the earth, which in turn heats the atmosphere, is responsible for the motions and movements of the air in the atmosphere."

"In reality, the gas inside the container is also affected by gravity and will also have a pressure gradient, just like the gas outside."

Thank you.

You claimed gas pressure is constant in a container and asked me to show proof of gas pressure gradient in a container, which I did. You were wrong, even FlatEarth.ws disagreed with your claim. Concede you were wrong.

If we have gravity, why is a container necessary?

"Pressure is caused by gas molecules hitting the walls of the container."

The molecules are in constant, random motion and frequently collide with each other and with the walls of a container. Because the molecules are in motion, a gas will expand to fill the container. Since density is defined to be the mass divided by the volume, density depends directly on the size of the container in which a fixed mass of gas is confined.

Gas Density

You simply measure volume. If I go outside, and mark out 1m by 1m by 1m with tape and sticks, I know thats 1 cubic metre of volume. I don't need a fully enclosed container.

Okay, go outside with your tape and sticks and measure a cubic metre of air, without a container, and measure the pressure of that cubic metre of air.

"The volume of a container is generally understood to be the capacity of the container; i.e., the amount of fluid (gas or liquid) that the container could hold, rather than the amount of space the container itself displaces."

"Volume is the measure of the 3-dimensional space occupied by matter, or enclosed by a surface, measured in cubic units."

"You can also measure the weight of a gas with a balloon or other container and a scale."

"Gases, unlike solids and liquids, have neither fixed volume nor shape. They are molded entirely by the container in which they are held."

 

[Hermit]

In my places right now, there is 2 cylinders of oxygen, 2 of Propane, One of Acetylene another was stolen. 5 cylinders of domestic butane. One large air compressor and 2 mini compressors.

Dan should ban Hermit and Kangal from this thread and set up a gas thread for them.

Val, I am trying to give you and others a better argument against the moon landing. I'm citing gas pressure physics, not my opinions. But instead of considering and evaluating what I've presented, and presenting your counter arguments if you disagree, you say I'm off my rocker, you try to backseat moderate the thread and appeal to daddy to get me thread banned.

 

[Hermit]

It is.

Unless an external force is applied. Like gravity.

So you can have a gas pressure gradient in a container?

 

[Hermit]

I never said you could not.

Great, so if you agree that a gas pressure gradient is possible in a container, then you also agree that a gas pressure gradient is possible if the atmosphere is inside a container. But that contradicts what you previously said:

If the atmosphere was inside a container, then air pressure and air density would be constant everywhere as you ascend.

 

[Professor]

I am not sure either but a lot of people believe that if the earth could shown to be flat rather than a globe that would prove that our existence is not accidental. It could be a case that a lot of the people who are militantly opposed to the flat earth model are so as part of their internal struggle to deny God's Existence at all costs.

I believe that Hermit is not a Catholic- and it is my understanding that the majority of Flat Earthers in Ireland are not Catholic either.

The thing is that it's easy to show that the Earth is flat these days (but yet the simple evidence is lacking)

In fact it should be as easy to show evidence of Gods existence especially in these days of great emerging changes . . .

We're all waiting for Gods influence to shine through (Miracles??)

 

[Hermit]

If the atmosphere was inside a container, then air pressure and air density would be constant everywhere as you ascend.

It would not be constant, because heat from the sun and heat generated by human activity affects the temperate of the air which affects the pressure.

"The most basic change in pressure is the twice daily rise and fall due to the heat from the sun."
"Heating of the earth, which in turn heats the atmosphere, is responsible for the motions and movements of the air in the atmosphere."

I think we can close this chapter and move on.

Fine, it has run its course, for now.

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

Any new Chinese fake moon videos? You'd imagine there would be a live feed going, solar powered given this historic event!?

 

[clarke-connolly]

Any new Chinese fake moon videos? You'd imagine there would be a live feed going, solar powered given this historic event!?

Some fella with a Jack-Hammer on the moon !

That's the first thing I would do if I got a few fellas on the moon = = Just to see if any locals would complain ! ! !

 

[valamhic]

Change 6 brings back 2 kg of lunar material. All 6 Apollos brought back 350 kg and average of 58kgs or 29 times as much. On the moon that is 10 kg weight and on re entry it is it 58kgs .

58 kgs to add to heat shield pressure of the lunar missions.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHEZ-5HPlxQ

 

[valamhic]

Any new Chinese fake moon videos? You'd imagine there would be a live feed going, solar powered given this historic event!?

There are a few real pictures but most videos are make privately.

 

[Declan]

you try to backseat moderate the thread and appeal to daddy to get me thread banned.

That will not happen til they land on the moon so you are going noplace any time soon, we are 56 years and counting since they supposedly circled the moon using slide rules for computing

 

[valamhic]

The way I look at it is on a percentage basis. One can be 100% certain they went and walked or 100% certain it was a hoax or some where in between. So one might be 43% sure they did and so 57% they did not. One test is did they do it again? but I feel that is not the best test. A test which would serve better is did any living thing go out side side earth's low orbit? Would they not venture half way to the moon or even go to it and circle it and return? That is how Apollo say they did it.

Never, not once, never ever ever did any living thing go beyond LEO. They might already know that it cannot be safely done, not in 50 million years of trying and they don't want to admit that.

 

[valamhic]

Apollo 8 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Val, do you need a researcher for your YT channel?

Because you don't know what the fuck you are talking about here.

Yes, you have the job. will put to you a few questions to answer.

1) Why did Niall Armstrong donate lunar rock to a museum which was fossilised wood?

‘Moon rock’ in museum is just petrified wood

The Dutch national museum said Thursday that one of its prized possessions, a rock supposedly brought back from the moon by U.S. astronauts, is just a piece of petrified wood.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Declan]

And why would he refuse to talk about what would have been the greatest achievement since Creation

 

[Tiger]

Someone is having a laugh

Do you notice Woody Harrelson is ALWAYS in these modern historical exposés? His father was involved in the Kennedy assassination, and he is a favorite of Oliver Stone in many of his biopics.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYiPAoaZjbI&t=1s

 

[Declan]

SpaceX targeting July 31 for launch of historic Polaris Dawn astronaut mission

It will be the second spaceflight for billionaire Jared Isaacman.

www.space.com

This could be good. Maybe the radiation will fry him

 

[valamhic]

SpaceX targeting July 31 for launch of historic Polaris Dawn astronaut mission

It will be the second spaceflight for billionaire Jared Isaacman.

www.space.com

This could be good. Maybe the radiation will fry him

I believe the definition of space should be changed to beyond low earth orbit. Now it is simply above the atmosphere, still protected from stelar and interstellar radiation. That is just glorified
airplane travel.

I believe that no one will ever know if they went to the moon. It will be a mystery for ever.

 

[Hermit]

I believe the definition of space should be changed to beyond low earth orbit. Now it is simply above the atmosphere

You're not up to date on the latest space pseudoscience - earth's atmosphere is now said to go beyond the moon:

Earth’s atmosphere stretches out to the Moon – and beyond

The outermost part of our planet’s atmosphere extends well beyond the lunar orbit – almost twice the distance to the Moon.

www.esa.int

 

[Hermit]

Candace Owens has entered the scene. She'll be a flat earther by the end of the year.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFsAEzjEsA8

 

[valamhic]

You're not up to date on the latest space pseudoscience - earth's atmosphere is now said to go beyond the moon:

Earth’s atmosphere stretches out to the Moon – and beyond

The outermost part of our planet’s atmosphere extends well beyond the lunar orbit – almost twice the distance to the Moon.

www.esa.int

Horse manure, you try living on the moon.

 

[Hermit]

Horse manure, you try living on the moon.

Yeah I know it's bullshit, that's what I called it pseudoscience.

Do you think earth's atmosphere ends at a certain line clearly dividing it with the space vacuum? Or do you think earth's atmosphere is a gas pressure gradient so the atmosphere extends into the vacuum of space without any physical barrier separating the atmosphere from the vacuum?

 

[Hermit]

Candace Owens has entered the scene. She'll be a flat earther by the end of the year.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFsAEzjEsA8

View: https://x.com/TheFlatEartherr/status/1808128397236720029

 

[Professor]

The thing about Moon Hoax Theory is that the idea of Hoax is just too much to believe these days, for a range of reasons but put simply & effectively - It's all too much effort to maintain the Fake performance.

Can you imagine how many scientists, astronauts, manufacturers, analysts, around the world have to be in on it in every minute detail - Faking all the evidence including moon rocks???

C'mon Maan!!

 

[jpc]

The thing about Moon Hoax Theory is that the idea of Hoax is just too much to believe these days, for a range of reasons but put simply & effectively - It's all too much effort to maintain the Fake performance.

Can you imagine how many scientists, astronauts, manufacturers, analysts, around the world have to be in on it in every minute detail - Faking all the evidence including moon rocks???

C'mon Maan!!

Or here's a mad thought.
People back then had the belief, optimistic, ability and confidence to actually do it and make it work.

 

[Declan]

That would indeed be mad.

i think that anyone that still believes we went to the moon really is resisting stepping into reality.

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

Wasn't there a recent successful landing recently? Where's all the modern video (solar powered) of the Moon with the Earth in the background?

 

[Professor]

Wasn't there a recent successful landing recently? Where's all the modern video (solar powered) of the Moon with the Earth in the background?

Agreed, that's the loose thread of sorts, there should be many different and sensational real views of the moon from various stages, after all we see so much live detail of the moon with our new 'Home Quality' backyard telescopes, so yeah - your skepticism and doubts are shared and are real concerns

 

[valamhic]

Does everyone agree hypergolic rockets emit frame and smoke when firing irrespective of where it is fired. In earths atmosphere and in the vacuum of space there has to be frame and smoke. Film of Apollo 15 and 17 ascent modules show neither

 

[Professor]

Does everyone agree hypergolic rockets emit frame and smoke when firing irrespective of where it is fired. In earths atmosphere and in the vacuum of space there has to be frame and smoke. Film of Apollo 15 and 17 ascent modules show neither

But they use different fuels which emit little visible light waves or smoke - think of camping gas - no smoke!
Cool flames are near invisible as are wood alcohol fires!!

 

[Hermit]

The thing about Moon Hoax Theory is that the idea of Hoax is just too much to believe these days, for a range of reasons but put simply & effectively - It's all too much effort to maintain the Fake performance.

Can you imagine how many scientists, astronauts, manufacturers, analysts, around the world have to be in on it in every minute detail - Faking all the evidence including moon rocks???

C'mon Maan!!

"I can't believe it, therefore it's not true" is a logical fallacy known as Argument from incredulity.

Argument from incredulity, also known as argument from personal incredulity, appeal to common sense, or the divine fallacy,[1] is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition must be false because it contradicts one's personal expectations or beliefs, or is difficult to imagine.

Argument from incredulity - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The argument from incredulity is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone decides that something did not happen or does not exist because they cannot personally understand the workings.

Argument from incredulity

The argument from incredulity is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone decides that something did not happen or does not exist because they cannot personally understand the workings.

rationalwiki.org

 

[valamhic]

But they use different fuels which emit little visible light waves or smoke - think of camping gas - no smoke!
Cool flames are near invisible as are wood alcohol fires!!

Totally and utterly wrong. Anyone else have a view. Google the various You Tube videos on hypergolic combustion.

 

[Hermit]

Drinking their piss again:

Dune-like spacesuit upgrade turns urine into drinking water

Scientists have developed a spacesuit upgrade that sounds like the stillsuit from Dune, as it lets the wearer turn urine into drinking water.

www.siliconrepublic.com